Re: Tactile Floor Markings?
Rather than some complicated design that might not be used consistently, why not white tape for contrast for low vision and rely on verbal advocacy/requesting info from others nearby for assistance? ?Hopefully this is a temporary situation...Just my two cents worth... Suzi, COMS, TVI, parent
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Donna, you, Janet Barlow, Beezy Bentzen and Rob Wall Emerson were in a two webinar series that looked at research based information. Janet talked about specific studies related to tactile
markings outdoors.
I thought it was very helpful information
On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 1:04:06 PM EDT, Smith, Donna <donna.smith@...> wrote:
I am very interested in this discussion as we are implementing markings on the floor of our platforms and rail cars to encourage social distancing.
I¡¯m afraid that the piecemeal approach being implemented by many different agencies and businesses around the country will make this nearly impossible to resolve quickly. Is high contrast coloring sufficient for people with significant low vision? Would textured
stencils, maybe something that is rough like sandpaper be sufficient for people using canes and perhaps not seen as something to avoid by guide dogs? The whole issue of arrows directing people up and down aisles just adds another layer.
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Thanks for letting me be not much help! <smile>
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I think it's important to think about how people who are blind would really use tactile markings for information such as this? How would they find them? what is the real purpose
of the markings? Are we looking for and talking about something that would not really be usable and feasible?
Audible information seems more potentially usable, but I struggle with figuring out the details of how that would work too.
Janet
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On 5/12/2020 12:38 PM, Chris Tabb wrote:
Hi Sharisse,
Nothing seen in the wild yet, but for a few ideas to get the creative thoughts going¡
In sports settings, such as goal ball, the road placed on the floor with strong tape over the top allows for a tactile perimeter and
boundary lines. Similar strategies are used in theaters on stage for performers who are blind and visually impaired.
Auditory beaconing systems, similar to the ¡°locator tone¡± on many APS systems could be used for locating the next pole position or standing
spot when queuing.
?
?
Now that we are seeing more and more floor labels for direction of traffic or where to stand to maintain 6 ft distance. Is anyone seeing
any accessible markings or tactile markings??
I have just received a request from a local college that is asking for my advice as to how to mark these to make them tactile to the white
cane as most of the students on campus use a white cane and they want to make sure the floor markings that the college is putting down is accessible to everyone. Any resources for auditory signs instead of floor markings?
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Re: Tactile Floor Markings?
Everyone has such great comments to add to the discussion. I do agree that many sighted people are ignoring the markings. I commend this college for not leaving anyone out and trying to make things more accessible for all. I suggested that they make a video talking about the markings and how they should be used and where they are located so all students are aware EVEN if they can't mark them to be as tactile as needed. I will DEFINITELY make sure they don't use any truncated domes (as that was brought up as a suggestion from them). I did find the following websites links as ideas for solutions. Thoughts?
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Thank you. It was fun to be back in trainer mode again!
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Donna, you, Janet Barlow, Beezy Bentzen and Rob Wall Emerson were in a two webinar series that looked at research based information. Janet talked about specific studies related to tactile
markings outdoors.
I thought it was very helpful information
On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 1:04:06 PM EDT, Smith, Donna <donna.smith@...> wrote:
I am very interested in this discussion as we are implementing markings on the floor of our platforms and rail cars to encourage social distancing.
I¡¯m afraid that the piecemeal approach being implemented by many different agencies and businesses around the country will make this nearly impossible to resolve quickly. Is high contrast coloring sufficient for people with significant low vision? Would textured
stencils, maybe something that is rough like sandpaper be sufficient for people using canes and perhaps not seen as something to avoid by guide dogs? The whole issue of arrows directing people up and down aisles just adds another layer.
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Thanks for letting me be not much help! <smile>
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Donna
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I think it's important to think about how people who are blind would really use tactile markings for information such as this? How would they find them? what is the real purpose
of the markings? Are we looking for and talking about something that would not really be usable and feasible?
Audible information seems more potentially usable, but I struggle with figuring out the details of how that would work too.
