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Alright, alright balls in my court eh? I'm relatively numb all over today, we had to unload and 18 wheeler full of 1200 bales of wood shavings (bedding) today in 2 hrs (the time the driver is alloted), so with physical exhaustion often comes giddiness, so thats a good time to do stuff such as this.... how bout: LOONIES-- lovers of observing nifty interesting extraterrestrial sights I liked OAF --fargle-bargle though its taken @$#%%#& I like Rolands suggestion--The Guerrilla Amateur Group for Astronomy -- G.A.G.A. for short ). STP --silly telescope people AWL- astronomers without lederhosen OSA-- outrageously silly astronomers ---Mike "my hovercraft is full of eels" Wirths

And now, names that rhyme with "I don't have a clue!" BOO - Bogus Observers of Ottawa ( good for Hallow'een full moons ) AAOO! - Amateur Astronomy Observers of Ottawa ( Easy to Howl ) POO - People Observing in Ottawa ( same old same old ) FOO - Friends Observing in Ottawa ( FOO-figthters? ) So many names, so few polls, ;-) Roland PS - I have now deleted the messages I'd written that might be considered offensive, ( except for this message, of course.)

How about: SQOT Sidewalks in Quebec and Ontario Too UGH!! FOO Friends Observing in Ottawa Foo WHO?! FLOSS Friends Living and Observing on Sity Sidewalks ooh Miss Bradley my grade 4 teacher would not be happy!!! OF Observing Friends Hmmmmmmmmmmm...simple... OUI Observing Union Incorporated JUST SAY NO!!! POOP Photon Observing in Ottawa Pals Nuff Said!!! MPP Monty Python & Photons RCMP Really Cheezy Monty Python OOMP Ottawa Observing and Monty Python Or my Personal favourite Photonics Incorporated..........PI Your turn guys!! Ricardo

I LOVE STARRY KNIGHTS!!!!!! Is it too gender specific??...taken??.. It has me all a titter!!! Any reason why we can't consider this other than a GIRL came up with it (this is the point where I pull Janice's braids)?!?!? Richard "You don't really have any cheese at all, do you?" "Of course we do Sir...we're a Cheese Shop!!" "I see......." "Stilton? No! Camenbert? Not a slice? "Cheddar? No, not much call for that around here!" "NOT MUCH CALL FOR IT?!??!? ITS THE MOST POPULAR CHEESE IN BRITAIN!!!" "Not around here Sir!" > > Hum. . . I'd say it's a close race between AAOO, STP, OOMP and OAF. > > Actually. . . AMASOT is starting to look pretty good right about now! > > > Until tomorrow, oh Starry Knights! (couldn't resist! :) ) > > Lady J

sure lets do a vote, I like both OAFS and Starry Knights, could'nt we incorporate starry knights into the group description somehow? Athough if I'm gonna be "dobed" make it a small dob ....please!! I think Mike Zeidler, Jean Dorais,Rb Robotham are prime to want to join if they knew, Mike even mentioned in an e-mail that a new e-group could be made ;) Frank Bayerl would join too. ALBATROSS!!!!! -Mike

My two faves are: OAFS - lends itself well to MontyP and Astronomy motif. Also, it might slightly reduce hostile attacks on us if we admit straight off that we are OAFS. Would you attack OAFS without serious cause? I mean, where's the glory in that?! So the lower the standards, the more you get away with. A definite advantage. Starry Knights - same as above for MontyP, with possibly even more potential for silly mischief! examples: "We hereby 'dob' thee: Lady Janice of Tokar, Starry Knight !" ;-) "The Endless Quest for the Holy Eyepiece!" "Shrubbery!" Rol

Great! I propose a poll be made up to include the following names: 1- OAFS 2- AMASOT 3- STARRY KNIGHTS If I forgot one you like, counter-propose soon! ( I slightly prefer OAFS at this fime.) Photonically, Rol

The curtain drops on Amasot (where knights would dance and prance alot). . . To new beginnings, my fellow OAFiuchians! Jan (Humm...would that make our fearless Moderator Alpha OAFiuchi?? Sounds too hierarchical, I suppose. . . unless we let him use the title only on the second Wednesday of every month that begins with the letter "M". No, definitely too silly.)

