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Help for QMX in Germany


 

Hello

I need some help to check my QMX. (80-20 meter version)
It is a little deaf and output on 30 meter abt. 1,5 watt and on 20 meter about 0,5 watt.
80/60 and 40 meter abt. 4,5 watt.
IC-402 is replaced and also the diode mode is done.
73 de Harry, DK2GZ


 

Hello

Hans told me to send pictures from the main board. A German om told to change L401 for the new winding style.
Can I just press the windings L401 or have I to desolder L401 first?
Here the pictures of the main board.





73 de Harry, DK2GZ


 

Harry,

Those are curious and interesting BPF plots.
It looks like 80m-40m is "sort of OK" but with some unexplained variation. You also get TX power output on those bands.

It is as if there is a problem somewhere in the 30m/20m LPF and that problem may also be affecting the other bands somewhat.

The first suggestion regarding LPF problems is always to check and make sure that the inductors are properly soldered, and that no residual enamel insulation is blocking connection. That is best done with an ohmmeter, measuring the resistance from one side of the inductor to the other. Probe the solder pads, not the copper wires, as you may get fooled otherwise. Your specific problem may be elsewhere but it is good to do this step just to be sure.

Make sure that no solder splashes or stray wire bits are fouling that LPF.

Inspect the inductor L509? which feeds the PIN diodes un that LPF. Make sure it has not been damaged and is soldered properly. An ohmmeter should show a low resistance, perhaps an ohm.

Inspect the PIN diodes that are part of the 30m/20m LPF. Are they oriented correctly? Are they properly soldered in place? What voltages do you measure on their leads when 30m or 20m is selected? What voltages when 80m-40m is selected?

Those steps should get you an answer or at least bring an answer much closer.

73 JZ KJ4A?

On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 4:25?PM Harry via <DK2GZ=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello

I need some help to check my QMX. (80-20 meter version)
It is a little deaf and output on 30 meter abt. 1,5 watt and on 20 meter about 0,5 watt.
80/60 and 40 meter abt. 4,5 watt.
IC-402 is replaced and also the diode mode is done.
73 de Harry, DK2GZ


 

Hello John,

thanks for the infos.
I will do the check next week,
This weekend to busy.

Regards and 73
Harry, DK2GZ


 

Hello

did inspect the board now.

Checking page 31, measuring are o.k.

A<-->A connection(piep)
A<-->B 1.310 ohm

On my QMX the blue and organge Cs not on the same place as in the manual page 27.




The main problem is not the low output on 30 and 20 Meter.

The RX on all bands is a little deaf.

73 de Harry, DK2GZ


 

Also according to page 43.
A, B, C and pin 9 of IC402 are all connected.(piep)

73 de Harry, DK2GZ


 

Measurement is *not OK*.

Page 31 is clear: there should be no connection between A and B. A reading of 1.31 ohms is almost a short circuit. Something is wrong.

What is the Rev level of your QMX?

The picture on page 27 (Rev 2, 3 manual) is showing the capacitor placement for a? 20m-10m unit.

Note the differences in highlighted capacitors, page 23 and 24.

JZ


On Thu, Mar 21, 2024, 5:56?AM Harry via <DK2GZ=[email protected]> wrote:

Hello

did inspect the board now.

Checking page 31, measuring are o.k.

A<-->A connection(piep)
A<-->B 1.310 ohm

On my QMX the blue and organge Cs not on the same place as in the manual page 27.




The main problem is not the low output on 30 and 20 Meter.

The RX on all bands is a little deaf.

73 de Harry, DK2GZ


 

Page 31:

if I checked in the "piep-mode" the value was 1310 not 1.310 between A and B.

About the capacitors placement.

I am still not sure about mine (look to the main board above here in the post). There are only two blue of them on mine.

I do not know abot the Rev level, bought it used, sorry.

73 de Harry, DK2GZ


 

A reading of 1310 Ohms (1.31KOhms) is plausible and makes much more sense.

Regarding capacitors, as the manual says on pages 24 and 25, capacitor color may be yellow or blue, depending on availability.
If you can see and read the values printed on the caps (difficult!), do so. It is easy to make a placement mistake.

Do you know if this was a factory assembled unit?

JZ


On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 8:12?AM Harry via <DK2GZ=[email protected]> wrote:

Page 31:

if I checked in the "piep-mode" the value was 1310 not 1.310 between A and B.

About the capacitors placement.

