SOMA field trip sign-up deadline Sept. 29 . . .
Hi everyone!? This is meant for those who are planning to come to SOMA but haven't registered yet -- I want you to know that if you want to go on one of the field trips to Space Camp or Helen Keller's home, we need to know by the end of next week -- September 28!??
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So check them out at and sign up if interested by September 28 so we can finalize arrangements.? If we need to cancel or rearrange any of the trips, we'll let you know by October 1st.
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BRING OLD / NEW CANES TO DONATE!
"Cane Drive-SOMA 2024," organized by , is collecting canes -- new, old, or broken—for restoration and distribution to those in need around the world.? So please bring your old or new canes for donation and leave them at the "You Cane Give" table at SOMA!
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available position for and o and m instructor
Hello Everyone.? The Lighthouse Vision loss Education Center has an available full time position for an?o and m instructor.? The Lighthouse is located in Sarasota, Fl .?
Consider working in beautiful, sunny Sarasota with a great supportive team! The position involves?working with Teens, Adults and Seniors.? No lessons in the snow :)? ?some in the rain if you want !? Sarasota has beautiful weather all?year round!!?? I began with the Lighthouse in 2020 and love it!!!!??
Feel free to contact me with any questions or call the Lighthouse directly at? 941-359-1404
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Re: Thermoplastic Beads Question
Julie and all, I do not know if the solution described here actually would work, because the client I ordered it for a few years ago died before we had a chance to work with it. I also do not remember any longer what Internet site I found it on. Nonetheless, I remember the item to be inexpensive, I think about thirteen to fifteen dollars, and it seemed worth a try. I had a client who would seem to have had some of the same issues as yours, except he was perhaps more severe. He had had a couple of really severe strokes and he moved very slowly. He could not grip a cane for more than a few minutes without the grip lessening, and he would then drop the cane, often without realizing that he had done so. On an OT and PT products site, I found a glove (and I think it could be ordered for right or left hand) that had a strong, Velcro ?strap on it. The strip was on the palm side of the glove, and allowed the strap to be wrapped around objects that the person wanted to grip. The client was a middle aged gentleman who was large and had at one time had a very strong grip. By the time, however, that I got our consulting PT to approve trying the device (which was a step I had to take because I was working in a multi faceted clinic at the time) the client had a third stroke and died. Anyway, perhaps this gives a lead to follow. Michael Byington, Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist (COMS) > President of Kansas Association for the Blind and Visually Impaired, Inc. >> Membership Coordinator for Friends In Art of the American Council of the Blind >> 712 S. Kansas Avenue >> Suite 414D-F >> Topeka, Kansas 66603 >> (785) 221-7111 >> ByingtonCOMS@... ? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Julie Henry Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2024 10:25 AM To: [email protected]Subject: [OandM] Thermoplastic Beads Question ? Those of you that have used thermoplastic beads to mold the grip of the cane to a learner's hand, would that work for someone who has had a stroke and states that after a long period of time things will slip out of their hand?
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I am thinking that if you attached a golf glove to the plastic while it is molding, it *might* be helpful
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I have now used them for a few folks including one person who had a stroke.? They haven't made holding onto the cane completely foolproof, but they have definitely helped.? When you put the hot thermoplastic around
the grip, start with it wrapped around the grip where they will be holding the cane, with more material adjacent to the flat side of the cane grip – this material will be against the palm of their hand.? Then have them hold the cane and gently squeeze to mold
the grip – if some is between their 2nd?and 3rd?fingers that can be good because it then will provide assistance with holding onto the cane even without a firm grip.??
Run it under cold water for a bit to solidify it – make sure that it has stayed formed around the handle so that it doesn't slide around later.
If it doesn't work or if it's too much, it's relatively simple to run it under hot water for a while to get it off the cane and then melt the bigger pieces back down to try again.
Those of you that have used thermoplastic beads to mold the grip of the cane to a learner's hand, would that work for someone who has had a stroke and states that after a long period of time things will slip out of their hand?
