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Re: Observing Report, April 13
Bruce McGlashan
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From: rob.robotham@... <rob.robotham@...> To: OAFs@... <OAFs@...> Date: April 14, 2001 20:30 Subject: [OAFs] Re: Observing Report, April 13 [snip] Mike Z was looking at something (a galaxy? there were a lot observed)LOL! Hey, I'll provide the plugs and caps if you'll wear them next time. Oh, and I get the photo rights. 8-) [snip] Mike Z.'s 1/50 sec deep sky picture.You know, when that happened, I heard the shutter close, and I knew something didn't sound right, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Maybe that's what they call "the shock of the new", or in computer terms, my photography database seems to have been swapped out for all this new astronomy stuff. [snip] The one downside of being out with you guys - you can make thingsWell said. Part way through the evening, I stopped taking notes and just drank in the experience. Now I've got to go back and try to remember what I did/saw/learned. 8-( |
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Re: Observing Report, April 13
--- In OAFs@y..., rob.robotham@a... wrote:
Some of my recollections: Yeah, what a great laugh that was... For those of you who have "Thekind of face formation.(includes m84 & 86 I think).Which I believe Roland was describing as being a face - someone else Backyard Astronomer" book handy, you can see what I call 'the face' on page 159, except that we were looking at it sideways in the scope. Matt's amazing jumping hat. Someone ought to bring some duct tape -Or an industrial power stapler! ;-) Or to be more verbose - wow, what was your count after two years (IAs of May 24th 2000 # of observing sessions was 209. It has been a slightly tough year indeed, Rob. I don't know if you realize it, but last night was a very unique night indeed, for the details that we could see in the skies. The stuff of observing legends... BTW - Janice, who missed all this by being stuck at home with some work, almost assaulted me with a large size roll of Jumbo Paper towels when she realized what she'd missed. Thankfully, Love prevailed at the last moment, saving my head from her envious blows... ;-) Mike said on the phone to me today: "Wasn't that just amazing!?" To which I replied: "Bet that's why you build it in the first place." He said: "Yeah... exactly." There's no more to say. Roland (aka Photonman) |
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Re: Observing Report, April 13
Bruce McGlashan
Great report, Matt. Your marvelous descriptions of things that I had looked
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at too revealed to me the difference that experience (and maybe better eyes) makes in observing. Gotta get me more of that experience! Here are my newbie additions to your report: First off, a galaxies-worth of "thank you"s to Mike Wirths for his hospitality and the use of his facilities. I had heard about Equuleus from past reports, and my experience exceeded the high expectations I had formed. Mike let me set up my new G-8 in a corner of the observatory, and what a wonderful way to observe! Carpet on the floor (no muddy knees using the telrad against high objects), no wind to speak of, no dew (does the observatory act as a giant dew shield?), and the heated break room! While the highlight of the evening/year/hobby were the amazing views in the 25" Dob, a close second had to be locating for the first time on my own M3, M13, M92 and Eta Lyrae, using Roland's excellent directions. M3 in particular was a thrill, because I had been looking for it since you (Matt) showed it to me during the winter. The icing on the cake was showing Mike Z how to find M3, M13 and M92, and he found them. Roland spent a good portion of the night helping Mike and I with various things. The first thing he said to me when he arrived was that he had brought his observing chair for me to try. It worked great, and I can add another item to my "must get" list now. Roland explained the collimation process to me, and we worked on tweaking the collimation on the G-8. We talked about star colours, and looked at Albireo (Beta Cygni), the famous Double-Double (Eta Lyrae), and the "Garnet Star" Epsilon Lyrae (shortly after I had looked at Mars in the binocs, for comparison). We also discussed sketching, and I showed him an erasing shield, a tool I used to use in drafting to erase small, specific parts of a diagram without erasing the surrounding area. Somebody else was in on that discussion (sorry, I've forgotten who), and I think he thought it was a shape template. It isn't, and it doesn't work well as one (from experience), because the stamped steel shreds the pencil point. Anyways, Roland, thanks a million. For the second night in a row, you have progressed my understanding of astronomy and observing by an enormous amount, and I am very grateful. One other thing that we all found amusing was a new technique for helping newbies like myself find an object. We borrowed Attilla's laser pointer, located the target in one scope, guided the pointer operator to the target using that scope, then