Hi Everyone.? Having just successfully built a QDX, with a QMX "on the way", I have a question for Hans and the Group.? The QRP-Labs radios are all fantastic, and Hans is a certified genius.? However, we all live in a very tumultuous world, and the very real possibility exists of our radios becoming useless from an EMP blast (whether man made or cosmic).
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I would love to build a transceiver, similar to the QMX, but instead of EMP susceptible integrated circuits, step back in time a bit and use vacuum tubes (valves).? A modern radio design utilizing low power tubes instead of ICs.? It would certainly be larger than what we have now, but I'll trade size for heavy duty reliability any day.?
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What do you think?
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Roger K1VB
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I think that you hugely underestimate how many tubes and crystals it would take to replicate the QMX's basic radio functions, even neglecting any of the computer-control interfaces, IQ outputs, etc..
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If you are concerned about EMP events knocking you off the air buy yourself an old Collins S-line or an FT-101 and have at it;? they have a great user interface, too.? Add a model 19 mechanical teleprinter to include RTTY capability.?
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73, Don N2VGU
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I second that!?
Roy? WA0YMH?
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On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 12:51?PM Donald S Brant Jr via <dsbrantjr= [email protected]> wrote: I think that you hugely underestimate how many tubes and crystals it would take to replicate the QMX's basic radio functions, even neglecting any of the computer-control interfaces, IQ outputs, etc..
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If you are concerned about EMP events knocking you off the air buy yourself an old Collins S-line or an FT-101 and have at it;? they have a great user interface, too.? Add a model 19 mechanical teleprinter to include RTTY capability.?
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I'd be more worried about my food and water supply than
playing Radio Rambo.
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EMP precautions ended up being simplified in the end to
simply disconnecting the antenna that gathers and feeds
the pulse to the equipment.
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And anyway, ham radio would probably be shut down for
some years until it's over just like WW2.
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Invest in some packets of seeds instead ;-)
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Buy yourself a WWII vintage valve transceiver set.? ?Three strong men can probably get it all up the stairs but the floor may give way.? ??
Remove and dump the contents of the chassis and replace them with a QMX+ and a UV-K5 both wrapped in tinfoil and the same for a couple of large battery packs.? Add a bottle of your favourite sprits and close up the cases ensuring an EMP proof seal ...? ? You now have the best of both worlds?
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How about just investing in a good old Boat Anchor radio. eBay would be a good place to start.
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On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 1:25?PM Roger Oppenheimer via <reodds= [email protected]> wrote: Hi Everyone.? Having just successfully built a QDX, with a QMX "on the way", I have a question for Hans and the Group.? The QRP-Labs radios are all fantastic, and Hans is a certified genius.? However, we all live in a very tumultuous world, and the very real possibility exists of our radios becoming useless from an EMP blast (whether man made or cosmic).
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I would love to build a transceiver, similar to the QMX, but instead of EMP susceptible integrated circuits, step back in time a bit and use vacuum tubes (valves).? A modern radio design utilizing low power tubes instead of ICs.? It would certainly be larger than what we have now, but I'll trade size for heavy duty reliability any day.?
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What do you think?
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73,
Roger K1VB
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Well mate ,,? with all that? EMP blast you 'd be? better off with lead line underwear so your essential parts don't become useless like the hypothetical? Semicoductor issue.
For? a? Prepper radio that could stand a Hiroshima level bomb? 7 km away ,? look up on of the myriad? 6T9 or? 12 AE 10 single tube? 7 W? valve transmitters that infest the internet.? You'd have to? coordinate the crystal frequencies with your other? doomsday preppers though.? you could? go for a? version of the? Taurus? 3362 based receiver (40 mtr version)? and have quality superhet Rx to match it? $26 as a kit from India? ( but where you get your latter filter xtals from is a worry as nobody sells filter sets these days ) that? could go in a little tin lined box with steel shielding outside .
