I’d be very cautious documenting that you/the team is “ensuring safety” – there is a ton of liability in those two words alone. I personally never say those two
words b/c trips, bumps, falls, and wipeouts occur all the time – especially in preschool! You are wanting to promote the child’s safety and that of others – no one can guarantee it – whether for an individual with sight or without. I’d caution you in saying
O&M will prevent injury.
Assessment drives instruction so yes, evaluate that kiddo and develop required accommodations or modifications as needed at this time. There are plenty of preschool
O&M scales out there (Oregon Project, Oregon Project Preschool Readiness Checklist, New Mexico, etc.) which will help identify a need for instruction and/or consultation. There are a few articles out there about liability – I have them at home somewhere but
you can use Google Scholar to search for them with key words of “orientation” and “mobility” and “liability” and you should get results – I used my AERBVI membership to access JVIB where most were published.
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but there is a question also about the need for O&M for a preschooler.
Whitney
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Re: Cafeteria Dilemma - College Freshman
I am not an O&M but as a VRT and a person who is visually impaired, it was always my goal that people do as much for themselves as possible. Not only because it gives them the opportunity for increased choice and independence but also because as a side benefit it can offer increased opportunities. I have worked with blind people who think that it is okay to shovel food into their mouths with their hands for example regardless of what they are eating and if they make a mess “so what i am blind.” These are professionals working with newly blind people. What they did not know is that when they may need to look for work they may be invited to a lunch interview well that interview starts with how well can you navigate through the door confidently and eat and not just your skills. ?I bring this up because in college you practice life skills mostly outside of class.
What if this person wants to go into different places in their community they can either stand there and be dragged along for the ride or they can pick up their dogs harness handle and tell it to “find the counter” at least. And if they made it to college they can help brainstorm: messenger bag, backpack, cloth bag with big handles, small tray held in one arm while using dog and following person or having dog heal etc. they should contribute try a few ideas out to see which works and some might work better depending on what they are going to be eating. Amanda?
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She is hesitant. But I think she can be more independent than she is. I like the bag idea.? The cafeteria is laid out the same each day, but items are different.? For example the “Special” for the day is always the first section as she
walks in. Then there is pizza and across is the salad station, then the yogurt station, then the desserts.? She can ask the person serving what there is and ask for that specific item since no one serves themselves.
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Some people ask that it be put in a bag, like for take-out, or maybe she can bring a cloth bag to be filled.
Is she wanting to go get everything herself?? That would seem to be a challenge for a blind person, most people I know ask for assistance to get all the food and find an empty chair.
Hello!? I am an O&M instructor with a client in her first year in college.? Her main mode of travel is with a guide dog.? She is struggling in the cafeteria due to not being able to carry everything. When I was working in public
schools I had my students use hard plastic cafeteria trays with the indentions for the different pieces of food and a round indention for the cup.? Is there a different way?? Or should I introduce a hard plastic tray for her instead of carrying her plate,
salad bowl, silverware, and drink cup.? Right now she is not being independent. She stands there, they come to her, ask what she wants, gets it for her, and then walks her to her table. I am thinking I can have her do it all on her own (except the serving
-- no one serves themselves there) if she had a hard tray.? Thoughts?
Thanks,
Julie
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Re: Cafeteria Dilemma - College Freshman
She is hesitant. But I think she can be more independent than she is. I like the bag idea.? The cafeteria is laid out the same each day, but items are different.? For example the “Special” for the day is always the first section as she
walks in. Then there is pizza and across is the salad station, then the yogurt station, then the desserts.? She can ask the person serving what there is and ask for that specific item since no one serves themselves.
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Some people ask that it be put in a bag, like for take-out, or maybe she can bring a cloth bag to be filled.
Is she wanting to go get everything herself?? That would seem to be a challenge for a blind person, most people I know ask for assistance to get all the food and find an empty chair.
Hello!? I am an O&M instructor with a client in her first year in college.? Her main mode of travel is with a guide dog.? She is struggling in the cafeteria due to not being able to carry everything. When I was working in public
schools I had my students use hard plastic cafeteria trays with the indentions for the different pieces of food and a round indention for the cup.? Is there a different way?? Or should I introduce a hard plastic tray for her instead of carrying her plate,
salad bowl, silverware, and drink cup.? Right now she is not being independent. She stands there, they come to her, ask what she wants, gets it for her, and then walks her to her table. I am thinking I can have her do it all on her own (except the serving
-- no one serves themselves there) if she had a hard tray.? Thoughts?
