Re: throttle plate assembly rebuild demo
No problem. I'll bring the parts. We will be pressing bearings, assembling throttle assemblies, and adjusting throttle plates for both the lower plenum and the flappy. I'll also share some alternative part sources for ISV and TPS switches. The throttle rebuild should also apply to S3 cars too.  ? 
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:40?AM mick cowles via <mickcowles= [email protected]> wrote: Michael B- I'm always interested in learning when it comes to 928's and engine work in general. So, you'd have at least one interested spectator if you end up offering a throttle plate assembly rebuild demo.
Regards,
Mick
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 09:22:46 AM PDT, Michael Benno < michael.benno@...> wrote:
Hi Keith, thanks for hosting. I am planning on coming up as well with my GTS. I will volunteer to bring up a bunch of reusable picnic plates for us all. I'd recommend we all bring our own cup/silverware to ease up on the trash we leave at Keith's.
I am hoping to bring my favorite tools but still waiting on confirmations from Glen (aka?Zirconocene) and Ken (aka Porken). Joking aside, if folks want a demonstration on how to rebuild the flappy and throttle plate assembly I can bring the S4/GT/GTS manifold I am working on and provide a walkthrough. So let me know and I will bring them up.?
Keith, I will email you directly for contact info and address. Looking forward to seeing you all.?
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Re: Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA
Michael B- No problem! Happy to help with the organization stuff. I'm a motorhead and love the wrenching sessions, so I'm looking forward to meeting everyone and tinkering around. By the way, I came across some of your Youtube videos the other day....Good stuff buddy!!
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:24:02 AM PDT, Michael Benno <michael.benno@...> wrote:
thanks for all your organization efforts Mick. See you there!
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:53?AM mick cowles via <mickcowles= [email protected]> wrote: I've emailed you privately for directions Keith, but thought I'd let the rest of the group know, I ordered the red wine with the voucher I received from pelican parts. Hopefully, that arrives at my doorstep in the middle of the week. I'll be bringing a few bottles to the BBQ. I'm also happy to order some pizza for those who've not brought anything to cook. (I'll be ordering some for myself, as dealing with the timing belt tensioning and concerning myself with cooking steak seems like a bit too much to deal with).
Looking forward to meeting you all!
Kind Regards,
Mick Cowles
1985 S3 automatic
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 02:25:33 AM PDT, Keith Martin < keithrmartin@...> wrote:
Time - Let's start around 1 PM and plan to stay until 7 to 8 PM if desired.? Come when you want or can.? We will work on cars, then eat & drink (a bit) - cannot allow overindulged drivers to leave..... I have a large BBQ, lots of chairs, picnic tables & picnic tools - (someone bring some HD paper plates), and I have wine openers & coolers to put drinks in, etc.? Bring ice if necessary.?? I have two 3-ton jacks and 6 Jack Stands (4 really good ones - if we need more, someone could bring some more jack stands), and 2 pairs of drive-on ramps (for 928's we may want to jack a car up and "put" it on the ramps, not drive it up).? I have a number of vacuums and a steam cleaner and lots of hoses & hose bibs.? I have quite a few metric tools (no riming belt tensioner) and lots of shop lights - people could probably bring some more lights.? Also, have 2 drain pans.? If someone needs to "drain oil" bring your own plastic milk jugs for recycling - I have a few but just to be sure.? I can recycle with my garbage pickup.?? Let me know if you have a "leaker" on arrival - I have big pieces of cardboard for my concrete driveway or garage if necessary.?? Accommodations:? Best Western Plus Battle Ground Inn & Suites is the only motel near - Phone: 360-687-8881; Address: 1419 W Main Street, Battle Ground, WA 98604 - 3 miles from my house.? Tons of accommodations in the Vancouver area.?? Email me and advise how many are coming, what plans you have for working on your 928's, and what food & snacks you want to bring.?? Oregon Pinot Noir is my favorite wine.? I also love the SE Washington Red wines.?? For my basic location for travel planning, I am 2 miles South of Downtown Battle Ground, about 23 minutes from PDX.?? Let me know who is able to come.?? After I receive emails I will directly email you back (not through the PACNW928 page) my address & phone.? If you include your cell phone number I can probably directly send my address to put directly into your phones.?? Keith Martin 1980 Metallic Black 5-speed, Euro Cams, PorKen Tensioner, S Spoiler, S4 Brakes & S4 Rear Hatch/wing, 70k miles KeithRMartin@...