Even if you are succumbing? to lethal doses of? Gamma radiation? ,as you pass out it will be a comforting thought that your glass and lead transceiver will be working long after you have passed on.? HOld that thought - Getting mains power for the Tx? after the Big one drops on you might be a bit of an ask.? Solar panels of course will be hit by your proposed EMP pulse.
Diplomacy sounds the best option but? cans of? baked beans and dried seeds in lead lined rappers are a back up.?
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Trust But Verify.
? Namely Verify that Donno is not doing the diplomacy by himself I think.? (as Sleepy Joe walks off the stage in to oblivion).?
Best? wishes in Prepperdom from Nz.
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Well I agree with original poster Roger K1VB
It would be wonderful to build an all-tube transceiver with SSB and CW capabilities; I'd love to do that. Just don't expect me to produce a kit for it! Or do it any time soon (not a trivial project!).?
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On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 12:58?AM Timothy Fidler via <engstr= [email protected]> wrote: Well mate ,,? with all that? EMP blast you 'd be? better off with lead line underwear so your essential parts don't become useless like the hypothetical? Semicoductor issue.
For? a? Prepper radio that could stand a Hiroshima level bomb? 7 km away ,? look up on of the myriad? 6T9 or? 12 AE 10 single tube? 7 W? valve transmitters that infest the internet.? You'd have to? coordinate the crystal frequencies with your other? doomsday preppers though.? you could? go for a? version of the? Taurus? 3362 based receiver (40 mtr version)? and have quality superhet Rx to match it? $26 as a kit from India? ( but where you get your latter filter xtals from is a worry as nobody sells filter sets these days ) that? could go in a little tin lined box with steel shielding outside .
Even if you are succumbing? to lethal doses of? Gamma radiation? ,as you pass out it will be a comforting thought that your glass and lead transceiver will be working long after you have passed on.? HOld that thought - Getting mains power for the Tx? after the Big one drops on you might be a bit of an ask.? Solar panels of course will be hit by your proposed EMP pulse.
Diplomacy sounds the best option but? cans of? baked beans and dried seeds in lead lined rappers are a back up.?
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Trust But Verify.
? Namely Verify that Donno is not doing the diplomacy by himself I think.? (as Sleepy Joe walks off the stage in to oblivion).?
Best? wishes in Prepperdom from Nz.
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From a guy named Oppenheimer - there must be a joke in there somewhere but I don't feel like digging it out.
"?very real possibility exists of our radios becoming useless from an EMP blast (whether man made or cosmic)."
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Hello Hans,
If you offer a rig based on QCX+ with a vacuum tube PA stage(let me call it QCX+T), I'd love to grab one (or two).
73 Wei
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On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 2:59?PM Hans Summers via <hans.summers= [email protected]> wrote: Well I agree with original poster Roger K1VB
It would be wonderful to build an all-tube transceiver with SSB and CW capabilities; I'd love to do that. Just don't expect me to produce a kit for it! Or do it any time soon (not a trivial project!).?
On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 12:58?AM Timothy Fidler via <engstr= [email protected]> wrote: Well mate ,,? with all that? EMP blast you 'd be? better off with lead line underwear so your essential parts don't become useless like the hypothetical? Semicoductor issue.
For? a? Prepper radio that could stand a Hiroshima level bomb? 7 km away ,? look up on of the myriad? 6T9 or? 12 AE 10 single tube? 7 W? valve transmitters that infest the internet.? You'd have to? coordinate the crystal frequencies with your other? doomsday preppers though.? you could? go for a? version of the? Taurus? 3362 based receiver (40 mtr version)? and have quality superhet Rx to match it? $26 as a kit from India? ( but where you get your latter filter xtals from is a worry as nobody sells filter sets these days ) that? could go in a little tin lined box with steel shielding outside .
