It's remarkable how much message traffic was handled back then. QMN had only an Early Net and more QTC than QNI.
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Re: QMN 90th Anniversary Certificate
Well done, will look great on the wall of my shack!
Danny KB8W
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On Mar 21, 2025, at 4:22?PM, Tom McMichael via groups.io <tommc7@...> wrote:
?Rock Solid, Jim!!
Great design and thanks, Tom, for leading in this!
Tom,KE8PAG
On Mar 21, 2025, at 2:30 PM, Tom Hammond W8MK <thammond@...> wrote:
?Greetings,
Jim WV0SS has come up with a great looking certificate to be awarded for 90th anniversary of the Michigan Net. Thank you very much, Jim. The attached sample certificate is based on the rather obscure fact that 90 is the "granite anniversary". I asked Jim to create a certificate around this theme, recognizing our 90 years of public service, recognition for the original founders, and to provide places for signatures by our Section Manager, Section Traffic Manager, and Net Manager.
Certificates will be issued later this year and awarded to those participants who achieve (on the honor system); 90 QNI (combined early/late), 90 QNN (NCS), and/or 90 QTC on the net. Some of you, perhaps many of you, will achieve all three levels of participation. If I were to study the net reports, I bet some of you have already qualified.
I am also considering notifying the ARRL of a separate award for any one-time QNI into QMN during 2025, but recipients of that certificate would be charged a nominal fee for printing and handing.
Thank you, Jim, for your artistic contribution to this project, and thank you all for keeping the tradition and service of the Michigan Net alive, for 90 years and beyond!
What do you all think????
Tom W8MK
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Re: QMN 90th Anniversary Certificate
Rock Solid, Jim!!
Great design and thanks, Tom, for leading in this!
Tom,KE8PAG
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On Mar 21, 2025, at 2:30 PM, Tom Hammond W8MK <thammond@...> wrote:
?Greetings,
Jim WV0SS has come up with a great looking certificate to be awarded for 90th anniversary of the Michigan Net. Thank you very much, Jim. The attached sample certificate is based on the rather obscure fact that 90 is the "granite anniversary". I asked Jim to create a certificate around this theme, recognizing our 90 years of public service, recognition for the original founders, and to provide places for signatures by our Section Manager, Section Traffic Manager, and Net Manager.
Certificates will be issued later this year and awarded to those participants who achieve (on the honor system); 90 QNI (combined early/late), 90 QNN (NCS), and/or 90 QTC on the net. Some of you, perhaps many of you, will achieve all three levels of participation. If I were to study the net reports, I bet some of you have already qualified.
I am also considering notifying the ARRL of a separate award for any one-time QNI into QMN during 2025, but recipients of that certificate would be charged a nominal fee for printing and handing.
Thank you, Jim, for your artistic contribution to this project, and thank you all for keeping the tradition and service of the Michigan Net alive, for 90 years and beyond!
What do you all think????
Tom W8MK
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Re: QMN 90th Anniversary Certificate
Jim, ? ?Thank’s for your work on the Great looking award. It will be a honor to those that receive it. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Thank’s again ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? John K8LJG?
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On Mar 21, 2025, at 3:06?PM, Mark K8ED via groups.io <k8ed@...> wrote:
? Looks great Jim & Tom!
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? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 73 & CU all on QMN 90!!!
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? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Tom Hammond W8MK" <thammond@...> To: [email protected]Subject: [QMN] QMN 90th Anniversary Certificate Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 14:30:07 -0400 Greetings, Jim WV0SS has come up with a great looking certificate to be awarded for 90th anniversary of the Michigan Net. Thank you very much, Jim. The attached sample certificate is based on the rather obscure fact that 90 is the "granite anniversary". I asked Jim to create a certificate around this theme, recognizing our 90 years of public service, recognition for the original founders, and to provide places for signatures by our Section Manager, Section Traffic Manager, and Net Manager. Certificates will be issued later this year and awarded to those participants who achieve (on the honor system); 90 QNI (combined early/late), 90 QNN (NCS), and/or 90 QTC on the net. Some of you, perhaps many of you, will achieve all three levels of participation. If I were to study the net reports, I bet some of you have already qualified. I am also considering notifying the ARRL of a separate award for any one-time QNI into QMN during 2025, but recipients of that certificate would be charged a nominal fee for printing and handing. Thank you, Jim, for your artistic contribution to this project, and thank you all for keeping the tradition and service of the Michigan Net alive, for 90 years and beyond! What do you all think???? Tom W8MK
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Looks great Jim & Tom!