had the other person find the green line in the other scope. Sounds silly and impractical (which it is), but we had fun doing it regardless. It actually degraded into a game of who can locate invisible (naked-eyed) objects most accurately, and who has the steadiest hand on the pointer. Attilla also pointed the laser into the EP of the 25" scope, to show us what it was aimed at. I had no expectation that it would work (getting the laser aligned that accurately), but it did! As expected, it was weaker, but somewhat illustrative. The more I see that laser pointer, the more I think it is much more than a toy or curiosity; it is a valuable and versatile teaching tool. After two consecutive late nights observing, I was a little worried about the drive home. Turns out, I was so buzzed from the great time we had, I was wide awake long after I got home. Thanks again to everyone who made this such a memorable session. Let's be sure to do it again sometime soon! -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Weeks <mweeks@...> To: OAFs@... <OAFs@...> Date: April 14, 2001 13:16 Subject: [OAFs] Observing Report, April 13 Hello All, Here is my report: Equuleus Observatory Report Date: April 13, 2001 Time: 9:00pm-2:30am Limiting Magnitude: 6.4 Seeing: 8/10 Transparency: Excellent Roland Prevost, Attilla Danko, Bruce McGlashan, Mike Zielder, Rob Robotham and myself joined Mike Wirth at his most excellent observatory in Perth for a night of wonder. The drive out to Perth was one of held breath, as the sky was mostly cloudy all the way there. Bruce and I arrived to find Mike W and Mike Z already in the observatory, a look up confirmed that the sky was indeed clearing nicely. Roland, Attilla and Rob soon joined us. By 9 PM the sky was mostly clear and very transparent. Later, remarks were made that this was one of the best nights ever at the observatory. The combination of very transparent skies and good seeing made for many memorable views of the spring's showpiece objects. Conversations ran the gambit from Monty Python to the age of the universe ("some of those scientists are just plain wrong!."ad) to that rush you get when you have a night like this. Great company!!! Most of what we saw I can never hope to describe accurately but I'll give it a try! M51: Holy S**t!!!!!, Good God!!!!, "catch me I'm gonna fall off this ladder!!!!", these were a few of the catch phrases most commonly used to describe this site the whole evening, we just kept going back to it! When I first leaned in to have a look I couldn't breathe for a second. The spiral structure was EASY to see! The arms were tightly wound and were mottled in appearance. I rolled my eye around and absorbed all the detail I could all the while listing off all the descriptive swear words that came to my mind. Then Mike W said " yeah, isn't it cool, you can even see detail in the companion!", The companion! I hadn't even paid any attention to the companion I was so enraptured with M51, when I focused my attention there I almost fell off the ladder again! I could see a definite thick bar like structure with a curved arm off each end, one was very obviously attached to M51 proper! Talk about the "observers high", what a rush!! M101: Huge!! This is a big galaxy. The spiral structure was easy to see here as well and all the same descriptive words apply!! The spiral structure is not as compact as M51 but the arms showed almost the same amount of mottling. Attilla said to have a look around and you should find some satellite galaxies. So, I did, and found many! Later in the night when it was placed in a darker portion of the sky, we returned and there were many more galaxies to be seen in neiborhood. Very cool! NGC 2392: The Eskimo nebula. Very cool!! Viewed with high power through the 18 inch it was stunning. The nebula, I felt, had a greenish tinge to it. The central star was easy and when the seeing was at its best the inner hood was visible with direct vision! NGC 2371/2: Planetary neb. This is a double lobed or Bi-polar planetary. Viewed through the 18 inch the two lobes were quite obviously connected and I could detect the central star 50% of the time. Not very colourful, but a neat sight none the less. "The Double Quasar": With guidance from Mike W and Attilla I was able to locate this very distant object. I was able to hold the "fuzzy star" about 70% of the time and when the seeing was its best it most defiantly split. This quasar has a red shift, which suggests it is 8.5 billion light years away. It is being gravitationally lensed by a galaxy cluster between it and us which is why it appears double and is bright enough for the 25inch to pick up. I believe I heard someone say it has a visual magnitude of 15? This is by far the most distant object I have ever seen, I still can't believe I have seen about half way back to the Big Bang!!! M81 and M82: Very cool!! Using Rob's "Termi-nagler"(aka "the holy hand grenade") 81 and 82 were fit in to the same field of view in the 25 inch. M82 was obviously a galaxy that has had something bad happen to it. The fact that it is an irregular galaxy was easy to see with this view. The dark lane, which slices across the middle, was obvious and the whole galaxy looked very textured. I then swung my attention to M81. When looked for, I could see two spiral arms, one on either side of the bright nucleus. There were other very memorable sights seen this night, like the sombrero with its very interesting dark lane, the spindle, the black eye and a new "mystery" galaxy companion to 4565? I'll let the others comment on these and the other amazing events of the night!! Matt "where's my hat?" Weeks Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Re: Observing Report, April 13