The following OAFs poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Choose a name for this group. (If you think a choice is missing, post it during the voting and we will restart the vote. However, if you require people to re-enter their vote, we may require you to recite the entire cheese shop sketch.) Vote ends when when all members of amasot as of 2001-3-14 have voted. CHOICES AND RESULTS - amasot, 0 votes, 0.00% - oafs, 5 votes, 100.00% - starry_knights, 0 votes, 0.00% - none of the above, abstain, or I dont feel like voting., 0 votes, 0.00% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OAFs For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/

Hey fellow Kniggets, ettes, Its a fine warm day out there (love the sound of melting snow!), so if its a fine night I'll be out after 7ish anyone wanting to join me can! ---hey this scene from Grail has a reference to a "Saint Atila" ;>) LOL!!! better shine up that halo Attilla!! ;) BROTHER: "And Saint Atila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, 'Oh, Lord, bless this thy hand grenade that with it thou mayest blow thy enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin, and people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large --" MAYNARD: Skip a bit, Brother. BROTHER: "And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thou foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.'" MAYNARD: Amen. Amen...I mean clear skies Mike

Gee. Picking a name was fun. The topic had come up in a post by Richard about making our mailing list public. I suggest we do two things, 1. check that everyone is happy with the charter 2. cleanup the archives so the messages there are about astronomy (or monty python) And then check eveyone is cool with opening the list to all. I'd like to suggest a way to do number 2 first. Rather than delete all of the non-astronmical postings that we make, every time some topic comes up that generates non-astronomical discussion. I ...ahem... suggest we create a second group for talking about how to run OAFs. Err. Let me know if you guys think this is too complicated. But my suggestion is a. create another group called, say "OAFs-voting" b. make the charter something like: "A list for discussing how to run OAFs. Any member of OAFs may join this list. Any member of this list may start a poll about how to run OAFs, provided they discuss it in postings here first. Astronomical, observing and fun posts belong in the OAFs list. All posting must be civil. They may also be silly, if you feel like it." c. move our non-astromomical postings from OAFs to OAFs-voting I suggest this because its a way of having the discussions we've has about list names, going public, and charters in a nice place with no censorship and still keep the OAFs list about astronomy. It would even give us a place to talk about now to deal with other clubs, if we really had to. Feel free to tell me this is too complicated. But if people agree, i'd be happy to set up such a mailing list. (It's trivial.) I hope that traffic on OAFs would always exceed traffic on OAFs-voting. If nothing else. It would relax the requirement to refer to monty python in non-astromonical postings. Oops. That means this posting. err.. "Tell me again how pigs bladders may be used to prevent earthquakes." -ad

--- In OAFs@y..., r.prevost@h... wrote: > --- In OAFs@y..., attilla.danko@s... wrote: > > Gee. Picking a name was fun. > > > > a. create another group called, say "OAFs-voting" etc. etc. > > YES. YES. YES. Ok. I have created a group where we can yak about how to run OAFs. I've called it OAFuscators, largely because I'm too tired to think of a better one. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OAFuscators > Um... could "we" create such a group right away, and then go there to > debate and vote on whether "we" should create such a group in the > first place? I'd like to suggest a really simple way of voting on the creation of OAFuscators. If you think the list is a good idea, subscribe to it and start posting. If you think its a bad idea, don't join it. Post here instead. As like last time, everyone gets a veto. Post here if you think this is a bad idea. After we have heard from everyone in thronging masses of OAFs (all 5 of us), it should be clear if we agree to accecpt OAFuscators or not. If we do accept OAFuscators, we can immediately change its name if people want. We can also change its charter and anything else with a vote. The mandate of OAFuscators will be re-affirmed everytime someone choose to put an posting that would have been off-topic for OAFs there instead of on OAFS. As for going public, I'd say, if people feel like it sure. Feel free to create a vote or otherwise state your opinion. If you like, use OAFuscators to do that. Clear skies. -ad ps. great observing seesion at mikes tonight. Care to post a report, mike? Hey, that would be the first on-topic post in a while. oops. Obligatory monty-python: Maitre D: And finally, monsieur, a wafer-thin email-list. Mr Creosote: No. Maitre D: Oh sir! It's only a tiny little thin one.