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Re: Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA
thanks for all your organization efforts Mick. See you there!
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:53?AM mick cowles via <mickcowles= [email protected]> wrote: I've emailed you privately for directions Keith, but thought I'd let the rest of the group know, I ordered the red wine with the voucher I received from pelican parts. Hopefully, that arrives at my doorstep in the middle of the week. I'll be bringing a few bottles to the BBQ. I'm also happy to order some pizza for those who've not brought anything to cook. (I'll be ordering some for myself, as dealing with the timing belt tensioning and concerning myself with cooking steak seems like a bit too much to deal with).
Looking forward to meeting you all!
Kind Regards,
Mick Cowles
1985 S3 automatic
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 02:25:33 AM PDT, Keith Martin < keithrmartin@...> wrote:
Time - Let's start around 1 PM and plan to stay until 7 to 8 PM if desired.? Come when you want or can.? We will work on cars, then eat & drink (a bit) - cannot allow overindulged drivers to leave..... I have a large BBQ, lots of chairs, picnic tables & picnic tools - (someone bring some HD paper plates), and I have wine openers & coolers to put drinks in, etc.? Bring ice if necessary.?? I have two 3-ton jacks and 6 Jack Stands (4 really good ones - if we need more, someone could bring some more jack stands), and 2 pairs of drive-on ramps (for 928's we may want to jack a car up and "put" it on the ramps, not drive it up).? I have a number of vacuums and a steam cleaner and lots of hoses & hose bibs.? I have quite a few metric tools (no riming belt tensioner) and lots of shop lights - people could probably bring some more lights.? Also, have 2 drain pans.? If someone needs to "drain oil" bring your own plastic milk jugs for recycling - I have a few but just to be sure.? I can recycle with my garbage pickup.?? Let me know if you have a "leaker" on arrival - I have big pieces of cardboard for my concrete driveway or garage if necessary.?? Accommodations:? Best Western Plus Battle Ground Inn & Suites is the only motel near - Phone: 360-687-8881; Address: 1419 W Main Street, Battle Ground, WA 98604 - 3 miles from my house.? Tons of accommodations in the Vancouver area.?? Email me and advise how many are coming, what plans you have for working on your 928's, and what food & snacks you want to bring.?? Oregon Pinot Noir is my favorite wine.? I also love the SE Washington Red wines.?? For my basic location for travel planning, I am 2 miles South of Downtown Battle Ground, about 23 minutes from PDX.?? Let me know who is able to come.?? After I receive emails I will directly email you back (not through the PACNW928 page) my address & phone.? If you include your cell phone number I can probably directly send my address to put directly into your phones.?? Keith Martin 1980 Metallic Black 5-speed, Euro Cams, PorKen Tensioner, S Spoiler, S4 Brakes & S4 Rear Hatch/wing, 70k miles KeithRMartin@...
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Pacnw928 guys- Does anyone have a hand pump with the right size hose to fit an OEM timing belt tensioner? I'd like to oil the tensioner while I have everything apart. Also, I'm curious if anyone owns a quality micrometer. I've tried in the past to use the cheap harbor freight micrometers, but they are terrible. I'm curious what the width of my rotors is. There may not be time for that on Saturday. But if everything goes smoothly with the timing belt adjustments, and there is time to kill, I'd love to get a look at my rotors.