Some of my recollections:
- Nine Virgo galaxies in one field of "Termi-Nagler" view - forminga kind of face formation.(includes m84 & 86 I think).Which I believe Roland was describing as being a face - someone else was up the 25" (Matt??) and was asking whether two of the galaxies were Roland's nose. Which needless to say got misinterpreted ;-) I think later on the cluster was being described as "Roland's face" or "Roland's galaxies" or some such. Mike Z was looking at something (a galaxy? there were a lot observed) when a meteor went through his field of view) and later both myself on the 18" and Mike W on the 25" were observing another galaxy (sorry I really don't have the names down - or rather numbers) when a meteor went through the field of view and we both saw it. Synchronized galaxy/meteor watching. All we needed was nose plugs and bathing caps. General discussions that a reasonable route to happiness would just be to give all our money to Rick Singmaster (Starmaster) and "Uncle Al" Nagler. I can certainly vouch that a big Nagler is one way to win friends and influence people ;-) Too bad its wasted on you people 'cause you're too darn friendly (and generous with knowledge and toys) for it to make any difference. Lots of satellites. Mike Z.'s 1/50 sec deep sky picture. Mike realizing that he'd left his camera lens piggy backed on his scope long after removing the camera. Matt's amazing jumping hat. Someone ought to bring some duct tape - we'd take care of that! Roland wrote: P.S.- This was observing session #289 for me - only 10 more to getLuck Or to be more verbose - wow, what was your count after two years (I have to imagine last year put a bit of a crimp in your observing). I'm still gradually learning the sky, and while last fall (the very interesting session on Armstrong Rd. (or is it Anderson?, I keep getting the two names mixed up) with Richard and...) I managed to learn (before going out) where a few things were - and find them by myself, I haven't done much of that lately. The one downside of being out with you guys - you can make things even easier than a GOTO scope. So right now I still feel like a tourist - one day I hope to become a resident. And in closing - lots of thanks to Mike for having us out there (and getting rid of the clouds and other junk in the air). Rob |
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Re: Cadets at Mike's tonite - on!
--- In OAFs@y..., r.prevost@h... wrote:
Mike welcomes anyone who had intended on coming to assist, but alsoThis is good to hear, 'cause first of all I'm at home writing this now instead of being on the road (or being there). And secondly if I was on the road, I'd probably nodd off and be off the road. Seems like a bad thing. Anyone want an alarm clock that will reliably wake up at 6:30 +/- 5 minutes and that doesn't have a snooze button? And isn't affected by power outages or dead batteries? And that can't be reset from 6:30?? Oh yeah, and he answers to "David", atleast he is cheerful as he drags you back to the world of consciousness. Rob |
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Cadets at Mike's tonite - on!
Just got off the phone with Mike Wirths and Jean Dorais. Due to the
iffy state of the weather, substantially fewer cadets are attending. Mike welcomes anyone who had intended on coming to assist, but also says that he does not need the help, as there will be three adults there with the few cadets. Since there' enough people to do a good job of it according to Mike, Janice and I will not be attending out there this evening. So here's hoping the skies are clear for the cadets, you guys. Best of luck! Roland |
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Re: Observing Report, April 13
--- In OAFs@y..., r.prevost@h... wrote:
A most excellent report there Matt,Indeed Here are a few of the other items seen that I can remember: Hmm, here are a few more: IC4616, the 15th magnitude galaxy between NGC6207 and M13 M42 (with 1/5th aperture of the 25") m64 m106 ngc3079. we just zipped past it on the way to the double quasar. ngc3073, the little companion to ngc3079 zodiacal light Double cluster in Perseus Beehive Pleades the big open cluster in Coma Bereneces a number of meteors that caused even more yelling. Some things I tried for that I didnt see: - IC1296, the 15th mag galaxy in the same high power view as M57 - horsehead, without a filter. not a trace. - aurora It was a night to remember. -ad |
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Re: Observing Report, April 13
A most excellent report there Matt, with all the main highlights.
