About magnets & electricity .. IMHO, one needs to be EXTREMELY careful. Blood has high content of iron -- does Mr. Tennant have any education in metals engineering?

EXTREMELY CAREFUL, IMHO. My $0.02.

On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 08:53:57 PM EST, Ncyg via groups.io <ncygme@...> wrote:

His name is Jerry Tennant MD, MD(H), PScD. He has several books available on Amazon. I got Healing is Voltage: Healing the Eyes. Honestly, most of the book is spent explaining what Electro Magnetic Field is and why it’s important. He pulls in a good bit of info on nutrition and mineral supplements (as well as food sources for the same) although there is not a cohesive section on this. There is a segment covering his background—both as a physician/surgeon and as someone incapacitated by infection for years. There are sections on Acupuncture, dental toxins and fungi. Also some information on the Biomodulator and transducer he designed. The last few chapters are dedicated to eye diseases. Obviously not a particularly easy or cohesive read but a lot of good information. I have ordered a second book he wrote. The company that sells his equipment is Synergy. I was disappointed in the information available about the equipment on the website. They have a number of videos with more specific treatment information in various diseases, however they are only available for viewing if you have purchased the equipment.

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On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 6:54 PM, Patrick Ward <Pwardoe@...> wrote:

Thanks Ncyg!

It's always so encouraging to hear about new possibilities. What is the name of the Opthamologist Naturopath and what books did he write? Please let us know about your progress. All the best to you, your brother and your friends' health.

Thanks,

Patrick

On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 3:26 PM Ncyg via <Ncygme=[email protected]> wrote:

Thanks Joe.

This is great information—especially having the exact protocol used. My brother suffered an optic stroke about three weeks ago and the medical doctors are saying it can’t be reversed. Unfortunately he has been legally blind since birth in the eye that DIDN’T have the stroke. We are looking for an acupuncturist in Kansas City. Have talked to several that don’t seem comfortable treating this problem, which is why the info is so valuable. I am a firm believer in acupuncture as I am a rare (11 year) survivor of late stage ovarian cancer and my acupuncturist treated me through all of my chemo regimens and beyond.

We also started using the Tennant Biomodulator and Transducer if anyone is interested in trying treatment with electromagnetic field. They claim pretty good results in OTHER eye problems such as macular degeneration and glaucoma. It is quite expensive to buy but we are renting the machine from an alternative medicine doctor. This Doctor Tennant has written several books—he is an Opthamologist and also a Naturalopath. He really stresses diet and nutrition (vitamin and mineral supplementation) as important. I have an acquaintance who was blind from macular degeneration and about ten years ago she found a clinic in California that offered some type of electrical stimulation for the eyes as well as a very stringent vitaman/mineral supplement schedule. After almost a year on treatment her vision improved enough to get her drivers license. That is what caused me to start researching electromagnetic field treatments.

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:40 AM, Joe Tatarek <Joetatarek@...> wrote:

Good luck to you sir. If it helps one more then it is worth it.

Thank you,

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:37 AM Deane Williams <pyroartist@...> wrote:

Joe, Thanks for sharing this very important finding and your experience! I see that the article came out 8 years ago in 2015. I wonder why this seems to be largely unknown to our group. Has anyone else here tried this acupuncture method?
It is amazing that you had restored vision after just 3 weeks. The article claims :
"The total effective rate for visual acuity improvement after 8 weeks of acupuncture was 81.71%." This is certainly worth a try for both old and new cases!

Dean

On 2/12/2023 5:05 PM, Joe Tatarek wrote:

My story is a little different but I feel compelled to chime in. I had a NAION attack in November. It left my right eye almost blind. I was severely depressed but my wife kept hope. She sought out alternative treatments for me. The main reason being is that she also had a condition and the medical community didn't help so she sought out a supplement regiment and it cured a condition that she had. To be completely honest, when I saw her go through her struggles and slowly cure herself I was still not convinced that the supplements and alternative medicines was the reason why. I still did not give the treatment any credit and out of my own ignorance I wrote it off as time and the body healing itself.

Back to my situation. Out of desperation I chose alternative medicine as a path that I was willing to take. I was looking to do things differently even if I did not 100% believe in what I was doing. I also went ALL IN. So I started with the UPMC alternative treatment department and they put me in touch with an acupuncture specialist, Tricia Smith M.S, LAc. She studied my condition and came up with an acupuncture treatment. In addition, I scheduled with another acupuncturist, Mara Carlini MSAOM, LAc. I gave her a copy of the web article that I attached below and she developed her own regiment for me based on the readings.