Thanks and Regards,
Mick
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Re: Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA
I've emailed you privately for directions Keith, but thought I'd let the rest of the group know, I ordered the red wine with the voucher I received from pelican parts. Hopefully, that arrives at my doorstep in the middle of the week. I'll be bringing a few bottles to the BBQ. I'm also happy to order some pizza for those who've not brought anything to cook. (I'll be ordering some for myself, as dealing with the timing belt tensioning and concerning myself with cooking steak seems like a bit too much to deal with).
Looking forward to meeting you all!
Kind Regards,
Mick Cowles
1985 S3 automatic
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 02:25:33 AM PDT, Keith Martin <keithrmartin@...> wrote:
Time - Let's start around 1 PM and plan to stay until 7 to 8 PM if desired.? Come when you want or can.? We will work on cars, then eat & drink (a bit) - cannot allow overindulged drivers to leave.....
I have a large BBQ, lots of chairs, picnic tables & picnic tools - (someone bring some HD paper plates), and I have wine openers & coolers to put drinks in, etc.? Bring ice if necessary.??
I have two 3-ton jacks and 6 Jack Stands (4 really good ones - if we need more, someone could bring some more jack stands), and 2 pairs of drive-on ramps (for 928's we may want to jack a car up and "put" it on the ramps, not drive it up).?
I have a number of vacuums and a steam cleaner and lots of hoses & hose bibs.?
I have quite a few metric tools (no riming belt tensioner) and lots of shop lights - people could probably bring some more lights.?
Also, have 2 drain pans.? If someone needs to "drain oil" bring your own plastic milk jugs for recycling - I have a few but just to be sure.? I can recycle with my garbage pickup.??
Let me know if you have a "leaker" on arrival - I have big pieces of cardboard for my concrete driveway or garage if necessary.??
Accommodations:? Best Western Plus Battle Ground Inn & Suites is the only motel near - Phone: 360-687-8881; Address: 1419 W Main Street, Battle Ground, WA 98604 - 3 miles from my house.? Tons of accommodations in the Vancouver area.??
Email me and advise how many are coming, what plans you have for working on your 928's, and what food & snacks you want to bring.??
Oregon Pinot Noir is my favorite wine.? I also love the SE Washington Red wines.??
For my basic location for travel planning, I am 2 miles South of Downtown Battle Ground, about 23 minutes from PDX.??
Let me know who is able to come.??
After I receive emails I will directly email you back (not through the PACNW928 page) my address & phone.? If you include your cell phone number I can probably directly send my address to put directly into your phones.??
Keith Martin
1980 Metallic Black 5-speed, Euro Cams, PorKen Tensioner, S Spoiler, S4 Brakes & S4 Rear Hatch/wing, 70k miles
KeithRMartin@...
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Re: throttle plate assembly rebuild demo
Michael B- I'm always interested in learning when it comes to 928's and engine work in general. So, you'd have at least one interested spectator if you end up offering a throttle plate assembly rebuild demo.
Regards,
Mick
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 09:22:46 AM PDT, Michael Benno <michael.benno@...> wrote:
Hi Keith, thanks for hosting. I am planning on coming up as well with my GTS. I will volunteer to bring up a bunch of reusable picnic plates for us all. I'd recommend we all bring our own cup/silverware to ease up on the trash we leave at Keith's.
I am hoping to bring my favorite tools but still waiting on confirmations from Glen (aka?Zirconocene) and Ken (aka Porken). Joking aside, if folks want a demonstration on how to rebuild the flappy and throttle plate assembly I can bring the S4/GT/GTS manifold I am working on and provide a walkthrough. So let me know and I will bring them up.?
Keith, I will email you directly for contact info and address. Looking forward to seeing you all.?
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Re: PorKen around anymore?