I am still not sure about mine (look to the main board above here in the post). There are only two blue of them on mine.

I do not know abot the Rev level, bought it used, sorry.

73 de Harry, DK2GZ


 

May I have to ask the seller, if it was an assembled unit, I do not know.
But how about the general deaf RX on all bands?
Winding L401 a thought? Mine have the older winding.

73 de Harry, DK2GZ

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Harry,

I have seen the following cause a "deaf on all bands" condition:

In order of declining likelihood:

a) a bad connection at either L401 or T401. This is absolutely the first thing to check. Wire enamel can be difficult to properly remove.
b) a failed 3253 mux chip. There was a rash of this early on in Rev 2. It was corrected in Rev 3 with the addition of a diode. I have seen only one failure of a corrected board, and it was due to an open circuit created at L503, voiding the T/R switch function. Checking for the correct bias voltage of 2.5V at C406 is usually a good test for the mux.
c) a short at the BNC connector. This is not so easy to determine, as by design an ohmmeter will show a DC short at that point while all is OK for RF. Only close inspection can help.
c) a failed T/R switch transistor. Rare, but it has happened. With power off, an ohmmeter check of resistance from each terminal to every other terminal should yield very high resistances for a good transistor.
d) a cracked capacitor C526. This will generally be accompanied by zero output power.

GL JZ


On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 8:43?AM Harry via <DK2GZ=[email protected]> wrote:

May I have to ask the seller, if it was an assembled unit, I do not know.
But how about the general deaf RX on all bands?
Winding L401 a thought? Mine have the older winding.

73 de Harry, DK2GZ

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Harry, one more thing. If IC407 should become damaged, that could also create a deaf condition. That stereo ADC chip is the most vulnerable to overvoltage of all the chips on the 5V distribution. A failure there is often accompanied by heating of the chip. I note all that here for completeness, though I think your problem is elsewhere.

JZ


On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 9:02?AM John Z via <jdzbrozek=[email protected]> wrote:
Harry,

I have seen the following cause a "deaf on all bands" condition:

In order of declining likelihood:

a) a bad connection at either L401 or T401. This is absolutely the first thing to check. Wire enamel can be difficult to properly remove.
b) a failed 3253 mux chip. There was a rash of this early on in Rev 2. It was corrected in Rev 3 with the addition of a diode. I have seen only one failure of a corrected board, and it was due to an open circuit created at L503, voiding the T/R switch function. Checking for the correct bias voltage of 2.5V at C406 is usually a good test for the mux.
c) a short at the BNC connector. This is not so easy to determine, as by design an ohmmeter will show a DC short at that point while all is OK for RF. Only close inspection can help.
c) a failed T/R switch transistor. Rare, but it has happened. With power off, an ohmmeter check of resistance from each terminal to every other terminal should yield very high resistances for a good transistor.
d) a cracked capacitor C526. This will generally be accompanied by zero output power.

GL JZ

On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 8:43?AM Harry via <DK2GZ=[email protected]> wrote:

May I have to ask the seller, if it was an assembled unit, I do not know.
But how about the general deaf RX on all bands?
Winding L401 a thought? Mine have the older winding.

73 de Harry, DK2GZ

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Hello

got the info.
It was build by the seller and is a Rev Lev 2 board.
IC407 is now replaced, also the diode protection is on now. See also my first post.

a) will check L401 and T401 now
d) a cracked capacitor C526---> I have output

73 de Harry


 

If i put my fingers, or touch the bridge with a paper clip, much more "noise" in the RX an weaker singals also a bit louder(just checked in 10112):


 

resoldered the wire, but still no difference. Step 7 page 34.
If I hold a wire(end of a resistor for example) at any of the solder point, or the wire-bridge, the receiption and noisefloor improve.

73 de Harry, DK2GZ


 

I do not understand why the receiption is much better if hold a single wire on the wire bridge.
Checked again the solder points. Also the DVM show a good connection of the bridge.
The old style winding of L401 is the problem?

73 de Harry, DK2GZ


 

Checked again page 43.
All A/B/C solid connection to pin 9 of IC402.
Still deaf RX , compare to my K1, on all bands.

73 de Harry, DK2GZ


 

I am still very unhappy.
Deaf RX
Low output on 30(1,5 watt) and 20(0,5 watt) meter.
Clicking sidetone etc.

Did again the audio filter sweep.
Why is my yellow line always in the range -43, in the manual -2

73 Harry, DK2GZ