Re: ADA question - rolling stand for TV
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Hello everyone. I’m following up to my original list post about the mobile tv monitor stands – I appreciate the help and comments. I had multiple conversations with the Great Plains ADA Center, an ADA coordinator at a school district and
two COMS with experience in ADA. Below is a summary sent back to the building principle/process coordinator. I’m also attaching pictures of a few of the solutions we considered, as well.
?
I heard back from 2 people at the?
The discussion and their recommendations included:
- The stand legs are not considered a protruding object because it is mobile and therefore not a violation of a standard. However, there remains a concern as a?protruding object on the sides b/c the?cane does
not have detection (i.e. my question about the sides of the monitor)??
- The ADA standards do not address non-fixed elements therefore b/c it is non-fixed, it is not a violation of a standard.? ?
- The stand's legs meet ADA requirements for being detectable by a long cane?(which doesn’t help much in a therapy room or classroom where the student doesn’t typically use the long cane)
- The stand must be placed in a location to meet the minimum widths for accessible routes (think wheelchair/walker).?
- Great Plains said we should consider the amount of day-to-day use and the impact that should have on placement/storage. My takeaway here is that keeping it in relatively the same location will offer prediction
within a routine and decrease a safety?risk.?
- XXXX should consider placing a cane detectable element beneath the protruding areas (i.e. edge of monitor, front legs/casters). The Great Plains folks said, "from a safety, inclusion, and program accessibility
perspective, I’d recommend trying to address this to the greatest extent possible."
Because the District will not wall mount the monitors, we need other solutions to promote the safety of all staff and students, especially those with a mobility consideration/impairment.
Therefore, my conclusion from my collaboration with Great Plains and two trusted experts in O&M and ADA suggests we should proceed with a plan based on the elements and options I previously? brainstormed/discussed with you (placing carpet
or carpet squares beneath the front legs; snug the back of the stand into a corner to minimize the left/right risk; place a table across the front to cover/block the front legs; ‘candy cane’ the legs with high contrasting tape; place an element to serve as
a barrier on the left/right sides (such as a bookshelf/cabinet); place a carpet or detectable surface beneath the entire footprint of the mobile stand and/or place plastic/Rubbermaid shelving units/drawers between the front legs).
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Picture Descriptions:
- Mobile Stand: image of the stand in question. The front and rear legs are in a v-shaped configuration creating a large opening at the front, back, left and right sides. The front legs
extend out over 2’. The monitor is about 55” and is adjustable in height – therefore presenting a varying height of potential face/body contact if a person approaches from the right/left.
- Rubbermaid: image of the stand with three rubbermaid plastic drawer units placed between the left and right legs and in front of and below the monitor.
- Table: image of the stand with a very short table sitting about 8” off the ground but ‘fully covering’ both the left/right legs as well as the space between them.
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Kevin J. Hollinger
Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Orientation & Mobility Specialist
Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program
636-851-6143 voice
636-851-4133 fax
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Kevin, what an interesting question! ?I’m copying this to the Environmental Access Committee of AERs O&M Division.
Did you find anything in the regs about things projecting into the public right of way (or where you’d expect people to walk)? ?I’d think this fits into that unless it’s tucked away somewhere that people are not
expected to walk.
Meanwhile, we kind of have a responsibility for creating a safe environment that goes beyond regulations, and your idea of putting something on the ground detectable by cane sounds like the perfect solution! ?Unless you’re looking for regulations to convince
administrators to make it safe?
— Dona
Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist for the blind
?
Hi,
I need help with a potential ADA question.
The picture below depicts a rolling stand that mounts a TV that is used in a classroom (for projection – not an interactive whiteboard).
The front 2 legs stick out in a ‘V-shaped’ design significantly further than the ‘base’ of the stand which then has 2 smaller, ‘v-shaped’ legs sticking out the back from the base. There is no ‘barrier’ on the right
and left sides so a person/student could walk into the side of the tv frame.
Does the ADA regulate this type of mounting system? I’ve been through the access board website and cannot find a definitive answer.
One could easily ‘candy cane’ the legs with high contrast tape to bring visual attention in case of low contrast or possibly position the stand/tv between bookshelves or other ‘barriers’ to reduce the faceplant
into the sides of the monitor. Or, consider installing pool noodles or pipe insulation around the frame of the tv, too…. But, ultimately, does the design of this stand create a situation of ADA noncompliance? The image below is similar to the actual one I’m
referring to.