PorKen- Hey there! Glad to see you're still around! Crazy your shop is so close to me. What a small world. That's cool you were thinking of dropping a note on my windshield! It's that kind of stuff that makes the 928 community so great. I was telling the rest of the group a few weeks ago, when I inherited this car from my Dad a year or so ago, I thought "What am I gonna do with this thing?" Now after interacting with some of the guys on the forums and here on pacnw928, and chatting with Roger from 928sRus, I understand the appeal of the community and can definitely see myself owning a 928 long term!
Thanks for all the contributions you've made to the 928 community! So many ingenious inventions! Not sure if you can make it to the Battleground BBQ, but if so, it would be great to meet you. I've got a bottle of red wine with your name on it! :-)
Kind Regard,
Mick Cowles
1985 Guards Red S3 automatic
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:03:34 AM PDT, k_projekt <k_projekt@...> wrote:
"The report of my death was an exaggeration"
Mick, its funny you ask because my shop is literally two blocks from where you park your bright red S3. I have been meaning to put a note on the windshield of that car for a while. I see you driving around SE occasionally.
PorKen
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Anyone driving down from the Seattle / Tacoma area for the BBQ?
If so, it would be nice to have someone to buddy up with.
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Re: Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA
Hi Keith, thanks for hosting. I am planning on coming up as well with my GTS. I will volunteer to bring up a bunch of reusable picnic plates for us all. I'd recommend we all bring our own cup/silverware to ease up on the trash we leave at Keith's.
I am hoping to bring my favorite tools but still waiting on confirmations from Glen (aka?Zirconocene) and Ken (aka Porken). Joking aside, if folks want a demonstration on how to rebuild the flappy and throttle plate assembly I can bring the S4/GT/GTS manifold I am working on and provide a walkthrough. So let me know and I will bring them up.?
Keith, I will email you directly for contact info and address. Looking forward to seeing you all.?
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Re: Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA
Hi Keith,
I will bring appetizers, a pair of jack stands and eating utensils (plates).
I don't plan on working on my '88 S4 at your location but will assist and learn up from the group.
And most of all, meet and make new friends.??
My email: ads78911@...?
Andy Sulla?
Vancouver, WA?
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Time - Let's start around 1 PM and plan to stay until 7 to 8 PM if desired.? Come when you want or can.? We will work on cars, then eat & drink (a bit) - cannot allow overindulged drivers to leave.....
I have a large BBQ, lots of chairs, picnic tables & picnic tools - (someone bring some HD paper plates), and I have wine openers & coolers to put drinks in, etc.? Bring ice if necessary.??
I have two 3-ton jacks and 6 Jack Stands (4 really good ones - if we need more, someone could bring some more jack stands), and 2 pairs of drive-on ramps (for 928's we may want to jack a car up and "put" it on the ramps, not drive it up).?
I have a number of vacuums and a steam cleaner and lots of hoses & hose bibs.?
I have quite a few metric tools (no riming belt tensioner) and lots of shop lights - people could probably bring some more lights.?
Also, have 2 drain pans.? If someone needs to "drain oil" bring your own plastic milk jugs for recycling - I have a few but just to be sure.? I can recycle with my garbage pickup.??
Let me know if you have a "leaker" on arrival - I have big pieces of cardboard for my concrete driveway or garage if necessary.??
Accommodations:? Best Western Plus Battle Ground Inn & Suites is the only motel near - Phone: 360-687-8881; Address: 1419 W Main Street, Battle Ground, WA 98604 - 3 miles from my house.? Tons of accommodations in the Vancouver area.??
Email me and advise how many are coming, what plans you have for working on your 928's, and what food & snacks you want to bring.??
Oregon Pinot Noir is my favorite wine.? I also love the SE Washington Red wines.??
For my basic location for travel planning, I am 2 miles South of Downtown Battle Ground, about 23 minutes from PDX.??
Let me know who is able to come.??
After I receive emails I will directly email you back (not through the PACNW928 page) my address & phone.? If you include your cell phone number I can probably directly send my address to put directly into your phones.??
