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QMX+ with internal GPS


 

I can’t get my QMX+ to connect to the gps. I have the setting for QMX-internal. The jumper is set option 2 for the battery. The clock is on. Real time clock set to QMX+ RTC
Hardware test for GPS view shows “ No Data”
I’ve let it run for well over a hour several times

I’ve removed and inspected all the gps connections all look good.?

I’ve also tried a factory reset still no connection.?

Is the gps antenna the same on the clock and U3S units, I have three other QRP Labs GPS on those. If they are the same I could test the antenna. ?

Thank you
Larry NA0F

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Hi Larry,

make sure your GPS jumper is not shorted to the GPS SMD connector. You can see it looking at the side of the board. Mine works fine, but I am jumpered to VDD. Your jumper needs to be very flat to not accidentally short to the SMD connector. As far as I know, those GPS antennas are all similar, so feel free to try another. Stick it on a cookie sheet if you want better performance.

Good Luck,
‘Gregg W7GRM


 

Gregg I checked the jumper it was good, I had mine to VDD to start then moved it hoping it may make a different.?
I’ll try the cookie sheet then an other antenna.??

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 7:21 PM Gregg Myers via <gregg.w7grm=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Larry,

make sure your GPS jumper is not shorted to the GPS SMD connector. You can see it looking at the side of the board. Mine works fine, but I am jumpered to VDD. Your jumper needs to be very flat to not accidentally short to the SMD connector. As far as I know, those GPS antennas are all similar, so feel free to try another. Stick it on a cookie sheet if you want better performance.

Good Luck,
‘Gregg W7GRM


 

Hi Larry,

FWIW, mine is not on a cookie sheet, but in a window sill. But I know the cookie sheet helps a lot. Technically, they do much better on a cookie sheet.

Hopefully, you get it working.

73,’骋谤别驳驳


 

Now that I think of it, check the ground and power supply connections on the top of the GPS board and see if you can confirm solid connections.

73, Gregg


 

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 08:25 PM, Larry Christensen wrote:
I’ll try the cookie sheet then an other antenna.??
Actually the 4 inch steel octagon cover of an electrical box is almost the perfect size for a GPS ground plane and works well for me.
73, Don N2VGU


 

May not be your problem, but I ran into the same issue. Powered via the QMX+.

Tried another antenna? - worked fine.

Reconnected the one from the GPS option kit, and discovered I hadn't screwed it fully onto the SMA connector. DOH ...

Greg


On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 7:43 PM, Larry Christensen
<larryna0f@...> wrote:

I can’t get my QMX+ to connect to the gps. I have the setting for QMX-internal. The jumper is set option 2 for the battery. The clock is on. Real time clock set to QMX+ RTC
Hardware test for GPS view shows “ No Data”
I’ve let it run for well over a hour several times

I’ve removed and inspected all the gps connections all look good.?

I’ve also tried a factory reset still no connection.?

Is the gps antenna the same on the clock and U3S units, I have three other QRP Labs GPS on those. If they are the same I could test the antenna. ?

Thank you
Larry NA0F

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Update.?
I took the QMX+ back to the shack and removed the gps and reheated the solider joint on the module and the main board. No change. After reassembling everything and powering it back with the gps installed I noticed both my QRP Labs clocks with gos had lost much of their display. I unplugged the gps on the QMX+ and both clock displays returned to normal. It is acting like the gps in the QMX+ is acting as a transmitter not a receiver and is blocking to other two GPS receivers. I’m guessing the gps module is defective.?
PS ?
I did switch gps antenna it worked fine on the clock so that’s not the problem.?

I’m open for ideas ????? ?


On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 7:42 PM Greg McCain via <gamccain50=[email protected]> wrote:
May not be your problem, but I ran into the same issue. Powered via the QMX+.

Tried another antenna? - worked fine.

Reconnected the one from the GPS option kit, and discovered I hadn't screwed it fully onto the SMA connector. DOH ...

Greg


On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 7:43 PM, Larry Christensen
<larryna0f@...> wrote:

I can’t get my QMX+ to connect to the gps. I have the setting for QMX-internal. The jumper is set option 2 for the battery. The clock is on. Real time clock set to QMX+ RTC
Hardware test for GPS view shows “ No Data”
I’ve let it run for well over a hour several times

I’ve removed and inspected all the gps connections all look good.?

I’ve also tried a factory reset still no connection.?

Is the gps antenna the same on the clock and U3S units, I have three other QRP Labs GPS on those. If they are the same I could test the antenna. ?