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I have now used them for a few folks including one person who had a stroke.? They haven't made holding onto the cane completely foolproof, but they have definitely helped.? When you put the hot thermoplastic around the grip, start with it wrapped around the
grip where they will be holding the cane, with more material adjacent to the flat side of the cane grip – this material will be against the palm of their hand.? Then have them hold the cane and gently squeeze to mold the grip – if some is between their 2nd?and
3rd?fingers that can be good because it then will provide assistance with holding onto the cane even without a firm grip.??
Run it under cold water for a bit to solidify it – make sure that it has stayed formed around the handle so that it doesn't slide around later.
If it doesn't work or if it's too much, it's relatively simple to run it under hot water for a while to get it off the cane and then melt the bigger pieces back down to try again.
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Those of you that have used thermoplastic beads to mold the grip of the cane to a learner's hand, would that work for someone who has had a stroke and states that after a long period of time things will slip out of their hand?
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Re: Thermoplastic Beads Question
You can attach a glove to the grip as you form it.
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Also try sugru – an O&M Specialist Paul Ehresman did a lot of presenting and teaching on its use for molding specialized or individualized grips for a long cane and/or AMD.
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Also try sugru – an O&M Specialist Paul Ehresman did a lot of presenting and teaching on its use for molding specialized or individualized grips for a long cane and/or AMD.
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Hi, Are you able to describe the issue attached to your email about the king grip? Or teach me how to use the app which would describe the photo?
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? I’m wondering if you could attach something like this to the cane grip to the cane lays in their hand and they don’t have to grip as hard all the time. The beads may be challenging if the concern is fatigue and or numbness in the hand or fingers.?  On Aug 21, 2024, at 9:24?AM, Julie Henry via groups.io <jhenry@...> wrote:
? Those of you that have used thermoplastic beads to mold the grip of the cane to a learner's hand, would that work for someone who has had a stroke and states that after a long period of time things will slip out of their hand?
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I’m wondering if you could attach something like this to the cane grip to the cane lays in their hand and they don’t have to grip as hard all the time. The beads may be challenging if the concern is fatigue and or numbness in the hand or fingers.? 
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Thermoplastic Beads Question
Those of you that have used thermoplastic beads to mold the grip of the cane to a learner's hand, would that work for someone who has had a stroke and states that after a long period of time things will slip out of their hand?
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DeafBlind Leadership NOW Update
To our dear friends and partners in action, John here: ? Some updates from the DeafBlind Leadership NOW (DBLN) network! ? Reminder ? First, a reminder of what this is all about.? Helen Keller Services recently hired yet another hearing-sighted person to be executive director of Helen Keller National Center. Qualified DeafBlind candidates were passed over.? This constitutes the continued breaking of a promise made with our community ten years ago that a DeafBlind person would be chosen “next time.” ? Over the span of ten days, two hundred sixty-two DeafBlind people signed a petition in protest.? It demanded that a DeafBlind person be appointed executive director of HKNC.? Further, we demanded that HKNC be separated from its distant parent organization, HKS, to become its own autonomous entity, and for it to be run by a DeafBlind-led board of trustees. ? No Response from HKS ? More than a week has passed since the August 9 deadline we set for Helen Keller Services to appoint a DeafBlind director and to begin transition processes toward separating HKNC from HKS and organizing a DeafBlind-led board.? HKS has not reached out to us. ? As our petition explains, their failure to comply with our demands pushes us into the second stage of our movement.? Are you all ready? ? Preparations ? The core team spent all week last week preparing to launch the second stage of our movement.? One of our main projects was to set up a website.? Please check it out! ? ? Congress ? We’ve begun reaching out and talking with representatives and senators in Congress to share our petition and raise our concerns.? We urge you all to get in touch with your U.S. congressional district representative and the two U.S. senators representing your state. ? Our advocacy team put together