Janet
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On 5/12/2020 12:38 PM, Chris Tabb wrote:
Hi Sharisse,
Nothing seen in the wild yet, but for a few ideas to get the creative thoughts going¡
In sports settings, such as goal ball, the road placed on the floor with strong tape over the top allows for a tactile perimeter and
boundary lines. Similar strategies are used in theaters on stage for performers who are blind and visually impaired.
Auditory beaconing systems, similar to the ¡°locator tone¡± on many APS systems could be used for locating the next pole position or standing
spot when queuing.
?
?
Now that we are seeing more and more floor labels for direction of traffic or where to stand to maintain 6 ft distance. Is anyone seeing
any accessible markings or tactile markings??
I have just received a request from a local college that is asking for my advice as to how to mark these to make them tactile to the white
cane as most of the students on campus use a white cane and they want to make sure the floor markings that the college is putting down is accessible to everyone. Any resources for auditory signs instead of floor markings?
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Division for the Blind & Visually Impaired
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Re: Tactile Floor Markings?
Donna, you, Janet Barlow, Beezy Bentzen and Rob Wall Emerson were in a two webinar series that looked at research based information. Janet talked about specific studies related to tactile markings outdoors.
I thought it was very helpful information
On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 1:04:06 PM EDT, Smith, Donna <donna.smith@...> wrote:
I am very interested in this discussion as we are implementing markings on the floor of our platforms and rail cars to encourage social distancing. I¡¯m afraid
that the piecemeal approach being implemented by many different agencies and businesses around the country will make this nearly impossible to resolve quickly. Is high contrast coloring sufficient for people with significant low vision? Would textured stencils,
maybe something that is rough like sandpaper be sufficient for people using canes and perhaps not seen as something to avoid by guide dogs? The whole issue of arrows directing people up and down aisles just adds another layer.
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Thanks for letting me be not much help! <smile>
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Donna
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Manager Accessible Services
Sound Transit
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I think it's important to think about how people who are blind would really use tactile markings for information such as this? How would they find them? what is the real purpose of the markings? Are we looking for and talking about something that would not
really be usable and feasible?
Audible information seems more potentially usable, but I struggle with figuring out the details of how that would work too.
Janet
?
On 5/12/2020 12:38 PM, Chris Tabb wrote:
Hi Sharisse,
Nothing seen in the wild yet, but for a few ideas to get the creative thoughts going¡
In sports settings, such as goal ball, the road placed on the floor with strong tape over the top allows for a tactile perimeter and boundary lines. Similar strategies are used in theaters on stage for performers who are blind and visually
impaired.
Auditory beaconing systems, similar to the ¡°locator tone¡± on many APS systems could be used for locating the next pole position or standing spot when queuing.
?
Now that we are seeing more and more floor labels for direction of traffic or where to stand to maintain 6 ft distance. Is anyone seeing any accessible markings or tactile
markings??
I have just received a request from a local college that is asking for my advice as to how to mark these to make them tactile to the white cane as most of the students on campus
use a white cane and they want to make sure the floor markings that the college is putting down is accessible to everyone. Any resources for auditory signs instead of floor markings?
Orientation & Mobility Instructor
Division for the Blind & Visually Impaired
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Re: Tactile Floor Markings?
I am very interested in this discussion as we are implementing markings on the floor of our platforms and rail cars to encourage social distancing. I¡¯m afraid
that the piecemeal approach being implemented by many different agencies and businesses around the country will make this nearly impossible to resolve quickly. Is high contrast coloring sufficient for people with significant low vision? Would textured stencils,
maybe something that is rough like sandpaper be sufficient for people using canes and perhaps not seen as something to avoid by guide dogs? The whole issue of arrows directing people up and down aisles just adds another layer.
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Thanks for letting me be not much help! <smile>
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Donna
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Manager Accessible Services
Sound Transit
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I think it's important to think about how people who are blind would really use tactile markings for information such as this? How would they find them? what is the real purpose of the markings? Are we looking for and talking about something that would not
really be usable and feasible?
Audible information seems more potentially usable, but I struggle with figuring out the details of how that would work too.