Thanks,
Julie
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Re: Cafeteria Dilemma - College Freshman
Some people ask that it be put in a bag, like for take-out, or
maybe she can bring a cloth bag to be filled.
Is she wanting to go get everything herself?? That would seem to
be a challenge for a blind person, most people I know ask for
assistance to get all the food and find an empty chair.
Hello!? I am an O&M instructor with a client in her first
year in college.? Her main mode of travel is with a guide dog.?
She is struggling in the cafeteria due to not being able to
carry everything. When I was working in public schools I had my
students use hard plastic cafeteria trays with the indentions
for the different pieces of food and a round indention for the
cup.? Is there a different way?? Or should I introduce a hard
plastic tray for her instead of carrying her plate, salad bowl,
silverware, and drink cup.? Right now she is not being
independent. She stands there, they come to her, ask what she
wants, gets it for her, and then walks her to her table. I am
thinking I can have her do it all on her own (except the serving
-- no one serves themselves there) if she had a hard tray.?
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Julie
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-- Dona
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Dona Sauerburger, COMS
Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist for the blind
Maryland
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Cafeteria Dilemma - College Freshman
Hello!? I am an O&M instructor with a client in her first year in college.? Her main mode of travel is with a guide dog.? She is struggling in the cafeteria due to not being able to carry everything. When I was working in public schools I had my students use hard plastic cafeteria trays with the indentions for the different pieces of food and a round indention for the cup.? Is there a different way?? Or should I introduce a hard plastic tray for her instead of carrying her plate, salad bowl, silverware, and drink cup.? Right now she is not being independent. She stands there, they come to her, ask what she wants, gets it for her, and then walks her to her table. I am thinking I can have her do it all on her own (except the serving -- no one serves themselves there) if she had a hard tray.? Thoughts?
Thanks,
Julie
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Even though there is an assessment in process,? critical needs should be addressed immediately if there is a safety issue during the assessment time to cover everyone's liability I would think- the schools and the O&M assessor.? If the child is unsafe in general
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Do any of you have articles or a liability statement about whether a school is covered liability-wise if a young preschooler who is completely blind does not have O&M instruction and falls or gets hurt?? We are in the process of having the student assessed,
but there is a question also about the need for O&M for a preschooler.
Whitney
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Do any of you have articles or a liability statement about whether a school is covered liability-wise if a young preschooler who is completely blind does not have O&M instruction and falls or gets hurt?? We are in the process of having the student assessed, but there is a question also about the need for O&M for a preschooler.
Whitney
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Hello all,
Do any of you have articles or a liability statement about whether a school is covered liability-wise if a young preschooler who is completely blind does not have O&M instruction and falls or gets hurt?? We are in the process of having the student assessed, but there is a question also about the need for O&M for a preschooler.
Whitney
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Re: Emergency Preparedness
Hi Jen!? Yes, I was going to send this to you directly as I KNEW
that you're uniquely qualified as an expert in this topic, and
then decided to send to the listserv.
On 8/18/2023 1:46 PM, Jen wrote:
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Dona!
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I’ve
been asked after seeing their presentation at DBI in Ottawa
to help them improve their EM/EP programs. I’ll definitely
take a look at this!
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Jen
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This series will launch in the month of September, which
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individuals who are DeafBlind and their families,
service providers, and community resource personnel the
tools and resources to prepare for natural disasters or
emergencies in their regions. Please see the attached
flyer for the weekly topics, which will be live every
Wednesday 2:00 pm-3:30 pm EST during the month of
September. To register, visit our website: Emergency
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Thanks Dona! ? I’ve been asked after seeing their presentation at DBI in Ottawa to help them improve their EM/EP programs. I’ll definitely take a look at this! ? Jen ?