Janice and I read it together and two lines made us laugh out loud. 1- Catch me I'm gonna fall off this ladder. ( 10 sec. chuckles ) 2- M82 was obviously a galaxy that has had something bad happen to it. ( that one made us laugh for a whole minute - couldn't stop - funny!) Here are a few of the other items seen that I can remember: - Nine Virgo galaxies in one field of "Termi-Nagler" view - forming a kind of face formation.(includes m84 & 86 I think). - M3 Globular cluster with many stars resolved - M13 Globular with "dark lanes" showing in front of it and propeller - NGC 6207 - companion to M13 in same field of view - 3D distances - NGC2903 - barred spiral with a clear bar and end spirals showing. - M57 - very large and very green with nearby galaxy showing - On the smaller scopes: Epsilon Lyr, the garnet star in Cepheus, M92 - Ghost of Jupiter - Hubble's variable nebula (looks so much like a comet!) Also, I wish to mention how many of us were, at one point in the evening, on astro-highs, walking around hooting like lunatics for a good ten minutes, whilst whoever was at the eyepiece would launch a series of uncontrolled expletives. "Bring out the death ray!" we'd say jokingly. Ni! Ni! Ni!... Ah, isn't altitude a fine thing! I'm not perfectly sure of this, but I think the prize went to Mike Wirths, who indulged in no less than six consecutive fairly x-rated rapid-action expletives balancing from the top of his 25" obsession ladder. Nice to see you're having serious fun as well, Mike! & Thanks so much for having us over... Good to see you all again! Roland P.S.- This was observing session #289 for me - only 10 more to get done before May 24th, midnight, to achieve my self-imposed challenge of 300 observing sessions in the three years - for 100 avg. per year since I got this SCT-8"... wish me luck! |
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cloudy night links, was Re: Beginner's Corner-Binaries to test optics?(longish)
--- In OAFs@y..., "Matt Weeks" <mweeks@i...> wrote:
Attilla: I really enjoy your cloudy night links, would you be ableOk. I've added a "cloudy night links" to the bookmark section and filled with the last few cloudy night links. By the way "cloudy night links" is not a monopoly. I encourage everyone to post cool links, especially when its cloudy. clear skies. -ad |
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Re: Observing Report, April 13
Attilla Danko
I enjoyed your repeort very much Matt.
Yes, observing with Mike W is always fun. It an unbeatable combination of Mike's congeniality, Mike's fine toys, and the good skies there. Last night was execptional, though. M104, NGC4565 and a few others were the best I had ever seen them (not inlcuding views thought an 82" scope on top of a 7000' mountain). It was also lots of fun to watch Mars and the moon rise. In a word, it was wonderful. Just a few bits of info, The components of the double-quazar are each about magnitude 17, which is also the faintest that I have seen (and confirmed). The mystery companion of 4565 is called 4562. It seems much much smaller on the the starmaps than its appearance last night. 8.5 billion year (or zero) old photons to all. -ad |
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Observing Report, April 13
Matt Weeks
Hello All,
Here is my report: Equuleus Observatory Report Date: April 13, 2001 Time: 9:00pm-2:30am Limiting Magnitude: 6.4 Seeing: 8/10 Transparency: Excellent Roland Prevost, Attilla Danko, Bruce McGlashan, Mike Zielder, Rob Robotham and myself joined Mike Wirth at his most excellent observatory in Perth for a night of wonder. The drive out to Perth was one of held breath, as the sky was mostly cloudy all the way there. Bruce and I arrived to find Mike W and Mike Z already in the observatory, a look up confirmed that the sky was indeed clearing nicely. Roland, Attilla and Rob soon joined us. By 9 PM the sky was mostly clear and very transparent. Later, remarks were made that this was one of the best nights ever at the observatory. The combination of very transparent skies and good seeing made for many memorable views of the spring's showpiece objects. Conversations ran the gambit from Monty Python to the age of the universe ("¡some of those scientists are just plain wrong!¡."ad) to that rush you get when you have a night like this. Great company!!! Most of what we saw I can never hope to describe accurately but I'll give it a try! M51: Holy S**t!!!!!, Good God!!!!, "catch me I'm gonna fall off this ladder!!!!", these were a few of the catch phrases most commonly used to describe this site the whole evening, we just kept going back to it! When I first leaned in to have a look I couldn't breathe for a second. The spiral structure was EASY to see! The arms were tightly wound and were mottled in appearance. I rolled my eye around and absorbed all the detail I could all the while listing off all the descriptive swear words that came to my mind. Then Mike W said "¡ yeah, isn't it cool, you can even see detail in the companion!