Janet
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On 5/12/2020 12:38 PM, Chris Tabb wrote:
Hi Sharisse,
Nothing seen in the wild yet, but for a few ideas to get the creative thoughts going¡
In sports settings, such as goal ball, the road placed on the floor with strong tape over the top allows for a tactile perimeter and boundary lines. Similar strategies are used in theaters on stage for performers who are blind and visually
impaired.
Auditory beaconing systems, similar to the ¡°locator tone¡± on many APS systems could be used for locating the next pole position or standing spot when queuing.
?
Now that we are seeing more and more floor labels for direction of traffic or where to stand to maintain 6 ft distance. Is anyone seeing any accessible markings or tactile
markings??
I have just received a request from a local college that is asking for my advice as to how to mark these to make them tactile to the white cane as most of the students on campus
use a white cane and they want to make sure the floor markings that the college is putting down is accessible to everyone. Any resources for auditory signs instead of floor markings?
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Division for the Blind & Visually Impaired
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Just my thoughts on how this might work, I really am trying to stay pretty sequestered during this Covid 19 time, and the only public places I am going that have fairly high contrast, six foot separation markings, are Walgreens and Wal Mart. In both of these locations, the markings are a square on the floor, probably about nine by nine inches. In Wal Mart, they are also trying to make all of the isles one way, so the markings are green with a forward arrow if one is supposed to go down that isle in that direction, and red with a line if you are supposed to not go that way down that isle, but rather have to go down an adjoining isle, and then make a U turn to go down the one you were wanting to enter. ?For checkout lines, or lines for such places as the pharmacy counter, the squaires are blue, and spaced six feet apart. I would think that outlining the exterior of the squares with the covered rope suggested could create an indicator recognizable with cane or with the feet. (Of course I acknowledge that many guide dogs would see such markings as a barrier to go around. ) For the directional markings, I would suggest keeping the box shaped indicator, but a tactile arrow, using the same marking materials immediately to the right or left of the square would suffice for the green squares indicating that it is okay to go that way. For the red boxes indicating that it is not okay to go that way. The square should perhaps have a line running through it which is horizontal from the usual direction of approach. I think that would be more easily identified than the arrow pointing back at the traveler. ? Now that I have pontificated about this system, I must question whether it is necessary. Sighted people seem to be ignoring these markings more than 50% of the time. These symbols will be meaningless unless widely standardized with all possible outlets used to get the information out to the blind and severely visually impaired public. Michael Byington, MA, COMS, LLC Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist Co-located with Kansas Association for the Blind and Visually Impaired (785) 221-7111 (cell and voice mail) ByingtonCOMS@... (office e-mail)???? ?
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Subject: Re: [OandM] Tactile Floor Markings?? I think it's important to think about how people who are blind would really use tactile markings for information such as this? How would they find them? what is the real purpose of the markings? Are we looking for and talking about something that would not really be usable and feasible? Audible information seems more potentially usable, but I struggle with figuring out the details of how that would work too. Janet ? On 5/12/2020 12:38 PM, Chris Tabb wrote: Hi Sharisse, Nothing seen in the wild yet, but for a few ideas to get the creative thoughts going¡ In sports settings, such as goal ball, the road placed on the floor with strong tape over the top allows for a tactile perimeter and boundary lines. Similar strategies are used in theaters on stage for performers who are blind and visually impaired. Auditory beaconing systems, similar to the ¡°locator tone¡± on many APS systems could be used for locating the next pole position or standing spot when queuing.
? Now that we are seeing more and more floor labels for direction of traffic or where to stand to maintain 6 ft distance. Is anyone seeing any accessible markings or tactile markings?? I have just received a request from a local college that is asking for my advice as to how to mark these to make them tactile to the white cane as most of the students on campus use a white cane and they want to make sure the floor markings that the college is putting down is accessible to everyone. Any resources for auditory signs instead of floor markings? Orientation & Mobility Instructor Division for the Blind & Visually Impaired This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ?
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My plan is that if there are people around to social distance with, they can kindly let me know whether I need to back up or move forward. Battles need to be picked, and I am much more concerned with the vote by mail movement which threatens to relegate people
who are b/lv to giving up their independent, private and verifiable votes. If everyone else gets to stay home safely and cast their votes privately, verifiably and independently, so should we.?