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Orientation & Mobility Specialist
Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
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636-851-4133 fax
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Re: ADA question - rolling stand for TV
Hello everyone. I’m following up to my original list post about the mobile tv monitor stands – I appreciate the help and comments. I had multiple conversations with the Great Plains ADA Center, an ADA coordinator at a school district and
two COMS with experience in ADA. Below is a summary sent back to the building principle/process coordinator. I’m also attaching pictures of a few of the solutions we considered, as well.
?
I heard back from 2 people at the?
The discussion and their recommendations included:
- The stand legs are not considered a protruding object because it is mobile and therefore not a violation of a standard. However, there remains a concern as a?protruding object on the sides b/c the?cane does
not have detection (i.e. my question about the sides of the monitor)??
- The ADA standards do not address non-fixed elements therefore b/c it is non-fixed, it is not a violation of a standard.? ?
- The stand's legs meet ADA requirements for being detectable by a long cane?(which doesn’t help much in a therapy room or classroom where the student doesn’t typically use the long cane)
- The stand must be placed in a location to meet the minimum widths for accessible routes (think wheelchair/walker).?
- Great Plains said we should consider the amount of day-to-day use and the impact that should have on placement/storage. My takeaway here is that keeping it in relatively the same location will offer prediction
within a routine and decrease a safety?risk.?
- XXXX should consider placing a cane detectable element beneath the protruding areas (i.e. edge of monitor, front legs/casters). The Great Plains folks said, "from a safety, inclusion, and program accessibility
perspective, I’d recommend trying to address this to the greatest extent possible."
Because the District will not wall mount the monitors, we need other solutions to promote the safety of all staff and students, especially those with a mobility consideration/impairment.
Therefore, my conclusion from my collaboration with Great Plains and two trusted experts in O&M and ADA suggests we should proceed with a plan based on the elements and options I previously? brainstormed/discussed with you (placing carpet
or carpet squares beneath the front legs; snug the back of the stand into a corner to minimize the left/right risk; place a table across the front to cover/block the front legs; ‘candy cane’ the legs with high contrasting tape; place an element to serve as
a barrier on the left/right sides (such as a bookshelf/cabinet); place a carpet or detectable surface beneath the entire footprint of the mobile stand and/or place plastic/Rubbermaid shelving units/drawers between the front legs).
?
Picture Descriptions:
- Mobile Stand: image of the stand in question. The front and rear legs are in a v-shaped configuration creating a large opening at the front, back, left and right sides. The front legs
extend out over 2’. The monitor is about 55” and is adjustable in height – therefore presenting a varying height of potential face/body contact if a person approaches from the right/left.
- Rubbermaid: image of the stand with three rubbermaid plastic drawer units placed between the left and right legs and in front of and below the monitor.
- Table: image of the stand with a very short table sitting about 8” off the ground but ‘fully covering’ both the left/right legs as well as the space between them.
?
?
?
?
?
Kevin J. Hollinger
Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Orientation & Mobility Specialist
Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program
636-851-6143 voice
636-851-4133 fax
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On Behalf Of Dona Sauerburger
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 2:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [OandM] ADA question - rolling stand for TV
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Kevin, what an interesting question! ?I’m copying this to the Environmental Access Committee of AERs O&M Division.
Did you find anything in the regs about things projecting into the public right of way (or where you’d expect people to walk)? ?I’d think this fits into that unless it’s tucked away somewhere that people are not
expected to walk.
Meanwhile, we kind of have a responsibility for creating a safe environment that goes beyond regulations, and your idea of putting something on the ground detectable by cane sounds like the perfect solution! ?Unless you’re looking for regulations to convince
administrators to make it safe?
— Dona
Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist for the blind
?
Hi,
I need help with a potential ADA question.
The picture below depicts a rolling stand that mounts a TV that is used in a classroom (for projection – not an interactive whiteboard).
The front 2 legs stick out in a ‘V-shaped’ design significantly further than the ‘base’ of the stand which then has 2 smaller, ‘v-shaped’ legs sticking out the back from the base. There is no ‘barrier’ on the right
and left sides so a person/student could walk into the side of the tv frame.
Does the ADA regulate this type of mounting system? I’ve been through the access board website and cannot find a definitive answer.
One could easily ‘candy cane’ the legs with high contrast tape to bring visual attention in case of low contrast or possibly position the stand/tv between bookshelves or other ‘barriers’ to reduce the faceplant
into the sides of the monitor. Or, consider installing pool noodles or pipe insulation around the frame of the tv, too…. But, ultimately, does the design of this stand create a situation of ADA noncompliance? The image below is similar to the actual one I’m
referring to.