Even if you are succumbing? to lethal doses of? Gamma radiation? ,as you pass out it will be a comforting thought that your glass and lead transceiver will be working long after you have passed on.? HOld that thought - Getting mains power for the Tx? after the Big one drops on you might be a bit of an ask.? Solar panels of course will be hit by your proposed EMP pulse.
Diplomacy sounds the best option but? cans of? baked beans and dried seeds in lead lined rappers are a back up.?
?
Trust But Verify.
? Namely Verify that Donno is not doing the diplomacy by himself I think.? (as Sleepy Joe walks off the stage in to oblivion).?
Best? wishes in Prepperdom from Nz.
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Forgetting the potential malady you mention, if you wish to construct a valve set it can be as simple as a regen receiver mated to a xtal controlled transmitter. Oh we also need to add a high voltage power supply. Reasonable maybe to homebrew this paraset like transceiver but not a decent business case to mass produce them in 2024. Oh one could also homebrew a solid state equivalent, okay without the virtue mentioned. There was a nice run by kd1jv of Para80set kits, a blast to operate.?
curt
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Re-read Neville Shutz' "On the Beach."
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Curt, that kit was commissioned by me.? I was going to Paris and wanted to see if I could make a contact with England using modern versions of ww2 equipment.? ?So I had Steve design a rig that we later sold a nice run of.? It came out at the exact samtime as the similar Bayou Jumper from 4sqrp.? ?Several of their members thought we copied them, but it just wasn't true.? ?I never heard of their? rig until I? got back from Paris.? Oh, by the way I made 3 or 4 qsos to England from Jardin de Luxembourg park in central Paris.? And I got away from detection by the DF units, lol
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At least the seed has been planted... :D
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On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 10:59 PM, Hans Summers wrote:
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Well I agree with original poster Roger K1VB
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It would be wonderful to build an all-tube transceiver with SSB and CW capabilities; I'd love to do that. Just don't expect me to produce a kit for it! Or do it any time soon (not a trivial project!).?
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for a no semiconductor? 7 watt-ish single valve transmitter.? Makes the spares situation easier.? Of course the PSU is not on board.
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?why do I have do all the running around ahead of this predicted N -war. It's just not fair.?
Someone else? can design the receiver and someone else the pushbike gear powered generator.. I'm all poopsed out in the fingers already.
The? 12AE10 also works well in this cct.??
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? ?shows a version on a PCB? board base.? page down until you find it.
I do have a schematic around somewhere?
Here's a terrible Tcvr design with a Weenie output? - not? 7 W.
https://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=389656
Got 12 battery? power - need 500 V at? 100 mA for this post bmb event ?? Here you go make sure all the mosfets have plenty of lead plating over them, kin readiness for the BIG ONE .? PS? Thermionic? valves don't work well in this? cct.? Funny that.
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The CCT is free to air . The designer? created it for fun for his GRC -9 in France .? It runs at? 400 Hz? to minimise component size just as per an aircraft PSU design.
Don't short purchase? the design.? build precisely as shown with HSpeed? diodes and no substitutes and? you will not have magic smoke problems.?
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12 AE 10 compactron Beam P tube is a possible replacement? for the? 6T9.
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110 V to? 240 V small step up transformers for isolation are readily available for US and Canadian builders on Ebay at about 20- 25 USD a pop for something that will handle about? 30 VA load.? ?What you use as a modulation transformer (if AM mode is desired ) is your business. you may well have to wind your own on a scrap core that will handle say? 10 VA -ie make it oversized? to improve linearity.?
The Amphone? reference has some nice build photos. beyond? the schematic.?
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Heck, I have a venerable old Yaesu FT-101 up in my office. It has a weird audio gain problem I don't know how to diagnose, much less fix. The mechanical stuff I manage to take care of, like replacing the planetary gearbox for the main tuning vernier, and the funky thing used for the preselector. I found new/old stock replacements on eBay and figured out how to install them, and it was working great, until this problem cropped up.