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---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Tom Hammond W8MK" <thammond@...> To: [email protected]Subject: [QMN] QMN 90th Anniversary Certificate Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 14:30:07 -0400 Greetings, Jim WV0SS has come up with a great looking certificate to be awarded for 90th anniversary of the Michigan Net. Thank you very much, Jim. The attached sample certificate is based on the rather obscure fact that 90 is the "granite anniversary". I asked Jim to create a certificate around this theme, recognizing our 90 years of public service, recognition for the original founders, and to provide places for signatures by our Section Manager, Section Traffic Manager, and Net Manager. Certificates will be issued later this year and awarded to those participants who achieve (on the honor system); 90 QNI (combined early/late), 90 QNN (NCS), and/or 90 QTC on the net. Some of you, perhaps many of you, will achieve all three levels of participation. If I were to study the net reports, I bet some of you have already qualified. I am also considering notifying the ARRL of a separate award for any one-time QNI into QMN during 2025, but recipients of that certificate would be charged a nominal fee for printing and handing. Thank you, Jim, for your artistic contribution to this project, and thank you all for keeping the tradition and service of the Michigan Net alive, for 90 years and beyond! What do you all think???? Tom W8MK
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QMN 90th Anniversary Certificate
Greetings,
Jim WV0SS has come up with a great looking certificate to be awarded for 90th anniversary of the Michigan Net. Thank you very much, Jim. The attached sample certificate is based on the rather obscure fact that 90 is the "granite anniversary". I asked Jim to create a certificate around this theme, recognizing our 90 years of public service, recognition for the original founders, and to provide places for signatures by our Section Manager, Section Traffic Manager, and Net Manager.
Certificates will be issued later this year and awarded to those participants who achieve (on the honor system); 90 QNI (combined early/late), 90 QNN (NCS), and/or 90 QTC on the net. Some of you, perhaps many of you, will achieve all three levels of participation. If I were to study the net reports, I bet some of you have already qualified.
I am also considering notifying the ARRL of a separate award for any one-time QNI into QMN during 2025, but recipients of that certificate would be charged a nominal fee for printing and handing.
Thank you, Jim, for your artistic contribution to this project, and thank you all for keeping the tradition and service of the Michigan Net alive, for 90 years and beyond!
What do you all think????
Tom W8MK
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Hello,
I will be absent from the Tuesday late NCS slot on April 1 and likely April 8. My participation for the first two weeks of the month will be very intermittent.
Jeff
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Early session sub needed Tuesday
Hi folks,
I’ll be out of town Monday and Tuesday and may not be back in time for the early session on Tuesday 3/18. Please consider volunteering.
Tom W8MK
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The Hallicrafters S-38D was a broadcast and shortwave band receiver that shared parts with typical 455 kHz IF radios, so the selectivity bandwidth was the same as all popular AM radios in the 1950s. It had a BFO switch and I only listened to my Dad's Novice station in the very early mornings when the band was quiet. I suppose it would have been a cacophony of signals in the evenings. Recent information is that it cost $50 in the 1950s, which today would be over $500, for a radio with no power transformer so the 5 tube filament voltages added up to 120 volts AC or DC. It's strange to think some areas of the country would still be on DC power.
On Mon, Mar 10, 2025, 9:09 PM Tom Hammond W8MK via <thammond= [email protected]> wrote: What was the bandwidth, Mike? When you listened to the CW portion on the band, were you hearing a sea of signals with different tones? Good pileup training to focus your ears on one tone and ignore the rest.?
Tom On Mar 10, 2025, at 6:22?PM, Mike WB8DTT via <jeromehowell626=[email protected]> wrote:
? My first shortwave experiences were foreign broadcast stations with a Hallicrafters S-38D, and then years later to my Dad's Novice station when I was in college. The entire 80 meter band was less than an inch on the dial but I found him (3733 kHz) using the bandspread control and was careful not to touch any knob after that. It had a BFO for receiving CW so I thankfully did not need to adjust a regenerative control up to the point of oscillation to beat with a signal.
On Thu, Mar 6, 2025, 11:30 AM Tom Hammond W8MK via <thammond= [email protected]> wrote:
For those of us who have no experience with a regenerative
receiver, can you describe how it sounded and how it was operated
so we can understand the challenges of that era? Maybe we can find
a YouTube video of an operational regenerative receiver.
My first station was a Heathkit HR-10 and a Gonset GSB-100
transmitter. That was before my QMN days, though. By the time I
first QNI'd, I was using a Kenwood TS-520 transceiver with a 500Hz
filter.