?
?
?
?
?
Kevin J. Hollinger
Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Orientation & Mobility Specialist
Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program
636-851-6143 voice
636-851-4133 fax
?
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Re: ADA question - rolling stand for TV
Good day, I would check with the protruding objects section of the ADA. ?
It is a tripping hazard, depending on where it might be place along a path of travel. ?Yes, it is one of these grey areas that a company designs an object, they don’t look at ADA issues. ?ADA does not regulate these devices.
However, once it is being used, the school needs to make it ADA compliant.
Meg Robertson COMS
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On Aug 14, 2024, at 12:23?PM, HOLLINGER, KEVIN via groups.io <kevin.hollinger@...> wrote:
Hi,? I need help with a potential ADA question.? The picture below depicts a rolling stand that mounts a TV that is used in a classroom (for projection – not an interactive whiteboard). The front 2 legs stick out in a ‘V-shaped’ design significantly further than the ‘base’ of the stand which then has 2 smaller, ‘v-shaped’ legs sticking out the back from the base. There is no ‘barrier’ on the right and left sides so a person/student could walk into the side of the tv frame.? Does the ADA regulate this type of mounting system? I’ve been through the access board website and cannot find a definitive answer. One could easily ‘candy cane’ the legs with high contrast tape to bring visual attention in case of low contrast or possibly position the stand/tv between bookshelves or other ‘barriers’ to reduce the faceplant into the sides of the monitor. Or, consider installing pool noodles or pipe insulation around the frame of the tv, too…. But, ultimately, does the design of this stand create a situation of ADA noncompliance? The image below is similar to the actual one I’m referring to. ? <image001.jpg> ? ? ? ? Kevin J. Hollinger
Teacher of the Visually Impaired? Orientation & Mobility Specialist Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program?
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636-851-4133 fax ?
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Re: ADA question - rolling stand for TV
Might be a little hokey but a PVC frame around the outside would create a boundary that could easily be set wherever the TV is used (can be set up like tinker toys if unglued).?
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On Aug 14, 2024, at 4:27?PM, HOLLINGER, KEVIN via groups.io <kevin.hollinger@...> wrote:
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Yes, I noticed that and how the ‘traditional’ grip and cane placement were utilized though a pure white long cane… very PC….
?
This is in the classroom and the student is not using the long cane – the admin? is asking if what they purchased was a poor choice based on ADA requirements which is why I’m looking for exact guidance on
what the ADA says about moveable stands. If this were a stationary display sign or another object, it would not be within the guidelines in my opinion.
K
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Kevin J. Hollinger
Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Orientation & Mobility Specialist
Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program
636-851-6143 voice
636-851-4133 fax
?
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Kevin,
If you use the example if the sculpture in the video, that may give you a sense of the safety area around the mobile AV cart.?
The wheels and bars close to the ground make it detectable by the cane at certain areas, it is just determining if extends beyond the number of inches specified in the video.?
By the way, did you notice the animated character was “in step” with his cane?
?
Fantastic video… wow! Awesome, thanks, Chris, but I’m still looking for guidance on this situation (see actual pics of stand below). The pictures show a large (maybe 55-60” monitor
on a rolling stand. The stand is black with 2 v-shaped legs extending from the front and 2 shorter ones out the back.
Appreciate you all!
Kevin
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?
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Kevin J. Hollinger
Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Orientation & Mobility Specialist
Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program
636-851-6143 voice
636-851-4133 fax
?
?
This might shed some light…
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On Aug 14, 2024, at 1:43?PM, Dona Sauerburger <dona@...> wrote:
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Kevin, what an interesting question! ?I’m copying this to the Environmental Access Committee of AERs O&M Division.
Did you find anything in the regs about things projecting into the public right of way (or where you’d expect people to walk)? ?I’d think this fits
into that unless it’s tucked away somewhere that people are not expected to walk.
Meanwhile, we kind of have a responsibility for creating a safe environment that goes beyond regulations, and your idea of putting something on the ground detectable by cane sounds like the perfect
solution! ?Unless you’re looking for regulations to convince administrators to make it safe?
— Dona
Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist for the blind
?
I need help with a potential ADA question.?
The picture below depicts a rolling stand that mounts a TV that is used in a classroom (for projection – not an interactive whiteboard).
The front 2 legs stick out in a ‘V-shaped’ design significantly further than the ‘base’ of the stand which then has 2 smaller, ‘v-shaped’ legs sticking out the back from the base.
There is no ‘barrier’ on the right and left sides so a person/student could walk into the side of the tv frame.?