If I leave it on for a fairly?long time, a minimum of an hour, at some point the audio just falls to half its original volume. The receive audio amp seems to be the only part affected -- transmitting has no issue, for example. If I turn it off and let it cool down, the audio is back to?normal. I'm thinking there's either a capacitor that's going leaky when it heats up, or maybe a tube is going. Doing a retube and recap job on the thing scares the ever-lovin' pee-waddins out of me, but I'll either do it, find someone to do it, or junk it if it isn't worth fixing. Thing is, I really love the FT-101. It's the radio I fell in love with in the 70's, when a CB operator friend got one that had been modded for 11 meters. He had a massive Moonraker 6 antenna on a tower in addition to a Starduster vertical. (I tried to talk him into using the Anixter Mark V sleeve antenna, but even though his partner worked for Anixter, he just couldn't warm to it. So *I* got the Anixter Mark V -- his partner got me one for a song -- and we put it on the garage roof. It was the single best CB antenna I ever had, with gallons?of gain.)
That FT-101 just screamed RADIO!!!?to me, and I dearly loved visiting them and using that radio. Was it illegal? Yup. Did I care? Not much, no. But when I got a chance to buy one for a pretty darned good price, I jumped at it. I had just gotten my Extra, and was excited and wanted to give myself a gift. Except for this one weird trick it insists on doing, it's a great radio. But right now, it's sitting up in my office, waiting for me to learn how to fix it. I'm not sure I'm ever going to get there, though. I may have to ask someone else to help me with it.
I had an ancient WWII receiver that reputedly was a Navy unit from either a ship or a plane. I'm thinking ship, but only because the plane would have to be a monster to haul this thing around. It was 80 or so pounds, and that's only the receiver. I never got my hands on the transmitter. The biggest issue I have with that memory is that I don't know what make and model it was. I've looked at hundreds, maybe thousands of pictures, and can't find it. That radio got me into SWL, like the Yaesu FT-101EE my friend had. (Mine is just an FT-101. No E, no EE, no Z. Just an FT-101.) I used to go to sleep listening to classical music from a dozen different countries. I learned to love the BBC, Voice of America, and others. I adored a local AM station, WQXR, that was relatively close to where we lived on Long Island. It moved to FM a while back, and is now available via streaming. They've even got an app, which I have. The music is still wonderful.?
But that's a bit of my history with those old radios, and even if I'm not going to gut an old "parts only" radio and build a QCX+?or QMX+?into it, and a Baofeng or something for VHF/UHF, the memories of what those radios meant to me when I was young are still sweet.
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Sounds like old lit is to me. That¡¯s where I would start.
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Heck, I have a venerable old Yaesu FT-101 up in my office. It has a weird audio gain problem I don't know how to diagnose, much less fix. The mechanical stuff I manage to take care of, like replacing the planetary gearbox for the main tuning vernier, and the funky thing used for the preselector. I found new/old stock replacements on eBay and figured out how to install them, and it was working great, until this problem cropped up.
If I leave it on for a fairly?long time, a minimum of an hour, at some point the audio just falls to half its original volume. The receive audio amp seems to be the only part affected -- transmitting has no issue, for example. If I turn it off and let it cool down, the audio is back to?normal. I'm thinking there's either a capacitor that's going leaky when it heats up, or maybe a tube is going. Doing a retube and recap job on the thing scares the ever-lovin' pee-waddins out of me, but I'll either do it, find someone to do it, or junk it if it isn't worth fixing. Thing is, I really love the FT-101. It's the radio I fell in love with in the 70's, when a CB operator friend got one that had been modded for 11 meters. He had a massive Moonraker 6 antenna on a tower in addition to a Starduster vertical. (I tried to talk him into using the Anixter Mark V sleeve antenna, but even though his partner worked for Anixter, he just couldn't warm to it. So *I* got the Anixter Mark V -- his partner got me one for a song -- and we put it on the garage roof. It was the single best CB antenna I ever had, with gallons?of gain.)