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Date: August 18, 2023 at 9:30:04 AM EDT
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Your Emergency Preparedness Game.” This series will launch in the month of September, which is National Preparedness Month. The series will give individuals who are DeafBlind and their families, service providers, and community resource personnel the tools
and resources to prepare for natural disasters or emergencies in their regions. Please see the attached flyer for the weekly topics, which will be live every Wednesday 2:00 pm-3:30 pm EST during the month of September. To register, visit our website: Emergency
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O&M near Kutztown University
Looking for an O&M that could do a familiarization of campus for a new student at Kutztown university in Berks county.
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Hello everyone! John here: ? We at Protactile Language Interpreting National Education Program are excited to welcome applications from interpreters who live in the following nine states: California, Illinois, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New York, North Carolina, Texas, and Washington State.? It is truly a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.? Please feel free to spread the word—thank you for helping. ? A link and a text summary can be found below.? Good luck! ?
? Applications are now open for the 2023-2024 Protactile Language Interpreting Intensive Cohort!
The Protactile Language Interpreting National Education Program is charged with preparing interpreters working with DeafBlind individuals in Protactile language. Training is provided by DeafBlind educators. For those interpreters who work regularly in communities with greater concentrations of DeafBlind individuals, PLI is launching a 9-month long cohort starting in the fall of 2023. This is a small cohort of 16 participants to maintain small educator-to-student ratio and cohort experiences. Each cohort is a community of practice, sharing their newly-applied learnings, skills, knowledge and resources with each other and their instructors and mentors.
There is no other intensive, immersion opportunity preparing interpreters in learning, practicing, applying, and interpreting in Protactile language. We are grateful to the talented DeafBlind leaders, teachers, trainers, and mentors who are partnering with PLI to make this program a reality!
Under the direction of DeafBlind leaders and PLI staff, cohort participants will learn more about Protactile language, the Co-Navigator role, and Protactile's linguistic parameters through a 208-hour intensive experience, including an online learning community, 2 weeks onsite (January and May) for Protactile language immersion, and 20+-hours of mentorship and 2+ hours of applied learning (induction) in the participant's home community with DeafBlind individuals.
PLI has received a high volume of interest in this training and can only admit a total of 16 interpreters for this cohort - and only from 9 identified states - so be sure to spread the word and encourage folks to apply! For us to have the most success, we strongly encourage you to reach out to the DeafBlind leaders in these 9 states (CA, IL, LA, MA, MN, NY, NC, TX, WA) and encourage them to utilize their networks to recommend applicants.?
The application closes Friday, September 15th, 2023 at 11:59pm PT. Apply now at this link:?
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Canes for wheelchair users
Hi Becky! ?To find out how long your cane needs to be, you might experiment to see how much warning you need for unexpected hazards and drop-offs with the cane technique you’re using at the speed you normally go.
Find an edge of something that won’t be hazardous if you miss it (the edge of a carpet, maybe a wooden board someone can place randomly in your path, etc.) and move towards it, using your cane. ?Did you stop before your wheel reached the “hazard”? ?If not, you need more warning (I.e., a longer cane).
Detecting a drop-off can be more difficult than detecting something like a board or edge of carpet, so the next step would be to figure out if you can have enough warning about that. ?I usually find a short drop-off that wouldn’t be disastrous if the chair dropped off the edge, and work with that.
Detecting a drop off requires good proprioception in the wrist, properly using the cane without moving your arm, etc. It may be that an Alternative Mobility Device would be more effective. — Dona ————————— Dona Sauerburger, COMS www.sauerburger.org/Dona
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? Thanks for speaking up about your experiences, Becky! As you know, O&M is constantly evolving as we learn more of what works, what doesn’t, and adapt to the ever-changing environment.?
I really appreciate you advocating for your needs and experiences.?
All the best,? ? ? Kassy Maloney On Aug 12, 2023, at 12:38 PM, Becky Frankeberger <b.butterfly@...> wrote:
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Look this is a real blind person talking to you. I have walked sighted guide by all ages of persons with my tip of my cane pointed in not touching the ground. In my forty something years of honoring my O and M Specialist by listening and using their guidance: I have been run many times into signs, run off curbs, falling over hitting my foot on those bumpers that you all park your cars towards, run into wooden stands, nocked over displays in stores. No thank you on this very wrong technique. I will use my cane lightly tapping to cover my right side. If my cane detects a drop off or obstacle I will take the responsibility and go behind the person.? I am so sick of the sicky phrase, “I didn’t see that.” I except the apology.