¡", The companion! I hadn't even paid any attention to the companion I was so enraptured with M51, when I focused my attention there I almost fell off the ladder again! I could see a definite thick bar like structure with a curved arm off each end, one was very obviously attached to M51 proper! Talk about the "observers high", what a rush!! M101: Huge!! This is a big galaxy. The spiral structure was easy to see here as well and all the same descriptive words apply!! The spiral structure is not as compact as M51 but the arms showed almost the same amount of mottling. Attilla said to have a look around and you should find some satellite galaxies. So, I did, and found many! Later in the night when it was placed in a darker portion of the sky, we returned and there were many more galaxies to be seen in neiborhood. Very cool! NGC 2392: The Eskimo nebula. Very cool!! Viewed with high power through the 18 inch it was stunning. The nebula, I felt, had a greenish tinge to it. The central star was easy and when the seeing was at its best the inner hood was visible with direct vision! NGC 2371/2: Planetary neb. This is a double lobed or Bi-polar planetary. Viewed through the 18 inch the two lobes were quite obviously connected and I could detect the central star 50% of the time. Not very colourful, but a neat sight none the less. "The Double Quasar": With guidance from Mike W and Attilla I was able to locate this very distant object. I was able to hold the "fuzzy star" about 70% of the time and when the seeing was its best it most defiantly split. This quasar has a red shift, which suggests it is 8.5 billion light years away. It is being gravitationally lensed by a galaxy cluster between it and us which is why it appears double and is bright enough for the 25inch to pick up. I believe I heard someone say it has a visual magnitude of 15? This is by far the most distant object I have ever seen, I still can't believe I have seen about half way back to the Big Bang!!! M81 and M82: Very cool!! Using Rob's "Termi-nagler"(aka "the holy hand grenade") 81 and 82 were fit in to the same field of view in the 25 inch. M82 was obviously a galaxy that has had something bad happen to it. The fact that it is an irregular galaxy was easy to see with this view. The dark lane, which slices across the middle, was obvious and the whole galaxy looked very textured. I then swung my attention to M81. When looked for, I could see two spiral arms, one on either side of the bright nucleus. There were other very memorable sights seen this night, like the sombrero with its very interesting dark lane, the spindle, the black eye and a new "mystery" galaxy companion to 4565? I'll let the others comment on these and the other amazing events of the night!! Matt "where's my hat?" Weeks |
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Re: Go for observing
I'll be there - timing depending on the behaviour of little monsters.
--- In OAFs@y..., "Attilla Danko" <attilla.danko@s...> wrote: Cool. I'll be there. Probably after 20:00. -advery close by so I'll be optimistic and say its a go for tonight! are uncertain give me a call a little later.The wind seems to be lessening as well, so if there are those who
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Re: Go for observing
Attilla Danko
Cool. I'll be there. Probably after 20:00. -ad
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From: Mike Wirths <mwirths@...> To: <OAFs@...> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 6:22 PM Subject: [OAFs] Go for observing Hi all! |
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Re: Beginner's Corner-Binaries to test optics?(longish)
Matt Weeks
Roland,
Well written piece. I like your Beginner's corner series. Would it be posible to put your articals in the files section so people wouldn't have to wade back in to the history to read them? Also Attilla: I really enjoy your cloudy night links, would you be able to put those links in the bookmarks section? I generally bookmark them myself but sometimes I forget and have to go back and try and find the original message. Just my little bit of input, Matt |
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Beginner's Corner-Binaries to test optics?(longish)
Test Your Optics by Splitting Binaries?