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Just as truncated domes do not inherently convey there are changes in elevation ahead or street crossings ahead, time and education have helped people to learn. I did not automatically understand what the large yellow X¡¯s on the floor of the Post Office were
for, but it has now become clear that they are place markers for standing in line. This will likely be many, many months of social distancing (and possibly counted in years). We must begin somewhere.
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Mobile: 512.660.2750
On May 13, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Janet M. Barlow < jmbarlow@...> wrote:
I think it's important to think about how people who are blind would really use tactile markings for information such as this? How would they find them? what is the real purpose of the markings? Are we looking for and talking about something that
would not really be usable and feasible?
Audible information seems more potentially usable, but I struggle with figuring out the details of how that would work too.
Janet
On 5/12/2020 12:38 PM, Chris Tabb wrote:
Hi Sharisse,
Nothing seen in the wild yet, but for a few ideas to get the creative thoughts going¡
In sports settings, such as goal ball, the road placed on the floor with strong tape over the top allows for a tactile perimeter and boundary lines. Similar strategies are used in theaters on stage for performers who are blind and visually impaired.
Auditory beaconing systems, similar to the ¡°locator tone¡± on many APS systems could be used for locating the next pole position or standing spot when queuing.
¡ª
Chris Tabb
Mobile: 512.660.2750
Greetings!
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Now that we are seeing more and more floor labels for direction of traffic or where to stand to maintain 6 ft distance. Is anyone seeing any accessible markings or tactile markings??
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I have just received a request from a local college that is asking for my advice as to how to mark these to make them tactile to the white cane as most of the students on campus use a white cane and they want to make sure the floor markings that the college
is putting down is accessible to everyone. Any resources for auditory signs instead of floor markings?
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Thanks!
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Orientation & Mobility Instructor
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Just as truncated domes do not inherently convey there are changes in elevation ahead or street crossings ahead, time and education have helped people to learn. I did not automatically understand what the large yellow X¡¯s on the floor of the Post Office were for, but it has now become clear that they are place markers for standing in line. This will likely be many, many months of social distancing (and possibly counted in years). We must begin somewhere.
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On May 13, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Janet M. Barlow < jmbarlow@...> wrote:
I think it's important to think about how people who are blind
would really use tactile markings for information such as this?
How would they find them? what is the real purpose of the
markings? Are we looking for and talking about something that
would not really be usable and feasible?
Audible information seems more potentially usable, but I struggle
with figuring out the details of how that would work too.
Janet
On 5/12/2020 12:38 PM, Chris Tabb
wrote:
Hi Sharisse,
Nothing seen in the wild yet, but for a few ideas to
get the creative thoughts going¡
In sports settings, such as goal ball, the road
placed on the floor with strong tape over the top allows for a
tactile perimeter and boundary lines. Similar strategies are
used in theaters on stage for performers who are blind and
visually impaired.
Auditory beaconing systems, similar to the ¡°locator
tone¡± on many APS systems could be used for locating the next
pole position or standing spot when queuing.
¡ª
Chris Tabb
Mobile: 512.660.2750
Greetings!
?
Now that
we are seeing more and more floor labels for direction
of traffic or where to stand to maintain 6 ft
distance. Is anyone seeing any accessible markings or
tactile markings??
?
I have
just received a request from a local college that is
asking for my advice as to how to mark these to make
them tactile to the white cane as most of the students
on campus use a white cane and they want to make sure
the floor markings that the college is putting down is
accessible to everyone. Any resources for auditory
signs instead of floor markings?
?
Thanks!
?
Sharisse
Roberts, COMS
Orientation &
Mobility Instructor
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Division for the
Blind & Visually Impaired
45 Oak Street,
Suite 1
Bangor, ME? 04401
Phone:?207-441-3013
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Bravo, Janet. I would most likely never be able to find them which is how I feel about a lot of signage. Besides, Paxton would probably think they were something to be avoided. If I was looking out for it, and if the rope went across the entire pathway whatever
that means, I might find that, and I suppose I could pull out an id cane, but ?whatever the tactile marking was, unless it spanned the width, I would be too uncomfortable to go looking around for it. ?