Tom
On 3/6/2025 11:02 AM, Mike WB8DTT via
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Thanks, Tom
Don's article was great and refreshed my memory
about where 3663 finally came from. It's hard to imagine how
they worked crystal-controlled split frequency full break-in
with the primitive equipment of that era. Finding the other
station on a regenerative receiver?
So moving to a single frequency net was an
astounding idea!
W8JTQ introduced me to QMN in 1969 and when I
visited him in Flint, he said he had started in 1919 with a
spark gap transmitter. But getting a vacuum tube and building
a continuous wave transmitter made him a believer.
Of course we all know that CW is the "ultimate
speech processor" modulation.?
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What was the bandwidth, Mike? When you listened to the CW portion on the band, were you hearing a sea of signals with different tones? Good pileup training to focus your ears on one tone and ignore the rest.?
Tom
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On Mar 10, 2025, at 6:22?PM, Mike WB8DTT via groups.io <jeromehowell626@...> wrote:
? My first shortwave experiences were foreign broadcast stations with a Hallicrafters S-38D, and then years later to my Dad's Novice station when I was in college. The entire 80 meter band was less than an inch on the dial but I found him (3733 kHz) using the bandspread control and was careful not to touch any knob after that. It had a BFO for receiving CW so I thankfully did not need to adjust a regenerative control up to the point of oscillation to beat with a signal.
On Thu, Mar 6, 2025, 11:30 AM Tom Hammond W8MK via <thammond= [email protected]> wrote:
For those of us who have no experience with a regenerative
receiver, can you describe how it sounded and how it was operated
so we can understand the challenges of that era? Maybe we can find
a YouTube video of an operational regenerative receiver.
My first station was a Heathkit HR-10 and a Gonset GSB-100
transmitter. That was before my QMN days, though. By the time I
first QNI'd, I was using a Kenwood TS-520 transceiver with a 500Hz
filter.
Tom
On 3/6/2025 11:02 AM, Mike WB8DTT via
wrote:
Thanks, Tom
Don's article was great and refreshed my memory
about where 3663 finally came from. It's hard to imagine how
they worked crystal-controlled split frequency full break-in
with the primitive equipment of that era. Finding the other
station on a regenerative receiver?
So moving to a single frequency net was an
astounding idea!
W8JTQ introduced me to QMN in 1969 and when I
visited him in Flint, he said he had started in 1919 with a
spark gap transmitter. But getting a vacuum tube and building
a continuous wave transmitter made him a believer.
Of course we all know that CW is the "ultimate
speech processor" modulation.?
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My first shortwave experiences were foreign broadcast stations with a Hallicrafters S-38D, and then years later to my Dad's Novice station when I was in college. The entire 80 meter band was less than an inch on the dial but I found him (3733 kHz) using the bandspread control and was careful not to touch any knob after that. It had a BFO for receiving CW so I thankfully did not need to adjust a regenerative control up to the point of oscillation to beat with a signal.
On Thu, Mar 6, 2025, 11:30 AM Tom Hammond W8MK via <thammond= [email protected]> wrote:
For those of us who have no experience with a regenerative
receiver, can you describe how it sounded and how it was operated
so we can understand the challenges of that era? Maybe we can find
a YouTube video of an operational regenerative receiver.
My first station was a Heathkit HR-10 and a Gonset GSB-100
transmitter. That was before my QMN days, though. By the time I
first QNI'd, I was using a Kenwood TS-520 transceiver with a 500Hz
filter.
Tom
On 3/6/2025 11:02 AM, Mike WB8DTT via
wrote:
Thanks, Tom
Don's article was great and refreshed my memory
about where 3663 finally came from. It's hard to imagine how
they worked crystal-controlled split frequency full break-in
with the primitive equipment of that era. Finding the other
station on a regenerative receiver?
So moving to a single frequency net was an
astounding idea!
W8JTQ introduced me to QMN in 1969 and when I
visited him in Flint, he said he had started in 1919 with a
spark gap transmitter. But getting a vacuum tube and building
a continuous wave transmitter made him a believer.
Of course we all know that CW is the "ultimate
speech processor" modulation.?
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For those of us who have no experience with a regenerative
receiver, can you describe how it sounded and how it was operated
so we can understand the challenges of that era? Maybe we can find
a YouTube video of an operational regenerative receiver.
My first station was a Heathkit HR-10 and a Gonset GSB-100
transmitter. That was before my QMN days, though. By the time I
first QNI'd, I was using a Kenwood TS-520 transceiver with a 500Hz
filter.