a fantastic resource to help you do so.? You will find all of what you need to know at this page: ? ???????????????????????????? Also, two members of the advocacy team are available to answer any questions you may have or to provide further assistance in finding and contacting your representatives.? Feel free to email outreach@... ? Fundraising ? We are now accepting donations!? All donations will go into our advocacy efforts and only those efforts: basic costs for our website and other communications, legal fees, travel and logistics for possible meetings, and, if necessary, support for significant direct actions. ? Please consider donating to DBLN by visiting this page: ? https://deafblindleadershipnow.org/donate.html ? Media ? For those of you who use traditional social media, please consider using the hashtags #DeafBlindLeadershipNOW and #DBLNStrong.? Feel free to post this email anywhere, use links to our website, and to initiate any conversations and commentaries. ? If you are a journalist or know journalists who may be interested in covering our evolving movement, our Media Team is ready to provide media kits and connections to compelling sources.? Email media@... ? Volunteers Needed ? We have several task forces that are focusing on various projects.? If you happen to have an interest or some knowledge in the following areas, we welcome your support! ? --Legal Team: Specifically to explore applying pressure on HKS via legal channels and, more broadly, to counsel our movement throughout all the planned stages of our process. ? --Foundations Team: To contact all the foundations that give money to HKS to advise them of our petition and concerns. ? --CARF Team: To file a set of complaints with CARF, an accredition body. ? --RSA Team: To pursue all avenues of opening dialogues with Rehabilitation Services Administration, the responsible agency for the great bulk of public funding HKNC receives. ? If you would like to volunteer, please email dbln@... ? Statements of Support ? We are heartened to receive statements of support from various organizations, agencies, and schools.? Thank you!? We are thrilled to continue circulating those statements and adding them to our website. ? If you belong to or work for an organization or agency, we appreciate your considering proposing that you and your colleagues issue a statement of support. ? Statements of support can be sent to dbln@... ? DBLN Alliance ? We also recently set up an email group, DBLN Alliance, for anyone interested in supporting our movement and being updated.? It is open to DeafBlind and non-DeafBlind alike.? If you’d like to join the listserv, please email dbln@... ? Our Terms ? We want to note two things about our approach. ? First, for those who want to contribute to our movement, we emphasize that we are FOR DeafBlind leadership NOW, at HKNC and beyond.? We are not AGAINST HKNC.? We acknowledge that many have experienced oppression by HKNC.? There needs to be space for processing such experiences.? Our focus, however, is on making a fundamental change happen at HKNC, NOW. ? Second, we wish to state explicitly that HKS is invited to meet with us at any time to work on resolutions to our demands.? Any such dialogue or meeting will be on our terms, not theirs. ? Can you feel the ground rumbling?? Yes, it’s time. ? PT cheers, John ? ?
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Re: Making a high school accessible
To get the statistics as to what constitutes accessibility, including details on what Chris has provided, the Americans With Disabilities Act Accessibility Guidelines (ADAAG) is an excellent source. It can be obtained off of the U, S, Access Board’s website you two for doing Behind The Music. I love the Community Karaoke folks too, but it reminds me sometimes of top 40 AM radio, while Behind The Music reminds me more of the alternative rock station I used to listen to late at night back in the late 1960s and early 1970s/ Michael Byington, Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist (COMS) > President of Kansas Association for the Blind and Visually Impaired, Inc. >> Membership Coordinator for Friends In Art of the American Council of the Blind >> 712 S. Kansas Avenue >> Suite 414D-F >> Topeka, Kansas 66603 >> (785) 221-7111 >> ByingtonCOMS@... ? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Laura Messinger Sent: Monday, August 19, 2024 9:34 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [OandM] Making a high school accessible ? ? Just a few ideas… Braille signage Steps that have contrast on edge QR Codes and or braille everywhere print material is available on bulletin boards, etc.? Mapping tje school with a system like GoodMaps or using beacons for orientation and area information Tactile surfaces anywhere color is used for orientation information Hi fellow O&Mers! If someone wanted to modify a high school to make it more accessible to blind and visually impaired, where would I go to look for resources? Or who would you recommend that I talk to? The stem club would like to make a 3D map of the high school and implement changes within the building to make it more accessible.?