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Blindness
Low Vision Specialist II
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On May 13, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Janet M. Barlow < Jmbarlow@...> wrote:
I think it's important to think about how people who are blind would really use tactile markings for information such as this? How would they find them? what is the real purpose of the markings? Are we looking for and talking about something that
would not really be usable and feasible?
Audible information seems more potentially usable, but I struggle with figuring out the details of how that would work too.
Janet
On 5/12/2020 12:38 PM, Chris Tabb wrote:
Hi Sharisse,
Nothing seen in the wild yet, but for a few ideas to get the creative thoughts going¡
In sports settings, such as goal ball, the road placed on the floor with strong tape over the top allows for a tactile perimeter and boundary lines. Similar strategies are used in theaters on stage for performers who are blind and visually impaired.
Auditory beaconing systems, similar to the ¡°locator tone¡± on many APS systems could be used for locating the next pole position or standing spot when queuing.
¡ª
Chris Tabb
Mobile: 512.660.2750
Greetings!
?
Now that we are seeing more and more floor labels for direction of traffic or where to stand to maintain 6 ft distance. Is anyone seeing any accessible markings or tactile markings??
?
I have just received a request from a local college that is asking for my advice as to how to mark these to make them tactile to the white cane as most of the students on campus use a white cane and they want to make sure the floor markings that the college
is putting down is accessible to everyone. Any resources for auditory signs instead of floor markings?
?
Thanks!
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Re: Tactile Floor Markings?
I think it's important to think about how people who are blind
would really use tactile markings for information such as this?
How would they find them? what is the real purpose of the
markings? Are we looking for and talking about something that
would not really be usable and feasible?
Audible information seems more potentially usable, but I struggle
with figuring out the details of how that would work too.
Janet
On 5/12/2020 12:38 PM, Chris Tabb
wrote:
Hi Sharisse,
Nothing seen in the wild yet, but for a few ideas to
get the creative thoughts going¡
In sports settings, such as goal ball, the road
placed on the floor with strong tape over the top allows for a
tactile perimeter and boundary lines. Similar strategies are
used in theaters on stage for performers who are blind and
visually impaired.
Auditory beaconing systems, similar to the ¡°locator
tone¡± on many APS systems could be used for locating the next
pole position or standing spot when queuing.
¡ª
Chris Tabb
Mobile: 512.660.2750
Greetings!
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Now that
we are seeing more and more floor labels for direction
of traffic or where to stand to maintain 6 ft
distance. Is anyone seeing any accessible markings or
tactile markings??
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I have
just received a request from a local college that is
asking for my advice as to how to mark these to make
them tactile to the white cane as most of the students
on campus use a white cane and they want to make sure
the floor markings that the college is putting down is
accessible to everyone. Any resources for auditory
signs instead of floor markings?
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Thanks!
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Sharisse
Roberts, COMS
Orientation &
Mobility Instructor
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Blind & Visually Impaired
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Suite 1
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Re: Tactile Floor Markings?
Just for safety warnings, not wayfinding.
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:46 PM Tara Nelson Bowie via <tara.nelson= [email protected]> wrote: I can not add anything to the other responders as to what might be appropriate. Their ideas are very good. I do want to provide a note, however, about what is not appropriate. The ADAAG makes it very clear that the truncated domes are to serve as HAZARD WARNINGS, and should NOT? ever be used as wayfinding devices. I have seen truncated dome detectable warnings inappropriately used as wayfinding devices in a few venues, so thought it might be worth pointing this out. ? Michael Byington, MA, COMS, LLC Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist Co-located with Kansas Association for the Blind and Visually Impaired
(785) 221-7111 (cell and voice mail) ByingtonCOMS@... (office e-mail)???? ? ? ? Yes, I suggested rope for the perimeters of the floor labels. We use rope to mark the edges of my roller derby track so we can feel when we go out of bounds as we aren't visually staring at the floor. I wish universal design called for manufacturers to think about the blind and visually impaired when they are designing the markings being used right now but alas all the websites are focused on making signs visual only, at least it is high contrast.
