Stay Sail setup
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My boat came with a stay sail, cover, attachment point on the deck and mast, and wire.? No tracks.? I guess what I'm setting up is what I see the the main photo of this group.? Can anyone with this setup show me some pics so I can see more detail? Particularly interested in attachment points of the sail and how you are running lines aft?? My boat is setup so everything is running to the cabin.? Thanks much! Vicki? ?SV Bent Whisker, PS 31 Hull 55, 1990? Annapolis
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Vicki,
Intuition also had pretty much unused hanked on staysail, with no deck hardware to support it - other than the tack fitting and tang on the mast! I had a new staysail forestay made up with a Wichard quick release lever (they call it a baby stay adjuster). I built a fore-deck bag from materials acquired from Sailrite. I do have their LSZ-1 sewing machine, so the build was very easy. The cabin top hardware for the main halyard and reefing lines were led through a Schaefer deck organizer back through rope clutches to a bronze single Lewmar #8 single speed winch (not sure if was a factory installation or owner/marina installed). I purchased two new Lewmar ST16 bronze winches on sale from West Marine (2 for one) and several more Lewmar #8 bronze winches. Also replaced the original rope clutch starboard side and added one to port side with triple SPINLOCK XTS rope clutches. Installed a Schaefer marine stainless steel triple sheave deck organizer to port side cabin top. The boat came with a single pad-eye port and starboard outboard of the deck organizer locations - I believe they were installed by owner/marina to test out the staysail; there was a stay, but not hardware to support it and it was too long to be fitted as a staysail stay - might have run to the mast head - as a Solent fore stay. I use three lines for the two reef points on my loose footed main: one for each reefing point clew through the boom (through a Harken block, deck organizer, rope clutch, etc); and a line with quick release snap shackle for the tack reefing cringle, which I place on the correct reefing ring on the sail as needed. (Note, I am tempted to just route the Main Halyard to a new Lewmar #8 winch on the mast, it is much easier to raise the main at the mast! My two-cents... The main halyard is run to starboard side cabin top. I use the Lewmar ST16's to service the lines in each rope clutch. I use a Lewmar #8 for the staysail sheet. The roller furling 120% yankee halyard terminates on a Lewmar #8 and cleat on the mast . The staysail halyard runs back to same setup on the port side. I purchased track and cars for the staysail sheets, but not sure if it really buys you much, as the track is only 2 foot long; that is not installed yet, worried about how the screw holes will work above the head liner. For now, I just have a Harken block Port and Starboard for the staysail sheets mounted on those pad eyes by the deck organizers. Staysail sheets are terminated to a carabiner for now, which is attached to the staysail clew when deploying the staysail. Looking at possibly adding a DOWN HAUL for the staysail - line to head of sail, this would allow me to drop the staysail and secure it without going forward, until I was ready. The performance in heavier winds with the staysail is excellent, as she was designed to be cutter rigged! The sheeting angles in heavier winds with a sloop rig are not optimal, found I was lucky to trim to weather within 60 degrees to apparent wind with the yankee furled to the double reef point and the main double reefed in 30 + knot winds to weather. With the staysail I get about 30 degrees to apparent wind - similar conditions with double reefed main and staysail alone. My staysail also has one reef point, imagine that could get interesting. Though Intuition will hove to rather nicely. I will post sole photos in my Album for Intuition... Daryl s/y Intuition - PSC 31 #54 |
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Daryl, the previous owner of my boat painted the head lining and the zippers don't work for sure now - possible they didn't prior and that it why he didn't give a thought to painting them.? Otherwise, the headliner is in good shape and hoping I have no reason anytime to have to take any of it down.? I'll probably start with a set of blocks like you have for the sheets to start and add the cabin top tracks later.? I've already decided that when I do, am going to through bolt the tracks and have some stainless steel backing plates made for inside the cabin, leaving the liner in place.? With the chrome port holes and lights so close, figure it won't look too bad.? May use backing plates with some welded loops for extra attachment points for 'stuff'. Lots of great info here - am going to be copying some of your setup! - Vicki
On Saturday, June 5, 2021, 08:04:30 PM EDT, Daryl Clark <dlclark@...> wrote:
[Edited Message Follows] Vicki, Intuition also had pretty much unused hanked on staysail, with no deck hardware to support it - other than the tack fitting and tang on the mast! I had a new staysail forestay made up with a Wichard quick release lever (they call it a baby stay adjuster). I built a fore-deck bag from materials acquired from Sailrite. I do have their LSZ-1 sewing machine, so the build was very easy. The cabin top hardware for the main halyard and reefing lines were led through a Schaefer deck organizer back through rope clutches to a bronze single Lewmar #8 single speed winch (not sure if was a factory installation or owner/marina installed). I purchased two new Lewmar ST16 bronze winches on sale from West Marine (2 for one) and several more Lewmar #8 bronze winches. Also replaced the original rope clutch starboard side and added one to port side with triple SPINLOCK XTS rope clutches. Installed a Schaefer marine stainless steel triple sheave deck organizer to port side cabin top. The boat came with a single pad-eye port and starboard outboard of the deck organizer locations - I believe they were installed by owner/marina to test out the staysail; there was a stay, but not hardware to support it and it was too long to be fitted as a staysail stay - might have run to the mast head - as a Solent fore stay. I use three lines for the two reef points on my loose footed main: one for each reefing point clew through the boom (through a Harken block, deck organizer, rope clutch, etc); and a line with quick release snap shackle for the tack reefing cringle, which I place on the correct reefing ring on the sail as needed. (Note, I am tempted to just route the Main Halyard to a new Lewmar #8 winch on the mast, it is much easier to raise the main at the mast! My two-cents... The main halyard is run to starboard side cabin top. I use the Lewmar ST16's to service the lines in each rope clutch. I use a Lewmar #8 for the staysail sheet. The roller furling 120% yankee halyard terminates on a Lewmar #8 and cleat on the mast . The staysail halyard runs back to same setup on the port side. I purchased track and cars for the staysail sheets, but not sure if it really buys you much, as the track is only 2 foot long; that is not installed yet, worried about how the screw holes will work above the head liner. For now, I just have a Harken block Port and Starboard? for the staysail sheets mounted on those pad eyes by the deck organizers. Staysail sheets are terminated to a carabiner for now, which is attached to the staysail clew when deploying the staysail. Looking at possibly adding a DOWN HAUL for the staysail - line to head of sail, this would allow me to drop the staysail and secure it without going forward, until I was ready. The performance in heavier winds with the staysail is excellent, as she was designed to be cutter rigged! The sheeting angles in heavier winds with a sloop rig are not optimal, found I was lucky to trim to weather within 60 degrees to apparent wind with the yankee furled to the double reef point and the main double reefed in 30 + knot winds to weather. With the staysail I get about 30 degrees to apparent wind - similar conditions with double reefed main and staysail alone. My staysail also has one reef point, imagine that could get interesting. Though Intuition will hove to rather nicely. I will post sole photos in my Album for Intuition... Daryl s/y Intuition - PSC 31 #54 |
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Vicki,
The only place I had to remove the head liner was by the quarter berth to install the winches, rope clutches, and cleat! To Access the underside of the deck for the staysail sheet block/track or add deck organizer, I just needed to take down the interior hand holds, and unzip the liner. Cannot imagine someone painting the head liner... Daryl |
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I got a wonderful boat at a really great price because of a few odd choices the prior owner made like that. Not real biggies just things like changing canvas colors midstream and I know the liner thing freaked out the traditionalists.??
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