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Chinese translation of "Distantism"
Dear fellow nudgers of our spinning globe, John here: ? Zihao Lin has orchestrated the publication of my essay “Distantism” in Chinese translation!? The translation was massaged into life under the capable hands of Raffia Lin and Xinche.? My heartfelt thanks to Zihao, Raffia, and Xinche! ? Published here: ? ? It’s also available through this WeChat channel: ? ? For those who may be interested, the essay is included in my latest book, “Touch the Future: A Manifesto in Essays,” available through bookstores, audiobook vendors, and as an ebook in various formats, including Bookshare. ? PT cheers! John ? ?
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Braille signage
Accessible map
Steps that have contrast on edge
QR Codes and or braille everywhere print material is available on bulletin boards, etc.?
Mapping tje school with a system like GoodMaps or using beacons for orientation and area information
Tactile surfaces anywhere color is used for orientation information
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Hi fellow O&Mers! If someone wanted to modify a high school to make it more accessible to blind and visually impaired, where would I go to look for resources? Or who would you recommend that I talk to?
The stem club would like to make a 3D map of the high school and implement changes within the building to make it more accessible.?
Thanks, Laura?
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Just a few ideas…
Braille signage
Accessible map
Steps that have contrast on edge
QR Codes and or braille everywhere print material is available on bulletin boards, etc.?
Mapping tje school with a system like GoodMaps or using beacons for orientation and area information
Tactile surfaces anywhere color is used for orientation information
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? Hi fellow O&Mers! If someone wanted to modify a high school to make it more accessible to blind and visually impaired, where would I go to look for resources? Or who would you recommend that I talk to?
The stem club would like to make a 3D map of the high school and implement changes within the building to make it more accessible.?
Thanks, Laura?
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Making a high school accessible
Hi fellow O&Mers! If someone wanted to modify a high school to make it more accessible to blind and visually impaired, where would I go to look for resources? Or who would you recommend that I talk to?
The stem club would like to make a 3D map of the high school and implement changes within the building to make it more accessible.?
Thanks, Laura?
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Re: ADA question - rolling stand for TV
Thank you for sharing alm you learned in the process Kevin!
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Hello everyone. I’m following up to my original list post about the mobile tv monitor stands – I appreciate the help and comments. I had multiple conversations with the Great Plains ADA Center, an ADA coordinator at a school district and
two COMS with experience in ADA. Below is a summary sent back to the building principle/process coordinator. I’m also attaching pictures of a few of the solutions we considered, as well.
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I heard back from 2 people at the?
The discussion and their recommendations included:
- The stand legs are not considered a protruding object because it is mobile and therefore not a violation of a standard. However, there remains a concern as a?protruding object on the sides b/c the?cane does
not have detection (i.e. my question about the sides of the monitor)??
- The ADA standards do not address non-fixed elements therefore b/c it is non-fixed, it is not a violation of a standard.? ?
- The stand's legs meet ADA requirements for being detectable by a long cane?(which doesn’t help much in a therapy room or classroom where the student doesn’t typically use the long cane)
- The stand must be placed in a location to meet the minimum widths for accessible routes (think wheelchair/walker).?
- Great Plains said we should consider the amount of day-to-day use and the impact that should have on placement/storage. My takeaway here is that keeping it in relatively the same location will offer prediction
within a routine and decrease a safety?risk.?
- XXXX should consider placing a cane detectable element beneath the protruding areas (i.e. edge of monitor, front legs/casters). The Great Plains folks said, "from a safety, inclusion, and program accessibility
perspective, I’d recommend trying to address this to the greatest extent possible."
Because the District will not wall mount the monitors, we need other solutions to promote the safety of all staff and students, especially those with a mobility consideration/impairment.
Therefore, my conclusion from my collaboration with Great Plains and two trusted experts in O&M and ADA suggests we should proceed with a plan based on the elements and options I previously? brainstormed/discussed with you (placing carpet
or carpet squares beneath the front legs; snug the back of the stand into a corner to minimize the left/right risk; place a table across the front to cover/block the front legs; ‘candy cane’ the legs with high contrasting tape; place an element to serve as
a barrier on the left/right sides (such as a bookshelf/cabinet); place a carpet or detectable surface beneath the entire footprint of the mobile stand and/or place plastic/Rubbermaid shelving units/drawers between the front legs).