Oh brave Knights of Antioch or OAFs....if the weather be fair on yon Saturday coming, I intend to be at the Kanata Chapters to do some sidewalk astronomy (being as I have to go to foul Toronto for one week on Sunday!!) Mike Zeigler will be there as well. Knight on, fair Knight...be ye yet a witch..." Richard

Gracious host, and sharer of the finest astro-toys, Mike Wirths, invited us out to his observatory last night. Only Terrence Dickinson and I were lucky enough to take up Mike on his offer. Mike and I had fun reminding Terrence that he's been aperture deprived for so long. Terrence is fine company and an interesting person. The fame and glory of owning a magazine has not ruined him for the company of mere guys like Mike and me. We yakked a hell of a lot. We spent a lot of time discussing binoviewers, intensifier eyepieces, Terrence's 18" still on order, how many telescopes Terrence has had (33 total, 8 now), why you _need_ four refractors, what Markus Ludes is like in person, the joys and anquish of being a magazine publisher, the esthetics of just plain looking through the eyepiece, why a N31 isnt necessarily better than a Panoptic 35, the expletive scale of seeing, tube currents vs seeing, the Wirths test, how dark the sky is, Terrence's frozen-shut observatory roof, Sky&Tel vs Astronomy magazine, why Ontario has better seeing than it gets credit for, the irony that some people who don't like astronomy can seen 1.5 magnitudes deeper than us, wives and girlfriends, the problems with contractors, accomodations at TSP, the horrors of camping, TMB vs Astro-physics, why Roland Christen is a cool guy, the importance of a warm-room, dislike of ladders, why Discovery Channel guys are so much cooler than CTV guys, why TLC sucks, the joys of owning horses, why its good for Terrence for lots of people to buy ETXs, how to deal with annoying email, mirror cooling, secret places with excellent seeing (a certain back-yard in san-diego), why NGC891 is pretty but hard to see, why one telescope isnt enough, good starparties to go to, and the joy of observing. Oh yeah, we also looked at at stuff. Seeing was only so so. But we spend a fair time looking at jupiter -- mostly because it seemed like it would be one of our last chances. The only unusual detail was a dark thickening, sort of like a huge barge, at the edge of the north tropical band and north equatorial zone. Saturn was just plain pretty. There seemed to be more than the usual number of satellites visble. However, I really think Saturn does not have three Titans. So those two bright things to the south of Saturn were probably field stars. I havent checked yet. M51 showed spiral structure even in the lightdome of Perth. I could find IC434 but not B33. (Lately i've been trying to see the horsehead (b33) without a filter.) Hubbles variable nebula in the binoviewer was really pretty. The IC open cluster near M35 made a neat contrast. The pup, raspberry and sombrero were all too low to see. But (Dont we have cool jargon in this hobby?) But M3 and M42 were welcome and familliar treats. M94, M95 and that nearby NGC thingy made a very pretty trio that just fit in Mike's 22 nagler in his 18". NGC4546 was just plain cool. Fairly soon, the air cooled to dewpoint and the eyepices began fogging. M104 is "interesting" to find with a fogged eyepice. Then Terrence and I wimped out. It was quite early (21:45). Bloody day-jobs. They intrude on our true and honorable calling of observing and shooting the sh*t with friends. To good company under clear skies, -ad

Unfortunately I have too much too do in too little time to read all the messages already here (well any, actually) or post any really useful information (or Python references). Is other British humour accepted (e.g. Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy??)? Maybe while I'm away I'll be able to sneak over to this web site a few times. I certainly will in a week and a bit. This will be a lot easier than sending email around (gee, I bet that's why it was set up, huh?). Cheers! Rob

No it isn't!! It's mearly a flesh wound! Well it felt like it for awhile, but now all is well. I was very happy to recieve an email from Mike letting everyone know abou OAFs. I am happy to participate. Matt Weeks

Ah... Sir Matt of Weeks! A warm gracious welcome to you. Glad to see your name added to this merry band of OAFs. I shall inform your ex-(3x Barlow) of the news forthwith. I'm sure it will be quite excited at the propect. Photons are free Rol

Rumours of our demise is vastly overestimated!!! Anon I ABSOLUTELY must go observing tonight!!! It looks like tonight will be better than last night (crummy!). I am leaning towards either the Carp site (never been) or the FLO. Any other suggestions Starry Knights? Richard

--- In OAFs@y..., Richard Harding <rharding@i...> wrote: > I ABSOLUTELY must go observing tonight!!! Hi Richard! Observing!?! I'm in! Between Carp Airport and FLO, the latter would be the darker of the two sites ( by 0.5 to 1.0 magnitudes). We'd need to check road conditions for their entrance. ALso, if other dark site options become available, let me know, and we'll adapt. My Main Targets: Hubble's Variable Nebula. Thor's Hammer, but with OIII filter. Tons of Virgo Galaxies, of course. Time to hit the Photon Trail, Buckaroos!! ;-) Rol

Or should it be up there.... Count me in. Have telescope will travel. Mike