Does the ADA regulate this type of mounting system? I’ve been through the access board website and cannot find a definitive answer.
One could easily ‘candy cane’ the legs with high contrast tape to bring visual attention in case of low contrast or possibly position the stand/tv between bookshelves or other ‘barriers’
to reduce the faceplant into the sides of the monitor. Or, consider installing pool noodles or pipe insulation around the frame of the tv, too…. But, ultimately, does the design of this stand create a situation of ADA noncompliance? The image below is similar
to the actual one I’m referring to.
Kevin J. Hollinger
Teacher of the Visually Impaired?
Orientation & Mobility Specialist
Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program?
636-851-6143 voice
636-851-4133 fax
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Re: ADA question - rolling stand for TV
Yes, I noticed that and how the ‘traditional’ grip and cane placement were utilized though a pure white long cane… very PC….
?
This is in the classroom and the student is not using the long cane – the admin? is asking if what they purchased was a poor choice based on ADA requirements which is why I’m looking for exact guidance on
what the ADA says about moveable stands. If this were a stationary display sign or another object, it would not be within the guidelines in my opinion.
K
?
?
?
?
Kevin J. Hollinger
Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Orientation & Mobility Specialist
Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program
636-851-6143 voice
636-851-4133 fax
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Chris Tabb
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 5:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [OandM] ADA question - rolling stand for TV
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Kevin,
If you use the example if the sculpture in the video, that may give you a sense of the safety area around the mobile AV cart.?
The wheels and bars close to the ground make it detectable by the cane at certain areas, it is just determining if extends beyond the number of inches specified in the video.?
By the way, did you notice the animated character was “in step” with his cane?
?
Fantastic video… wow! Awesome, thanks, Chris, but I’m still looking for guidance on this situation (see actual pics of stand below). The pictures show a large (maybe 55-60” monitor
on a rolling stand. The stand is black with 2 v-shaped legs extending from the front and 2 shorter ones out the back.
Appreciate you all!
Kevin
?
?
?
?
?
Kevin J. Hollinger
Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Orientation & Mobility Specialist
Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program
636-851-6143 voice
636-851-4133 fax
?
?
This might shed some light…
—
Christopher J. Tabb, M.A., COMS
chris@...
Mobile:??512.660.2750
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On Aug 14, 2024, at 1:43?PM, Dona Sauerburger <dona@...> wrote:
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Kevin, what an interesting question! ?I’m copying this to the Environmental Access Committee of AERs O&M Division.
Did you find anything in the regs about things projecting into the public right of way (or where you’d expect people to walk)? ?I’d think this fits
into that unless it’s tucked away somewhere that people are not expected to walk.
Meanwhile, we kind of have a responsibility for creating a safe environment that goes beyond regulations, and your idea of putting something on the ground detectable by cane sounds like the perfect
solution! ?Unless you’re looking for regulations to convince administrators to make it safe?
— Dona
Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist for the blind
?
I need help with a potential ADA question.?
The picture below depicts a rolling stand that mounts a TV that is used in a classroom (for projection – not an interactive whiteboard).
The front 2 legs stick out in a ‘V-shaped’ design significantly further than the ‘base’ of the stand which then has 2 smaller, ‘v-shaped’ legs sticking out the back from the base.
There is no ‘barrier’ on the right and left sides so a person/student could walk into the side of the tv frame.?
Does the ADA regulate this type of mounting system? I’ve been through the access board website and cannot find a definitive answer.
One could easily ‘candy cane’ the legs with high contrast tape to bring visual attention in case of low contrast or possibly position the stand/tv between bookshelves or other ‘barriers’
to reduce the faceplant into the sides of the monitor. Or, consider installing pool noodles or pipe insulation around the frame of the tv, too…. But, ultimately, does the design of this stand create a situation of ADA noncompliance? The image below is similar
to the actual one I’m referring to.
Kevin J. Hollinger
Teacher of the Visually Impaired?
Orientation & Mobility Specialist
Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program?
636-851-6143 voice
636-851-4133 fax
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Re: ADA question - rolling stand for TV
Kevin,
If you use the example if the sculpture in the video, that may give you a sense of the safety area around the mobile AV cart.?
The wheels and bars close to the ground make it detectable by the cane at certain areas, it is just determining if extends beyond the number of inches specified in the video.?
Maybe that will help.?
