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50W PA 40M SWR on input 2:1


 

My 50W PA for 40 meters (original version) has been and is working fine with my QCX+.
Today (in a test)? I connected my trusty QCX+ to the amp through an SWR meter and it is about 2:1
Seems surprisingly high?
What is the normal input SWR for the 40-mtr 50W amp?

Ken aa7jc


 

From the manual:

6.2 Input attenuator
The pi-network consisting of R2, R3 and R4 forms an attenuator. This is
necessary because the output of the QCX will be approximately 5W into 50-
ohms; this is a sinewave with 45V peak-peak. This will be too high for the
Gate-Source voltage specification (+/- 20V) of the IRF510 transistors.
To operate the transistor gates safely, and to correctly load the QCX at
approximately 50-ohms output impedance, and to ensure stability, this “3dB
pad” is a good practice inclusion in the circuit.

I'm not surprised that the input SWR is 2:1.


 

.I don't see why the attenuator would be an issue.? Maybe I missed your point?


On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 11:17?AM Jim Allyn - N7JA <jim@...> wrote:
From the manual:

6.2 Input attenuator
The pi-network consisting of R2, R3 and R4 forms an attenuator. This is
necessary because the output of the QCX will be approximately 5W into 50-
ohms; this is a sinewave with 45V peak-peak. This will be too high for the
Gate-Source voltage specification (+/- 20V) of the IRF510 transistors.
To operate the transistor gates safely, and to correctly load the QCX at
approximately 50-ohms output impedance, and to ensure stability, this “3dB
pad” is a good practice inclusion in the circuit.

I'm not surprised that the input SWR is 2:1.


 

Hi,
This 3 dB attenuator at the PA input means that at the input the worse VSWR could be 3:1 in case of open or short. The PA input impedance is somewhere inbetween. If it was 50 Ohm, the VSWR at the 3 dB input would show 1:1.
So this 3 dB pad improves the PA R.L.

If it would be 6 dB the worse VSWR would be 1.7:1.

73 Bojan S53DZ


 

What is the amplifier's designed input impedance when its output is going into a perfect 50 ohm dummy load?
Mine is 2:1? ?Is that normal?

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 11:55?AM Bojan Naglic <bojan.naglic@...> wrote:
Hi,
This 3 dB attenuator at the PA input means that at the input the worse VSWR could be 3:1 in case of open or short. The PA input impedance is somewhere inbetween. If it was 50 Ohm, the VSWR at the 3 dB input would show 1:1.
So this 3 dB pad improves the PA R.L.

If it would be 6 dB the worse VSWR would be 1.7:1.

73 Bojan S53DZ


 

Nominal SWR without attenuator is not easily 50 ohms due to your driving the
gates of Mosfets (think 175PF caps from gate to ground).? Even with?
transformers its difficult to get 50 ohms on 40 though 15M as its reactive.
That and 5W is way too much drive anyway, 2-25W is more than enough.
So the attenuator is but for power and predictable SWR to the QCX.

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Allison
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Ken, I just went through the same thing after I cooked my QDX and decided to measure amp input impedance.? I ended up adding an LC circuit to the amp input.? You can see my solution here:?/g/QRPLabs/message/105358? If you would like more details, just ask.??

Joshua
KJ7LVZ


 

Thanks.
One?thing still escapes me..
Is my 2:1 normal?


On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 1:03?PM ajparent1/kb1gmx <kb1gmx@...> wrote:
Nominal SWR without attenuator is not easily 50 ohms due to your driving the
gates of Mosfets (think 175PF caps from gate to ground).? Even with?
transformers its difficult to get 50 ohms on 40 though 15M as its reactive.
That and 5W is way too much drive anyway, 2-25W is more than enough.
So the attenuator is but for power and predictable SWR to the QCX.

--
Allison
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Post online only, please no email.


 

Thanks Joshua!


On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 1:30?PM Ken Lotts AA7JC <ken.lotts@...> wrote:
Thanks.
One?thing still escapes me..
Is my 2:1 normal?


On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 1:03?PM ajparent1/kb1gmx <kb1gmx@...> wrote:
Nominal SWR without attenuator is not easily 50 ohms due to your driving the
gates of Mosfets (think 175PF caps from gate to ground).? Even with?
transformers its difficult to get 50 ohms on 40 though 15M as its reactive.
That and 5W is way too much drive anyway, 2-25W is more than enough.
So the attenuator is but for power and predictable SWR to the QCX.

--
Allison
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Post online only, please no email.


 

unknown, too small sample size mine is 1.7:1.

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Allison
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Mine is 1.7:1 ish with amp connected to a dummy load. No problems so far.?
--
regards,
Bryan, N0LUF


 

All very helpful. ?It was a typo I know, but just in case anyone misses it, 2 - 2.5 watts is plenty. 25 watts is way too much ?

*That and 5W is way too much drive anyway, 2-25W is more than enough*

73