Keith Martin
1980 Metallic Black 5-speed, Euro Cams, PorKen Tensioner, S Spoiler, S4 Brakes & S4 Rear Hatch/wing, 70k miles
KeithRMartin@...
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Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA
Time - Let's start around 1 PM and plan to stay until 7 to 8 PM if desired.? Come when you want or can.? We will work on cars, then eat & drink (a bit) - cannot allow overindulged drivers to leave.....
I have a large BBQ, lots of chairs, picnic tables & picnic tools - (someone bring some HD paper plates), and I have wine openers & coolers to put drinks in, etc.? Bring ice if necessary.??
I have two 3-ton jacks and 6 Jack Stands (4 really good ones - if we need more, someone could bring some more jack stands), and 2 pairs of drive-on ramps (for 928's we may want to jack a car up and "put" it on the ramps, not drive it up).?
I have a number of vacuums and a steam cleaner and lots of hoses & hose bibs.?
I have quite a few metric tools (no riming belt tensioner) and lots of shop lights - people could probably bring some more lights.?
Also, have 2 drain pans.? If someone needs to "drain oil" bring your own plastic milk jugs for recycling - I have a few but just to be sure.? I can recycle with my garbage pickup.??
Let me know if you have a "leaker" on arrival - I have big pieces of cardboard for my concrete driveway or garage if necessary.??
Accommodations:? Best Western Plus Battle Ground Inn & Suites is the only motel near - Phone: 360-687-8881; Address: 1419 W Main Street, Battle Ground, WA 98604 - 3 miles from my house.? Tons of accommodations in the Vancouver area.??
Email me and advise how many are coming, what plans you have for working on your 928's, and what food & snacks you want to bring.??
Oregon Pinot Noir is my favorite wine.? I also love the SE Washington Red wines.??
For my basic location for travel planning, I am 2 miles South of Downtown Battle Ground, about 23 minutes from PDX.??
Let me know who is able to come.??
After I receive emails I will directly email you back (not through the PACNW928 page) my address & phone.? If you include your cell phone number I can probably directly send my address to put directly into your phones.??
Keith Martin
1980 Metallic Black 5-speed, Euro Cams, PorKen Tensioner, S Spoiler, S4 Brakes & S4 Rear Hatch/wing, 70k miles
KeithRMartin@...
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Re: PorKen around anymore?
"The report of my death was an exaggeration"
Mick, its funny you ask because my shop is literally two blocks from where you park your bright red S3. I have been meaning to put a note on the windshield of that car for a while. I see you driving around SE occasionally.
PorKen
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Any cheap motels around that area that you could recommend?
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Re: Timing belt adjustments for Pete and Joe
79 OB.
Just installed a new one 3,000 miles ago before I left the East Coast
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Re: Pete's hood alignment
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Questions for Tom928 and Keith, Timing belt adjustment nuances, Tool List?
Pacnw928?guys-??Since?there?are?now?a?few?of?us?who?would?like?to?adjust?our?timing?belts,?I?spent?some?time?last?night?reading?the?many?step?by?step?guides?on?Rennlist?and?the?Kempf?tool?instructions.??There?are?some?nuances?specific?to?each?year.??I?know?on?the?S4's,?the?clamp?for?the?power?steering?reservoir?often?needs?to?be?loosened.??And?here's?a?example?of?one?of?the?challenges?related?to?adjusting?the?belt?on?my?1985?S3.??This?is?a synopsis of?excerpts?from?Rennlist?posts?over?the?years.