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Please someone research and debunk the sighted guide lifting your cane misguidance you all are teaching. I will bet my last hundred dollars that real blind person all have come close to falling or did fall because of this misguidance of technique.
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Now I am in a wheelchair and use a short, well sort of cane you all fit me with. If I take you sighted guide, I hope you are responsible enough for your own safety. Yes my cane will go over more to the right to cover you, but you can use your cane to make certain you are truly safe.
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By the way, I rarely in my forty years of using a cane used sighted guide, yet I had all these mishaps. Kids do a great job and I have never fallen with a child guiding me.
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By the way, how long should my cane be as I roll along, giggle. To long and I sort of get disoriented. So far the forty-eight inch long cane is good, but I think I need to go a bit longer. ?????
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Thanks for speaking up about your experiences, Becky! As you know, O&M is constantly evolving as we learn more of what works, what doesn’t, and adapt to the ever-changing environment.?
I really appreciate you advocating for your needs and experiences.?
All the best,? ? ? Kassy Maloney
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Look this is a real blind person talking to you. I have walked sighted guide by all ages of persons with my tip of my cane pointed in not touching the ground. In my forty something years of honoring my O and M Specialist by listening and using their guidance: I have been run many times into signs, run off curbs, falling over hitting my foot on those bumpers that you all park your cars towards, run into wooden stands, nocked over displays in stores. No thank you on this very wrong technique. I will use my cane lightly tapping to cover my right side. If my cane detects a drop off or obstacle I will take the responsibility and go behind the person.? I am so sick of the sicky phrase, “I didn’t see that.” I except the apology.
?
Please someone research and debunk the sighted guide lifting your cane misguidance you all are teaching. I will bet my last hundred dollars that real blind person all have come close to falling or did fall because of this misguidance of technique.
?
Now I am in a wheelchair and use a short, well sort of cane you all fit me with. If I take you sighted guide, I hope you are responsible enough for your own safety. Yes my cane will go over more to the right to cover you, but you can use your cane to make certain you are truly safe.
?
By the way, I rarely in my forty years of using a cane used sighted guide, yet I had all these mishaps. Kids do a great job and I have never fallen with a child guiding me.
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By the way, how long should my cane be as I roll along, giggle. To long and I sort of get disoriented. So far the forty-eight inch long cane is good, but I think I need to go a bit longer. ?????
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Look this is a real blind person talking to you. I have walked sighted guide by all ages of persons with my tip of my cane pointed in not touching the ground. In my forty something years of honoring my O and M Specialist by listening and using their guidance: I have been run many times into signs, run off curbs, falling over hitting my foot on those bumpers that you all park your cars towards, run into wooden stands, nocked over displays in stores. No thank you on this very wrong technique. I will use my cane lightly tapping to cover my right side. If my cane detects a drop off or obstacle I will take the responsibility and go behind the person.? I am so sick of the sicky phrase, “I didn’t see that.” I except the apology.
?
Please someone research and debunk the sighted guide lifting your cane misguidance you all are teaching. I will bet my last hundred dollars that real blind person all have come close to falling or did fall because of this misguidance of technique.
?
Now I am in a wheelchair and use a short, well sort of cane you all fit me with. If I take you sighted guide, I hope you are responsible enough for your own safety. Yes my cane will go over more to the right to cover you, but you can use your cane to make certain you are truly safe.
?
By the way, I rarely in my forty years of using a cane used sighted guide, yet I had all these mishaps. Kids do a great job and I have never fallen with a child guiding me.
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By the way, how long should my cane be as I roll along, giggle. To long and I sort of get disoriented. So far the forty-eight inch long cane is good, but I think I need to go a bit longer. ?????
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wow, Amy, you keep coming up with great questions!
I'd say whatever they feel comfortable with.? Walking to the side while holding the handle would seem as safe as walking in the normal position with a walking human guide.-- in both cases the guide has to allow for enough clearance.? If the blind person
doesn't trust the guide, then walking behind would be good.