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Picture Descriptions:
- Mobile Stand: image of the stand in question. The front and rear legs are in a v-shaped configuration creating a large opening at the front, back, left and right sides. The front legs
extend out over 2’. The monitor is about 55” and is adjustable in height – therefore presenting a varying height of potential face/body contact if a person approaches from the right/left.
- Rubbermaid: image of the stand with three rubbermaid plastic drawer units placed between the left and right legs and in front of and below the monitor.
- Table: image of the stand with a very short table sitting about 8” off the ground but ‘fully covering’ both the left/right legs as well as the space between them.
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Francis Howell School District Vision Program
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Kevin, what an interesting question! ?I’m copying this to the Environmental Access Committee of AERs O&M Division.
Did you find anything in the regs about things projecting into the public right of way (or where you’d expect people to walk)? ?I’d think this fits into that unless it’s tucked away somewhere that people are not
expected to walk.
Meanwhile, we kind of have a responsibility for creating a safe environment that goes beyond regulations, and your idea of putting something on the ground detectable by cane sounds like the perfect solution! ?Unless you’re looking for regulations to convince
administrators to make it safe?
— Dona
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I need help with a potential ADA question.
The picture below depicts a rolling stand that mounts a TV that is used in a classroom (for projection – not an interactive whiteboard).
The front 2 legs stick out in a ‘V-shaped’ design significantly further than the ‘base’ of the stand which then has 2 smaller, ‘v-shaped’ legs sticking out the back from the base. There is no ‘barrier’ on the right
and left sides so a person/student could walk into the side of the tv frame.
Does the ADA regulate this type of mounting system? I’ve been through the access board website and cannot find a definitive answer.
One could easily ‘candy cane’ the legs with high contrast tape to bring visual attention in case of low contrast or possibly position the stand/tv between bookshelves or other ‘barriers’ to reduce the faceplant
into the sides of the monitor. Or, consider installing pool noodles or pipe insulation around the frame of the tv, too…. But, ultimately, does the design of this stand create a situation of ADA noncompliance? The image below is similar to the actual one I’m
referring to.
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Orientation & Mobility Specialist
Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program
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Re: ADA question - rolling stand for TV
Hello everyone. I’m following up to my original list post about the mobile tv monitor stands – I appreciate the help and comments. I had multiple conversations with the Great Plains ADA Center, an ADA coordinator at a school district and
two COMS with experience in ADA. Below is a summary sent back to the building principle/process coordinator. I’m also attaching pictures of a few of the solutions we considered, as well.
?
I heard back from 2 people at the?
The discussion and their recommendations included:
- The stand legs are not considered a protruding object because it is mobile and therefore not a violation of a standard. However, there remains a concern as a?protruding object on the sides b/c the?cane does
not have detection (i.e. my question about the sides of the monitor)??
- The ADA standards do not address non-fixed elements therefore b/c it is non-fixed, it is not a violation of a standard.? ?
- The stand's legs meet ADA requirements for being detectable by a long cane?(which doesn’t help much in a therapy room or classroom where the student doesn’t typically use the long cane)
- The stand must be placed in a location to meet the minimum widths for accessible routes (think wheelchair/walker).?
- Great Plains said we should consider the amount of day-to-day use and the impact that should have on placement/storage. My takeaway here is that keeping it in relatively the same location will offer prediction
within a routine and decrease a safety?risk.?
- XXXX should consider placing a cane detectable element beneath the protruding areas (i.e. edge of monitor, front legs/casters). The Great Plains folks said, "from a safety, inclusion, and program accessibility
perspective, I’d recommend trying to address this to the greatest extent possible."
Because the District will not wall mount the monitors, we need other solutions to promote the safety of all staff and students, especially those with a mobility consideration/impairment.
Therefore, my conclusion from my collaboration with Great Plains and two trusted experts in O&M and ADA suggests we should proceed with a plan based on the elements and options I previously? brainstormed/discussed with you (placing carpet
or carpet squares beneath the front legs; snug the back of the stand into a corner to minimize the left/right risk; place a table across the front to cover/block the front legs; ‘candy cane’ the legs with high contrasting tape; place an element to serve as
a barrier on the left/right sides (such as a bookshelf/cabinet); place a carpet or detectable surface beneath the entire footprint of the mobile stand and/or place plastic/Rubbermaid shelving units/drawers between the front legs).