"Adjusting?the?timing?belt?on?the?S3?is?different?from?on?the?S4's,?which?is?what?the?Kempf?tool?instructions?were?written?for.??It's?also?much?different?from?adjusting?the?timing?belts?on?the?earlier?16?valve?cars?which?is?a?job?easily?done?in?a?parking?lot.??One?challenge?on?the?1985?model?is?loosening?and?sliding?the?coil?towards?the?front?and?out?of?the?way.?The?coil?bracket?has?a?13?mm?bolt?on?top?holding?it?to?the?firewall,?and?the?same?size?under?it.?It?also?has?a?Phillips?bolt?running?horizontally?through?the?bracket.??(see?pics).??Sometimes?the?head?and?bottom?of?the?bolt?interfere?with?getting?a?socket?or?wrench?onto?either?bracket?bolt.?Accessing?the?horizontal?bolt?is?a?challenge,?even?with?a?short?angle?Phillips?head?screw?driver.??Some?coil?brackets?are?attached?to?the?body?with?socket?hex?heads,?not?13mm?bolts.?Early?'85's?are?a?mixed?bag,?as?are?the?early?'87?S4's?and?most?production?change?years.??Remember?these?cars?were?all?hand?assembled,?leading?to?many?small?differences.??It?is?sometimes?best?to?remove?the?coil?and?reposition?the?bracket?of?the?coil?on?the?bench?to?avoid?stripping?the?Phillips?head?bolt,?as?the?clamping?bolts?are?often?frozen?up.?Accessing the coil?can?also?be?easier?if?you?have?the?hot?post?removed."
Tom928-?Because?of?these?subtle?differences,?do?you?think?its?a?good?idea?for?us?to?prepare?a?list?of?tools?that?will?be?needed?for?the?jobs???It?is?easy?to?forget?something.??One?thing?I?may?want?to?do?is?oil?the?tensioner?with?90?weight?gear?oil.??I?guess?I?need?a?hand?pump?and?a?hose?that?fits?the?bleeder?valve?on?the?tensioner?(home?depot?for?$10)?unless?you?already?have?that.
Keith?M.-??I?know?you?mentioned?you?have?jackstands?and?floorjacks,?but?do?you?have?many?other?tools???There's?always?the?chance?that?we?run?into?a?problem?we?didn't?anticipate.
Thanks?and?Regards,
Mick
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Re: Timing belt adjustments for Pete and Joe
Joe- It'd be great if you can make the trip. The meetup will be hosted by Keith M. in Battleground, WA. What year 928 do you have? I know there are subtle differences in what needs to be removed to make room to measure the timing belt tension. It depends alot on the year of 928.
Pete- What year is your 928?
Regards,
Mick
1985 928s3 automatic
On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 01:59:15 PM PDT, Joe Elliott <jelliott4@...> wrote:
I've been out of the loop and am frankly unlikely to make it, but I did get my 928 put back together before houseguests showed up last week, and they'll be gone by next week, so please keep me in the loop on any further planning.
And I am due for a timing belt re-tension (2000 mi since last time I changed it).
...Where did we decide this meet-up is going to happen?
- Joe (Shoreline, WA)
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Re: Pete's hood alignment
Pete- I'd be happy to help with your hood alignment.
Pacnw928guys- Let me/us know if you need help with any projects. If they're small, I'm happy to help with them at the BBQ. If they're bigger, perhaps I can help soon if you can make the trip down to Portland, or if we have another meetup in the fall.
Regards,
Mick
On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 07:19:52 AM PDT, Peter S s/v Dawa II <scottpeterd@...> wrote:
It¡¯s Pete.
That would be fantastic. ?I would also appreciate a set of hands to help me align my hood.
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I've been out of the loop and am frankly unlikely to make it, but I did get my 928 put back together before houseguests showed up last week, and they'll be gone by next week, so please keep me in the loop on any further planning.
And I am due for a timing belt re-tension (2000 mi since last time I changed it).
...Where did we decide this meet-up is going to happen?
- Joe (Shoreline, WA)
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It¡¯s Pete.
That would be fantastic. ?I would also appreciate a set of hands to help me align my hood.
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Michael Benno
Peter S s/v Dawa II
Keith Martin