Thank you
Larry NA0F

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Larry,

That does sound like your GPS unit is defective. If you have an appropriate USB to serial cable , you could check it out stand-alone on just a PC. The pinouts are easy enough, but you need to make sure you power it with 3.3v and not 5v (I think I remember it as 3.3v). I have connected several GPS units to my PC in just this way and the data is just serial text streams you could see in a terminal window. But you would need that cable to test it. There isn’t much you could do to repair it if it were defective anyway, so I’m not sure it would be worth it if you didn’t already have the necessary cable.

Sorry I don’t have any better ideas.

73, Gregg W7GRM


 

On 08/07/2024 03:09, Larry Christensen via groups.io wrote:
I unplugged the gps on the QMX+ and both clock displays returned to normal. It is acting like the gps in the QMX+ is acting as a transmitter not a receiver and is blocking to other two GPS receivers.
Larry,

I have had a similar effect a few days ago.
I have used 4 co-located GPS antennas working with 4 different radio projects. All have worked properly for many months.

I then moved one of the setups using a different GPS antenna, again mounted within 6" from the others.
Next day I noted that all GPS units were not locked. Recorded frequency variations indicated this had happened intermittently overnight. After a while all locked again.
During the day I noted that occasionally all 4 lost lock, I was suspecting QRM (Local BAE Radar test site) but nothing around 1.5GHZ.

Moving the new antenna 6" further away restored lock on all.

So far I have not discovered why this happened.
I have not reproduced the fault by moving the antennas closer.
I was wondering if the new antenna was oscillating or whether leakage from digital circuits was passing up an antenna cable.
I think it unlikely the a GPS receiver would oscillate.
Maybe a weird phasing effect involving the placement of antennas? Exact original cable runs and antenna placement not recorded and have moved.

(None of the GPS are QRP Labs, the 4 not directly connected to any QRP Labs modules each discipline a frequency reference. Two Progrocks and a QDX are involved. I do also have a U3S with GPS but did not remember so did not check that.)

73 Alan G4ZFQ


 

Alan I thought of that I moved the QMX+ & GPS to a different floor across the house from the shack it still ?didn’t work.?
The two clock GPS antennas in the shack are several feet apart.? The U3S antenna is three feet from one clock antenna.?
Han has answered my support ticket we are working on options now.?


On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:25 AM Alan G4ZFQ via <alan4alan=[email protected]> wrote:
On 08/07/2024 03:09, Larry Christensen via wrote:
> I unplugged the gps on the QMX+ and both clock displays returned to
> normal. It is acting like the gps in the QMX+ is acting as a transmitter
> not a receiver and is blocking to other two GPS receivers.

Larry,

I have had a similar effect a few days ago.
I have used 4 co-located GPS antennas working with 4 different radio
projects. All have worked properly for many months.

I then moved one of the setups using a different GPS antenna, again
mounted within 6" from the others.
Next day I noted that all GPS units were not locked. Recorded frequency
variations indicated this had happened intermittently overnight. After a
while all locked again.
During the day I noted that occasionally all 4 lost lock, I was
suspecting QRM (Local BAE Radar test site) but nothing around 1.5GHZ.

Moving the new antenna 6" further away restored lock on all.

So far I have not discovered why this happened.
I have not reproduced the fault by moving the antennas closer.
I was wondering if the new antenna was oscillating or whether leakage
from digital circuits was passing up an antenna cable.
I think it unlikely the a GPS receiver would oscillate.
Maybe a weird phasing effect involving the placement of antennas? Exact
original cable runs and antenna placement not recorded and have moved.

(None of the GPS are QRP Labs, the 4 not directly connected to any QRP
Labs modules each discipline a frequency reference. Two Progrocks and a
QDX are involved. I do also have a U3S with GPS but did not remember so
did not check that.)

73 Alan G4ZFQ








 

Update #2?
I submitted a support ticket which Hans answered in minutes. We exchanged more information, he said to put a piece of paper or tape over the jump under the GPS. That solved the problem the GPS link with the birds with seconds. If you are not using insulated wire for the jump you must cover it to prevent it shorting to the GPS.?

Unbelievable customer service.?

Thank You?
Hans?

Larry NA0F?


 

I've just finished building my QMX+ with internal GPS. I had similar problems - I could see the heartbeat flashing, but no GPS data. I was convinced that the link connecting the power was sufficiently flat to not short to the SMA socket. However, I pulled off the GPS board and stuck a tiny square of tape on the link and ran it again. Magic......even indoors my location came up within a minute or two, and my QRA locator.
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Tony
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