Tom
On 3/6/2025 11:02 AM, Mike WB8DTT via
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Thanks, Tom
Don's article was great and refreshed my memory
about where 3663 finally came from. It's hard to imagine how
they worked crystal-controlled split frequency full break-in
with the primitive equipment of that era. Finding the other
station on a regenerative receiver?
So moving to a single frequency net was an
astounding idea!
W8JTQ introduced me to QMN in 1969 and when I
visited him in Flint, he said he had started in 1919 with a
spark gap transmitter. But getting a vacuum tube and building
a continuous wave transmitter made him a believer.
Of course we all know that CW is the "ultimate
speech processor" modulation.?
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Thanks, Tom Don's article was great and refreshed my memory about where 3663 finally came from. It's hard to imagine how they worked crystal-controlled split frequency full break-in with the primitive equipment of that era. Finding the other station on a regenerative receiver? So moving to a single frequency net was an astounding idea! W8JTQ introduced me to QMN in 1969 and when I visited him in Flint, he said he had started in 1919 with a spark gap transmitter. But getting a vacuum tube and building a continuous wave transmitter made him a believer. Of course we all know that CW is the "ultimate speech processor" modulation.?
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Revised / corrected issue attached. Please discard the earlier revision.
Tom
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On 3/6/2025 9:47 AM, Tom Hammond W8MK wrote: Greetings,
Attached is the QMN Net Report for February. Note that this issue has 4 pages of content - be sure not to miss the additional pages!
73, Tom W8MK
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Mike,
See the latest QMN net report for an answer to your question ;)
Tom W8MK
On 3/5/2025 3:05 PM, Mike WB8DTT via
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I vaguely remember reading a history of the QMN
founding, perhaps in a monthly mailing many years ago. Does
anyone have a document like this?
For instance, I think the net frequency was
planned to be "3665 kilocycles", but the crystals that were
ground and sold for a dollar each later measured at 3663 kHz.
That's only .05% which was quite accurate in 1935.
My first VFO dial (Heathkit HG-10B) was maybe a
tenth inch per 10 kHz, so whatever frequency NCS established
was what I would QNZ. QNY to pass traffic meant first tune the
receiver to the other station, and then spot the transmit VFO
to zero on it. Sometimes a station would forget to move the
transmitter VFO off frequency and we would get a laugh
listening to it on net frequency. NCS would QNE while going to
QNM that station.
Today's transceivers with precise digital
displays are so much better.
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Greetings,
Attached is the QMN Net Report for February. Note that this issue has 4 pages of content - be sure not to miss the additional pages!
73, Tom W8MK
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I recently asked Rich K8MEG if my recollection of 1969 QMN preambles was accurate and he concurred. At 6 pm, "CQ QMN SLOW SPEED TFC NET". I liked that. At 6:30 pm, "CQ QMN FAST SPEED TFC NET". And then fasten your seatbelt! Those guys were really having fun. Today's transceivers are so frequency precise that NCS and most QNI stations are indistinguishable in tone. I like hearing stations just a few Hertz up or down from NCS, like a symphony.
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I vaguely remember reading a history of the QMN founding, perhaps in a monthly mailing many years ago. Does anyone have a document like this? For instance, I think the net frequency was planned to be "3665 kilocycles", but the crystals that were ground and sold for a dollar each later measured at 3663 kHz. That's only .05% which was quite accurate in 1935. My first VFO dial (Heathkit HG-10B) was maybe a tenth inch per 10 kHz, so whatever frequency NCS established was what I would QNZ. QNY to pass traffic meant first tune the receiver to the other station, and then spot the transmit VFO to zero on it. Sometimes a station would forget to move the transmitter VFO off frequency and we would get a laugh listening to it on net frequency. NCS would QNE while going to QNM that station. Today's transceivers with precise digital displays are so much better.
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QTR? is short for “What is the correct time?” QTR without the query is “The time is:”
We use QTR in a net report to indicate the length of the net session. It may not be the perfect application of the Q signal but that’s what we’ve used.?
Tom W8MK
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On Feb 17, 2025, at 7:08?PM, Mark K8ED via groups.io <k8ed@...> wrote:
? Duration of the time of the net usually in minutes. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Mike WB8DTT via groups.io" <jeromehowell626@...> To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [QMN] What is QTR? Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 18:57:27 -0500
QTR means "the correct time is ...". QTR? means "what is the correct time?" We use it for "the net session time is".
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So, I think I've been assuming too much about what QTR means.?
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I've tried looking it up but can't find it. I have used it in my report submissions but mostly out of ignorance.?
Could anyone clarify for me what I should be reporting when I give QTR on NCS reports??
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