Binary or multiple stars provide their own unique pleasures for an observer. I particularly enjoy such systems when they exhibit contrasts either in colour or in magnitude. However, many observers sometimes try to split closer binaries in order to evaluate the seeing conditions, or during evenings of good seeing, the optics on their telescopes. Here is a list, ordered from wide to narrow separation, of some of the binaries I use to test my scope for splitting binaries. Binary Separation Combined Mag. Castor 4.0" 1.6 Epsilon Lye 2.3" 4.6 (closest double-double) 33 Ori 1.9" 5.5 Pi Aql 1.4" 5.7 Gamma Vir 1.3" 2.7 Zeta Can 0.9" 5.0 Zeta Her 0.8" 3.0 Eta Cbr 0.7" 5.1 One thing I have found to be fairly useful for me in testing the collimation of my SCT-8" is to observer progressively closer binaries to if I can split them. Again, you have to be aware of the level of seeing on a particular evening for this kind of test to make any sense, otherwise, it is much too easy to evaluate the seeing instead of your collimation. Note that splitting binaries is only one of the practical tests one can do to see if your optics have been properly aligned and are performing according to specification. I prefer a star test as a much more telling method of testing optics. When the gas planets are out, I will often try to see the amount of detail I can see. A third option is to see how many small craterlets I can detect on the Moon (down to approx. 1 km diameter - under ideal conditions, with my 8"). For example, on an 8" scope, "The Backyard Astronomer" states that I should be able to split a pair down to about 0.58 arc seconds. That's under ideal conditions. Usually, if I split any doubles under 1" I'm fairly happy. But remember, you have to have good seeing to begin with for this to work. The best I've been able to definitely split with the SCT-8" thus far is 0.7" for Eta Corona Borealis (J2000). But for the beginner, splitting a double star is one of the easiest tests to perform, with easier to interpret results - you either split the star or not. For this kind of thing, it's usually better to choose binaries of approximately similar magnitudes. Start with wider pairs and then work your way narrower. This might also give you an idea of the seeing conditions for the evening. If you can't split a 4" binary, then forget about fine details on the surface of Mars! Again, it's not the only possible test for seeing or collimation, but I like the fact that I can do it quickly, without to much additional equipment, and get some useful information about my optics or seeing conditions. Also, when my already cooled scope shows signs of poor collimation using the star test, I like splitting binaries, if conditions permit, to verify the quality of my collimation after I've worked on it. If you are going to do this, please understand that you must magnify quite a bit to split very close binaries. I often use 300X or even 400X to split the closest sub-arc second doubles. So... don't do as I did as a neophyte, and put a 52mm eyepiece in your scope, and then wonder why the map called Epsilon Lyra a double-double when you can only see two widely separated stars. Best of luck splitting doubles - as with everything else, practice makes perfect! You can also get lists of additional double star data online in many instances, or in almost every sky map in software or book form. Good hunting! Roland Prevost |
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Re: What would you prefer?
Mike Wirths
Great!
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I'll see you all around 8:00 then, I'll give a go no-go around 6:00. Bruce I"ll upload a map for my spot on the OAF e-group shortly, bring whatever astro-stuff you want!! see you soon Mike W 267-7431 -----Original Message-----
From: Bruce McGlashan <mcglashanb2@...> To: OAFs@... <OAFs@...> Date: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [OAFs] Re: What would you prefer? Matt, Roland and Mike: |
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Re: What would you prefer?
Matt Weeks
Bruce,
If you would like to follow me, we could meet somewhere in Kanata. Just a thought, Matt --- In OAFs@y..., "Bruce McGlashan" <mcglashanb2@h...> wrote: Matt, Roland and Mike:it. Let's hope the weather cooperates. Now, as for directions to your place,are the two maps on the other Yahoo egroup, still the best references?When would you like us to arrive?(mainly Mikeweekend nights where I don't have to work in the morning!) to allow thatstill allows it, you could set your scope up in the Observatory, usuallyway you could use your own scope and get a look through the big sentance :))means "the two times I have been there before", in this youSo if you want to borrow anything,(star charts, eyepieces, etc..) wink,can. I would also like to run a little experiment using an 8in SCT it'swink. ;-). takejust true). Also, if the winds are medium (20km/h say), it mightbetough at FLO, but fine in Mike's observatory. I'd be happy to 1.25upMike on his kind invitation, especially if you guys don't mindgoingthere too. We could still do FLO soon. hours?) tonite, then perhaps I might stick with FLO to keep you |
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