Sharisse
Tara Nelson Bowie, M.Ed.,TVI.,COMS
NE GA RESA Vision Coordinator
"Education is the most powerful?weapon which you can use to?change the world.¡±
Nelson Mandela
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Northeast Georgia RESA 375 Winter Street Winterville, GA 30683 706-742-8292 Ext. 333?? Fax (706)742-8928
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I can not add anything to the other responders as to what might be appropriate. Their ideas are very good. I do want to provide a note, however, about what is not appropriate. The ADAAG makes it very clear that the truncated domes are to serve as HAZARD WARNINGS, and should NOT? ever be used as wayfinding devices. I have seen truncated dome detectable warnings inappropriately used as wayfinding devices in a few venues, so thought it might be worth pointing this out. ? Michael Byington, MA, COMS, LLC Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist Co-located with Kansas Association for the Blind and Visually Impaired
(785) 221-7111 (cell and voice mail) ByingtonCOMS@... (office e-mail)???? ? ? ? Yes, I suggested rope for the perimeters of the floor labels. We use rope to mark the edges of my roller derby track so we can feel when we go out of bounds as we aren't visually staring at the floor. I wish universal design called for manufacturers to think about the blind and visually impaired when they are designing the markings being used right now but alas all the websites are focused on making signs visual only, at least it is high contrast.
Sharisse
-- Tara Nelson Bowie, M.Ed.,TVI.,COMS
NE GA RESA Vision Coordinator
"Education is the most powerful?weapon which you can use to?change the world.¡±
Nelson Mandela
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Re: Tactile Floor Markings?
I can not add anything to the other responders as to what might be appropriate. Their ideas are very good. I do want to provide a note, however, about what is not appropriate. The ADAAG makes it very clear that the truncated domes are to serve as HAZARD WARNINGS, and should NOT? ever be used as wayfinding devices. I have seen truncated dome detectable warnings inappropriately used as wayfinding devices in a few venues, so thought it might be worth pointing this out. ? Michael Byington, MA, COMS, LLC Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist Co-located with Kansas Association for the Blind and Visually Impaired 712 S. Kansas Avenue, Suite 410 Topeka, Kansas 66603 (785) 221-7111 (cell and voice mail) ByingtonCOMS@... (office e-mail)???? ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roberts, Sharisse G
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [OandM] Tactile Floor Markings?? Yes, I suggested rope for the perimeters of the floor labels. We use rope to mark the edges of my roller derby track so we can feel when we go out of bounds as we aren't visually staring at the floor. I wish universal design called for manufacturers to think about the blind and visually impaired when they are designing the markings being used right now but alas all the websites are focused on making signs visual only, at least it is high contrast.
Sharisse
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Re: Tactile Floor Markings?
These can be used for indoor as well if used for the surface mounting vs the concrete mounting, however the warning surface below?is usually your best choice.?
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? Have been used for small indoor spaces for tactile recognition.?
? Great for indoor stairs/flooring
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On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 12:57 PM < mitchh@...> wrote: Traction tape, grit tape, non-skid, non-slip tape may be appropriate in these situations.? Is available in a variety of colors, including a transparent version.? Most are detectable from surrounding floor surfaces, but you should probably run a trial for the specific tape you are considering to check for cane detection qualities.??
-- Tara Nelson Bowie, M.Ed, TVI., COMS Coordinator of Vision Services Certified Teacher for the VI, Certified Orientation?and Mobility Specialist
Northeast Georgia RESA 375 Winter Street Winterville, GA 30683 706-742-8292 Ext. 333?? Fax (706)742-8928
Website:
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Re: Tactile Floor Markings?
Traction tape, grit tape, non-skid, non-slip tape may be appropriate in these situations.? Is available in a variety of colors, including a transparent version.? Most are detectable from surrounding floor surfaces, but you should probably run a trial for the specific tape you are considering to check for cane detection qualities.??
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Re: Tactile Floor Markings?