That FT-101 just screamed RADIO!!!?to me, and I dearly loved visiting them and using that radio. Was it illegal? Yup. Did I care? Not much, no. But when I got a chance to buy one for a pretty darned good price, I jumped at it. I had just gotten my Extra, and was excited and wanted to give myself a gift. Except for this one weird trick it insists on doing, it's a great radio. But right now, it's sitting up in my office, waiting for me to learn how to fix it. I'm not sure I'm ever going to get there, though. I may have to ask someone else to help me with it.
I had an ancient WWII receiver that reputedly was a Navy unit from either a ship or a plane. I'm thinking ship, but only because the plane would have to be a monster to haul this thing around. It was 80 or so pounds, and that's only the receiver. I never got my hands on the transmitter. The biggest issue I have with that memory is that I don't know what make and model it was. I've looked at hundreds, maybe thousands of pictures, and can't find it. That radio got me into SWL, like the Yaesu FT-101EE my friend had. (Mine is just an FT-101. No E, no EE, no Z. Just an FT-101.) I used to go to sleep listening to classical music from a dozen different countries. I learned to love the BBC, Voice of America, and others. I adored a local AM station, WQXR, that was relatively close to where we lived on Long Island. It moved to FM a while back, and is now available via streaming. They've even got an app, which I have. The music is still wonderful.?
But that's a bit of my history with those old radios, and even if I'm not going to gut an old "parts only" radio and build a QCX+?or QMX+?into it, and a Baofeng or something for VHF/UHF, the memories of what those radios meant to me when I was young are still sweet.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 73, Gwen, NG3P
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I recapped and replaced out of spec. Carbon composition resistors and it brought it back to like new. If it has paper tubular caps they should go also.
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Heck, I have a venerable old Yaesu FT-101 up in my office. It has a weird audio gain problem I don't know how to diagnose, much less fix. The mechanical stuff I manage to take care of, like replacing the planetary gearbox for the main tuning vernier, and the funky thing used for the preselector. I found new/old stock replacements on eBay and figured out how to install them, and it was working great, until this problem cropped up.
If I leave it on for a fairly?long time, a minimum of an hour, at some point the audio just falls to half its original volume. The receive audio amp seems to be the only part affected -- transmitting has no issue, for example. If I turn it off and let it cool down, the audio is back to?normal. I'm thinking there's either a capacitor that's going leaky when it heats up, or maybe a tube is going. Doing a retube and recap job on the thing scares the ever-lovin' pee-waddins out of me, but I'll either do it, find someone to do it, or junk it if it isn't worth fixing. Thing is, I really love the FT-101. It's the radio I fell in love with in the 70's, when a CB operator friend got one that had been modded for 11 meters. He had a massive Moonraker 6 antenna on a tower in addition to a Starduster vertical. (I tried to talk him into using the Anixter Mark V sleeve antenna, but even though his partner worked for Anixter, he just couldn't warm to it. So *I* got the Anixter Mark V -- his partner got me one for a song -- and we put it on the garage roof. It was the single best CB antenna I ever had, with gallons?of gain.)
That FT-101 just screamed RADIO!!!?to me, and I dearly loved visiting them and using that radio. Was it illegal? Yup. Did I care? Not much, no. But when I got a chance to buy one for a pretty darned good price, I jumped at it. I had just gotten my Extra, and was excited and wanted to give myself a gift. Except for this one weird trick it insists on doing, it's a great radio. But right now, it's sitting up in my office, waiting for me to learn how to fix it. I'm not sure I'm ever going to get there, though. I may have to ask someone else to help me with it.