OR, they can do what one young couple did when I went to the University of Pittsburgh as an undergrad (before they had an O&M program there).? I think they eventually got married -- the guy was blind and the gal was in an electric wheelchair, and it was
a common sight to see them flying through the campus with him riding on the back, standing up and leaning forward!? I'm sure their PT would object but . . .
On 8/10/2023 9:46 PM, Amy Downard wrote:
Hi friends,
Here’s one that is interesting. If a school staff person is in a motorized wheelchair and providing human guide to a young student who is blind using a white cane, where’s the positioning of the student? Hold onto back of wheelchair and no cane?
To the back and side of the non-driving side of the guide with congested area cane? Where so they grip?? Can’t wait to read your kind responses!
Aloha
Amy
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Re: Guide in a motorized wheelchair
What a fun question! I’ve had learners hold onto the arm of the chair, walking to the side and slightly behind the wheelchair with their free hand on the shaft of their cane with the tip close to their body.?
I’ve found that unless there is a very great awareness of space and the wheelchair user can drive very close to the edge of the sidewalk, there is not typically enough sidewalk space for the person being guided to have a full amount of sidewalk in front of their bodies at all times. There’s the inevitable stepping off the sidewalk from time to time, which warrants cane use. (Even through the outer foot would still be the one stepping off the sidewalk and may not have been covered).?
It would probably depend on why the person is being guided in the first place, the environment, and their level of cane skills.?
Has Scott chimed in on these conversations yet? I love the way his brain thinks about wheelchairs.?
Happy Friday!?
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On Aug 10, 2023, at 9:06 PM, Dona Sauerburger <dona@...> wrote:
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wow, Amy, you keep coming up with great questions!
I'd say whatever they feel comfortable with.? Walking to the side
while holding the handle would seem as safe as walking in the
normal position with a walking human guide.-- in both cases the
guide has to allow for enough clearance.? If the blind person
doesn't trust the guide, then walking behind would be good.
OR, they can do what one young couple did when I went to the
University of Pittsburgh as an undergrad (before they had an
O&M program there).? I think they eventually got married --
the guy was blind and the gal was in an electric wheelchair, and
it was a common sight to see them flying through the campus with
him riding on the back, standing up and leaning forward!? I'm sure
their PT would object but . . .
On 8/10/2023 9:46 PM, Amy Downard
wrote:
Hi friends,
Here’s one that is interesting. If a school staff
person is in a motorized wheelchair and providing human guide to
a young student who is blind using a white cane, where’s the
positioning of the student? Hold onto back of wheelchair and no
cane? To the back and side of the non-driving side of the guide
with congested area cane? Where so they grip?? Can’t wait to
read your kind responses!
Aloha
Amy
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Dona Sauerburger, COMS
Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist for the blind
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Re: Guide in a motorized wheelchair
wow, Amy, you keep coming up with great questions!
I'd say whatever they feel comfortable with.? Walking to the side
while holding the handle would seem as safe as walking in the
normal position with a walking human guide.-- in both cases the
guide has to allow for enough clearance.? If the blind person
doesn't trust the guide, then walking behind would be good.
OR, they can do what one young couple did when I went to the
University of Pittsburgh as an undergrad (before they had an
O&M program there).? I think they eventually got married --
the guy was blind and the gal was in an electric wheelchair, and
it was a common sight to see them flying through the campus with
him riding on the back, standing up and leaning forward!? I'm sure
their PT would object but . . .
On 8/10/2023 9:46 PM, Amy Downard
wrote:
Hi friends,
Here’s one that is interesting. If a school staff
person is in a motorized wheelchair and providing human guide to
a young student who is blind using a white cane, where’s the
positioning of the student? Hold onto back of wheelchair and no
cane? To the back and side of the non-driving side of the guide
with congested area cane? Where so they grip?? Can’t wait to
read your kind responses!
Aloha
Amy
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-- Dona
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Dona Sauerburger, COMS
Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist for the blind
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Guide in a motorized wheelchair
Hi friends,
Here’s one that is interesting. If a school staff person is in a motorized wheelchair and providing human guide to a young student who is blind using a white cane, where’s the positioning of the student? Hold onto back of wheelchair and no cane? To the back and side of the non-driving side of the guide with congested area cane? Where so they grip?? Can’t wait to read your kind responses!
Aloha Amy
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