By the way, did you notice the animated character was “in step” with his cane? -- Sent from iPhone chris@... 512.660.2750
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Fantastic video… wow! Awesome, thanks, Chris, but I’m still looking for guidance on this situation (see actual pics of stand below). The pictures show a large (maybe 55-60” monitor on a rolling stand. The
stand is black with 2 v-shaped legs extending from the front and 2 shorter ones out the back.
Appreciate you all!
Kevin
?
?
?
?
?
Kevin J. Hollinger
Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Orientation & Mobility Specialist
Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program
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This might shed some light…
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On Aug 14, 2024, at 1:43?PM, Dona Sauerburger <dona@...> wrote:
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Kevin, what an interesting question! ?I’m copying this to the Environmental Access Committee of AERs O&M Division.
Did you find anything in the regs about things projecting into the public right of way (or where you’d expect people to walk)? ?I’d think this fits
into that unless it’s tucked away somewhere that people are not expected to walk.
Meanwhile, we kind of have a responsibility for creating a safe environment that goes beyond regulations, and your idea of putting something on the ground detectable by cane sounds like the perfect
solution! ?Unless you’re looking for regulations to convince administrators to make it safe?
— Dona
Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist for the blind
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I need help with a potential ADA question.?
The picture below depicts a rolling stand that mounts a TV that is used in a classroom (for projection – not an interactive whiteboard).
The front 2 legs stick out in a ‘V-shaped’ design significantly further than the ‘base’ of the stand which then has 2 smaller, ‘v-shaped’ legs sticking out the back from the base.
There is no ‘barrier’ on the right and left sides so a person/student could walk into the side of the tv frame.?
Does the ADA regulate this type of mounting system? I’ve been through the access board website and cannot find a definitive answer.
One could easily ‘candy cane’ the legs with high contrast tape to bring visual attention in case of low contrast or possibly position the stand/tv between bookshelves or other ‘barriers’
to reduce the faceplant into the sides of the monitor. Or, consider installing pool noodles or pipe insulation around the frame of the tv, too…. But, ultimately, does the design of this stand create a situation of ADA noncompliance? The image below is similar
to the actual one I’m referring to.
Kevin J. Hollinger
Teacher of the Visually Impaired?
Orientation & Mobility Specialist
Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program?
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Re: ADA question - rolling stand for TV
Fantastic video… wow! Awesome, thanks, Chris, but I’m still looking for guidance on this situation (see actual pics of stand below). The pictures show a large (maybe 55-60” monitor on a rolling stand. The
stand is black with 2 v-shaped legs extending from the front and 2 shorter ones out the back.
Appreciate you all!
Kevin
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This might shed some light…
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On Aug 14, 2024, at 1:43?PM, Dona Sauerburger <dona@...> wrote:
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Kevin, what an interesting question! ?I’m copying this to the Environmental Access Committee of AERs O&M Division.
Did you find anything in the regs about things projecting into the public right of way (or where you’d expect people to walk)? ?I’d think this fits
into that unless it’s tucked away somewhere that people are not expected to walk.
Meanwhile, we kind of have a responsibility for creating a safe environment that goes beyond regulations, and your idea of putting something on the ground detectable by cane sounds like the perfect
solution! ?Unless you’re looking for regulations to convince administrators to make it safe?
— Dona
Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist for the blind
?
I need help with a potential ADA question.?
The picture below depicts a rolling stand that mounts a TV that is used in a classroom (for projection – not an interactive whiteboard).
The front 2 legs stick out in a ‘V-shaped’ design significantly further than the ‘base’ of the stand which then has 2 smaller, ‘v-shaped’ legs sticking out the back from the base.
There is no ‘barrier’ on the right and left sides so a person/student could walk into the side of the tv frame.?
Does the ADA regulate this type of mounting system? I’ve been through the access board website and cannot find a definitive answer.
One could easily ‘candy cane’ the legs with high contrast tape to bring visual attention in case of low contrast or possibly position the stand/tv between bookshelves or other ‘barriers’
to reduce the faceplant into the sides of the monitor. Or, consider installing pool noodles or pipe insulation around the frame of the tv, too…. But, ultimately, does the design of this stand create a situation of ADA noncompliance? The image below is similar
to the actual one I’m referring to.
Kevin J. Hollinger
Teacher of the Visually Impaired?
Orientation & Mobility Specialist
Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program?
636-851-6143 voice
636-851-4133 fax
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Re: ADA question - rolling stand for TV
To Kevin Hollinger:
Coby here:
When I contacted Gemini ADA rep from the New Mexico governors commission On Disability, she sent me the following information.
Thank you.
Coby livingstone
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Re: ADA question - rolling stand for TV
This might shed some light…
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