I had an ancient WWII receiver that reputedly was a Navy unit from either a ship or a plane. I'm thinking ship, but only because the plane would have to be a monster to haul this thing around. It was 80 or so pounds, and that's only the receiver. I never got my hands on the transmitter. The biggest issue I have with that memory is that I don't know what make and model it was. I've looked at hundreds, maybe thousands of pictures, and can't find it. That radio got me into SWL, like the Yaesu FT-101EE my friend had. (Mine is just an FT-101. No E, no EE, no Z. Just an FT-101.) I used to go to sleep listening to classical music from a dozen different countries. I learned to love the BBC, Voice of America, and others. I adored a local AM station, WQXR, that was relatively close to where we lived on Long Island. It moved to FM a while back, and is now available via streaming. They've even got an app, which I have. The music is still wonderful.?
But that's a bit of my history with those old radios, and even if I'm not going to gut an old "parts only" radio and build a QCX+?or QMX+?into it, and a Baofeng or something for VHF/UHF, the memories of what those radios meant to me when I was young are still sweet.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 73, Gwen, NG3P
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Make a nozzle for a hair dryer and then when the rig is cold try heating up various components until the audio acts up.
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On Jul 24, 2024, at 11:45, Gwen Patton via < ardrhi@...> wrote:
Heck, I have a venerable old Yaesu FT-101 up in my office. It has a weird audio gain problem I don't know how to diagnose, much less fix. The mechanical stuff I manage to take care of, like replacing the planetary gearbox for the main tuning vernier, and the funky thing used for the preselector. I found new/old stock replacements on eBay and figured out how to install them, and it was working great, until this problem cropped up.
If I leave it on for a fairly?long time, a minimum of an hour, at some point the audio just falls to half its original volume. The receive audio amp seems to be the only part affected -- transmitting has no issue, for example. If I turn it off and let it cool down, the audio is back to?normal. I'm thinking there's either a capacitor that's going leaky when it heats up, or maybe a tube is going. Doing a retube and recap job on the thing scares the ever-lovin' pee-waddins out of me, but I'll either do it, find someone to do it, or junk it if it isn't worth fixing. Thing is, I really love the FT-101. It's the radio I fell in love with in the 70's, when a CB operator friend got one that had been modded for 11 meters. He had a massive Moonraker 6 antenna on a tower in addition to a Starduster vertical. (I tried to talk him into using the Anixter Mark V sleeve antenna, but even though his partner worked for Anixter, he just couldn't warm to it. So *I* got the Anixter Mark V -- his partner got me one for a song -- and we put it on the garage roof. It was the single best CB antenna I ever had, with gallons?of gain.)
That FT-101 just screamed RADIO!!!?to me, and I dearly loved visiting them and using that radio. Was it illegal? Yup. Did I care? Not much, no. But when I got a chance to buy one for a pretty darned good price, I jumped at it. I had just gotten my Extra, and was excited and wanted to give myself a gift. Except for this one weird trick it insists on doing, it's a great radio. But right now, it's sitting up in my office, waiting for me to learn how to fix it. I'm not sure I'm ever going to get there, though. I may have to ask someone else to help me with it.
I had an ancient WWII receiver that reputedly was a Navy unit from either a ship or a plane. I'm thinking ship, but only because the plane would have to be a monster to haul this thing around. It was 80 or so pounds, and that's only the receiver. I never got my hands on the transmitter. The biggest issue I have with that memory is that I don't know what make and model it was. I've looked at hundreds, maybe thousands of pictures, and can't find it. That radio got me into SWL, like the Yaesu FT-101EE my friend had. (Mine is just an FT-101. No E, no EE, no Z. Just an FT-101.) I used to go to sleep listening to classical music from a dozen different countries. I learned to love the BBC, Voice of America, and others. I adored a local AM station, WQXR, that was relatively close to where we lived on Long Island. It moved to FM a while back, and is now available via streaming. They've even got an app, which I have. The music is still wonderful.?
But that's a bit of my history with those old radios, and even if I'm not going to gut an old "parts only" radio and build a QCX+?or QMX+?into it, and a Baofeng or something for VHF/UHF, the memories of what those radios meant to me when I was young are still sweet.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 73, Gwen, NG3P
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