I have had the same thoughts about this floor markings not being accessible to blind people.? What type of tactile marker could be placed that would not be a tripping hazard? I have found when wearing my mask that my lower field is compromised.
Yes, I suggested rope for the perimeters of the floor labels. We use rope to mark the edges of my roller derby track so we can feel when we go out of bounds as we aren't visually staring at the floor. I wish universal design called for manufacturers to think about the blind and visually impaired when they are designing the markings being used right now but alas all the websites are focused on making signs visual only, at least it is high contrast.
Sharisse
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Re: Tactile Floor Markings?
Yes, I suggested rope for the perimeters of the floor labels. We use rope to mark the edges of my roller derby track so we can feel when we go out of bounds as we aren't visually staring at the floor. I wish universal design called for manufacturers to think about the blind and visually impaired when they are designing the markings being used right now but alas all the websites are focused on making signs visual only, at least it is high contrast.
Sharisse
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The benefit of this list multiplies
I am a retired O&M but I keep my ear very close to the accessibility ground. I get the list emails and emails from ADA regional centers, the Access Board, the Bike Ped People, Walk America etc? .
I share the content of many of the emails with my friend the VRT at my former employer. She and the other O&M's and VRT's around the state are working from home. I hear directly and indirectly that the resources from this list and the other places are very much appreciated.
I have participated in some excellent webinars etc. and have also successfully encouraged our city? traffic engineer to take the opportunity to do likewise at this time.
Hope all are well and safe
Freda Tepfer M ED COMS (for another month and a half)?
Erie PA
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Re: [OrientationAndMobility] Covid 19 remote instruction
Nope, Parm, aka Cheeseball, was part of the P litter through GDB ? ? Jen ?
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Sent: May 12, 2020 2:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [OandM] [OrientationAndMobility] Covid 19 remote instruction? Jen, I have another friend who has a guide dog named ¡°Chedder.¡± I am curious as to whether they might be from the same litter. I know some schools are doing theme names instead of alphabetical ones these days. ?I feel sorry for anyone who might have gotten ¡°Limburger¡± though. ? Michael Byington, MA, COMS, LLC Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist Co-located with Kansas Association for the Blind and Visually Impaired
(785) 221-7111 (cell and voice mail) ByingtonCOMS@... (office e-mail)???? ? ? ? Old post, but I¡¯m bringing back to the fore-front and asking the group to share their own learning experiences. What has worked? What positive experiences you¡¯ve had during the last two months¡ ? What are future plans? ? This was on the old group, but it was and has been fascinating reading (I am always behind emails!) ? Jen and Parmesan ? ? Thanks so much for these ideas so far! I'm excited to check out all of these resources! I love some of these activities you named Diane! I can't wait to sit down and check them out. ? I LOVE this discussion! I¡¯m working on an O&M virtual learning post . . . can I use your ideas listed here? This week, Paths to Technology has added a number of virtual instruction posts - check them out! I want to add some additional thoughts: - Provide specific questions about an O&M related app for the student to research and explore: How would you use (name app) when riding a new bus route?
- Have the student determine specific routes using tech and then be ablate give directions to a driver. (Route from school or other community location to student¡¯s home). Be sure to include landmarks! Allow the student to ask family or friends about important landmarks along the way.
- Have the student create and organize a digital file about routes he has learned in O&M lessons (can be school routes, community routes or routes inside businesses)
- Create tactile maps: of home, school, community, and/or inside local businesses - depending on the student¡¯s level.?
- Younger students: download and read teacher-created O&M-related ePub books available on Paths to Technology?
- ?(community O&M lesson - notice that the book mirrors self-familiarization techniques - the pages are in same order as Cody walks around the perimeter walls.)
- COMS, student or family members can create O&M related books and share with us via Paths to Technology!
- Blindfold games with O&M concepts (mental mapping, cardinal directions, grids right/left, etc.)
- Coding Concept activities with O&M concepts (grids, mental mapping, routes, etc.)?
- Find or assign Veroniiiica¡¯s posts about using tech to visit various places or how she uses various apps (She has over 100 posts - too many to list here!)