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- Mobile Stand: image of the stand in question. The front and rear legs are in a v-shaped configuration creating a large opening at the front, back, left and right sides. The front legs
extend out over 2’. The monitor is about 55” and is adjustable in height – therefore presenting a varying height of potential face/body contact if a person approaches from the right/left.
- Rubbermaid: image of the stand with three rubbermaid plastic drawer units placed between the left and right legs and in front of and below the monitor.
- Table: image of the stand with a very short table sitting about 8” off the ground but ‘fully covering’ both the left/right legs as well as the space between them.
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Kevin J. Hollinger
Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Orientation & Mobility Specialist
Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program
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Subject: Re: [OandM] ADA question - rolling stand for TV
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Kevin, what an interesting question! ?I’m copying this to the Environmental Access Committee of AERs O&M Division.
Did you find anything in the regs about things projecting into the public right of way (or where you’d expect people to walk)? ?I’d think this fits into that unless it’s tucked away somewhere that people are not
expected to walk.
Meanwhile, we kind of have a responsibility for creating a safe environment that goes beyond regulations, and your idea of putting something on the ground detectable by cane sounds like the perfect solution! ?Unless you’re looking for regulations to convince
administrators to make it safe?
— Dona
Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist for the blind
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Hi,
I need help with a potential ADA question.
The picture below depicts a rolling stand that mounts a TV that is used in a classroom (for projection – not an interactive whiteboard).
The front 2 legs stick out in a ‘V-shaped’ design significantly further than the ‘base’ of the stand which then has 2 smaller, ‘v-shaped’ legs sticking out the back from the base. There is no ‘barrier’ on the right
and left sides so a person/student could walk into the side of the tv frame.
Does the ADA regulate this type of mounting system? I’ve been through the access board website and cannot find a definitive answer.
One could easily ‘candy cane’ the legs with high contrast tape to bring visual attention in case of low contrast or possibly position the stand/tv between bookshelves or other ‘barriers’ to reduce the faceplant
into the sides of the monitor. Or, consider installing pool noodles or pipe insulation around the frame of the tv, too…. But, ultimately, does the design of this stand create a situation of ADA noncompliance? The image below is similar to the actual one I’m
referring to.
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Kevin J. Hollinger
Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Orientation & Mobility Specialist
Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program
636-851-6143 voice
636-851-4133 fax
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Re: ADA question - rolling stand for TV
Good day, I would check with the protruding objects section of the ADA. ?
It is a tripping hazard, depending on where it might be place along a path of travel. ?Yes, it is one of these grey areas that a company designs an object, they don’t look at ADA issues. ?ADA does not regulate these devices.
However, once it is being used, the school needs to make it ADA compliant.
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On Aug 14, 2024, at 12:23?PM, HOLLINGER, KEVIN via groups.io <kevin.hollinger@...> wrote:
Hi,? I need help with a potential ADA question.? The picture below depicts a rolling stand that mounts a TV that is used in a classroom (for projection – not an interactive whiteboard). The front 2 legs stick out in a ‘V-shaped’ design significantly further than the ‘base’ of the stand which then has 2 smaller, ‘v-shaped’ legs sticking out the back from the base. There is no ‘barrier’ on the right and left sides so a person/student could walk into the side of the tv frame.? Does the ADA regulate this type of mounting system? I’ve been through the access board website and cannot find a definitive answer. One could easily ‘candy cane’ the legs with high contrast tape to bring visual attention in case of low contrast or possibly position the stand/tv between bookshelves or other ‘barriers’ to reduce the faceplant into the sides of the monitor. Or, consider installing pool noodles or pipe insulation around the frame of the tv, too…. But, ultimately, does the design of this stand create a situation of ADA noncompliance? The image below is similar to the actual one I’m referring to. ? <image001.jpg> ? ? ? ? Kevin J. Hollinger
Teacher of the Visually Impaired? Orientation & Mobility Specialist Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist ?
Francis Howell School District Vision Program?
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