- Have a student transitioning to college? Lots of blog posts on this, including?
? On Mar 13, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Chris Tabb <chris@...> wrote: ? Kathy,? We can never ¡°make¡± a student learn; we can only help to shape the environment for learning to occur. The ¡°distance¡± will make this more challenging and our role is to be creative as possible in helping connect the learners we work with to have resources, motivation to learn, and positive examples to be inspired by. It will all be a learning process for both the learner and the teachers. ? ? These are all great ideas...you all are very dedicated. I guess in my experience I always try to give student/families real world home/community activities, but follow thru is weak At best...just wondering w all the national stress over everything if you really believe students/families will welcome/do such activities? Or is it just our role to offer? Respectfully proud of all your efforts to alter how we do what we do. Kathy, COMS Maine? Kathy,? life has just got to be lived! ? On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Chris Tabb <chris@...> wrote:
?Great ideas Kevin!!! For some students who do not have WiFi or smartphones with cameras in the home, the remote instruction may be more like playing the tech support role (with the ¡°tech¡± being O&M concepts). This might looking like being on a call with student and possibly parents while they build a tactile map of the child¡¯s room or the home together, practice some basic strategies, etc. This LiveBinder () has some resources about remote instruction (teletherapy, telehealth, etc.) to show ways that students and families may be served; specifically, there is a section with some video examples from other related fields that can be a great starting point for developing O&M ideas. The?emphasis here is on how we can creatively continue services in whatever way possible. Here are some ideas to get the creative process going and growing¡ Sending ¡°homework¡± activities for planning travel, such as the student using their smartphone to plan routes, public transportation options, etc.
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Asking parents to facilitate students making tactile maps of their room, home, etc. (this might be with construction paper, dry noodles, Elmer¡¯s glue, etc.)
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Asking parents to hold camera on computer or smart device connecting with Zoom so that you can encourage development of skills like upper and lower body protective techniques.
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Concepts that can be taught remotely over phone, Zoom, etc. ? Odd/Even for address systems ? Cardinal directions and clockface orientation ? ? Great question - I'm looking forward to this think tank, too!? For many kids, they will simply go into a "compensatory situation" in that we cannot provide the required instruction. We too were told that we cannot have student contact, especially in the community. So, if we cannot implement a lesson we will indicate the unavailability and tact them on down the road.? I'm going to develop some self-recorded videos for my students with low vision to explore the use of maps , web-based maps, and apps. Then, I plan to use Google Hangouts and/or JoinMe to deliver some live streaming (I hope). For my students who learn tactually, I'm going to develop some tactile maps (based off APH's Tactile Graphics resource from long ago) which will include some objectives and stories to develop map skills. I also plan to mail the kids some supplies for them to create maps of their home, neighborhood, grandma's house, etc. I'm at a loss what to do with cane instruction - I'm gonna lean on the family to get them out for some spring time walks and consider using FaceTime or Google Hangouts if the family is willing/able.? I'd love the field to drop some of these lessons into a live binder - like a pool of rainy day lessons.?
Hello all!? I am currently in the situation that my school districts are closing in person instruction for at least two weeks and some up to five weeks at this point. There are still a lot of questions about logistics, but it is sounding like instruction will need to occur remotely. Most students have access to Internet at home while a few may not. There may be the chance to work with some students in the community but I've been told to maintain a distance of 6 feet from my students and their families.? I'm sure many of you are in the same boat. I love the advice this group has and look forward to hearing ideas from you on how you plan to implement O and M instruction while in this situation. I have student of all ages and all levels. Let's hear those creative ideas....ready, go! This e-mail transmission from the Francis Howell School District including any accompanying data or files is confidential and is intended only for the use of the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, an addressee, or the person responsible for delivering this to an addressee, you are hereby notified that reading, using, copying, or distributing any part of this message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please notify the sender at the email address above, delete this email from your computer, and destroy any copies in any form immediately. Improper retention of this e-mail and any attachment(s) to this e-mail could subject you to legal action under pertinent federal and state statutes, and result in civil and criminal penalties.?_______________________________________________
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