Within 2 week's time I started to notice something was changing. I thought it was a placebo effect. I was in disbelief. The 3rd week I had a follow up appointment with a Neuro Opthamologist. I told him that my condition seemed to improve. He seemed immediately skeptical but chose to do a thorough exam. He looked at the optic nerve and noticed that the swelling was gone but that was expected to happen. I was given multiple eye tests and my vision returned, I am back to 20/20 corrected with my glasses. I do notice a very small amount of blurriness but it is minimal.

My heart goes out to those of you who are struggling with this. I wanted to share my story and hope maybe this path could help someone else. I did react very early in the process and the Doctors are saying that may have helped the cause.

Best of Luck,

-Joe

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 4:27 AM Paul Stratford <p.stratford@...> wrote:

Good post Chiarina. Couldn’t agree more with your post. Find most days you get some form of frustration from the lack of vision. As to what caused it not a clue I had never been fitter than I was when I had my first episode at 57. Driving wise much the same as you I only drive in day light and only places I’m familiar with. This is allowed with an annual eye test from the British drivers licensing centre

On 12 Feb 2023, at 05:15, Chiarina Blake <jc.blake2@...> wrote:

?

Hi LIsa. Yes. This is my story too. I think it was 6 months for the eye to stabilize and then the sight you have is the sight you will live with. Glasses have only helped me a little. My vision is still a little blurry. My doctor told me it won't get worse and may not get any better. I can still see and do daily activities but I have had to give up my work as a teacher and I cannot drive long distances. My vision is like looking through a dirty window or window mesh. I hope all goes well with you.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:26 PM Lisa f <Lisabieznieks@...> wrote:

I was diagnosed four weeks ago. My right eye almost half is very blurry. I have sleep apnea and low blood pressure not due to meds. The only thing drs found after 2 cat scans. 1 mri is high cholesterol. Drs told me 6 weeks for eye to be stable for a new eye exam to get glasses. Does this scenario sound familiar to anyone? Sincerely, Lisa

Thanks Ncyg!

It's always so encouraging to hear about new possibilities. What is the name of the Opthamologist Naturopath and what books did he write? Please let us know about your progress. All the best to you, your brother and your friends' health.

Thanks,

Patrick

On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 3:26 PM Ncyg via <Ncygme=[email protected]> wrote:

Thanks Joe.

This is great information—especially having the exact protocol used. My brother suffered an optic stroke about three weeks ago and the medical doctors are saying it can’t be reversed. Unfortunately he has been legally blind since birth in the eye that DIDN’T have the stroke. We are looking for an acupuncturist in Kansas City. Have talked to several that don’t seem comfortable treating this problem, which is why the info is so valuable. I am a firm believer in acupuncture as I am a rare (11 year) survivor of late stage ovarian cancer and my acupuncturist treated me through all of my chemo regimens and beyond.

We also started using the Tennant Biomodulator and Transducer if anyone is interested in trying treatment with electromagnetic field. They claim pretty good results in OTHER eye problems such as macular degeneration and glaucoma. It is quite expensive to buy but we are renting the machine from an alternative medicine doctor. This Doctor Tennant has written several books—he is an Opthamologist and also a Naturalopath. He really stresses diet and nutrition (vitamin and mineral supplementation) as important. I have an acquaintance who was blind from macular degeneration and about ten years ago she found a clinic in California that offered some type of electrical stimulation for the eyes as well as a very stringent vitaman/mineral supplement schedule. After almost a year on treatment her vision improved enough to get her drivers license. That is what caused me to start researching electromagnetic field treatments.

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:40 AM, Joe Tatarek <Joetatarek@...> wrote:

Good luck to you sir. If it helps one more then it is worth it.

Thank you,

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:37 AM Deane Williams <pyroartist@...> wrote:

Joe, Thanks for sharing this very important finding and your experience! I see that the article came out 8 years ago in 2015. I wonder why this seems to be largely unknown to our group. Has anyone else here tried this acupuncture method?
It is amazing that you had restored vision after just 3 weeks. The article claims :
"The total effective rate for visual acuity improvement after 8 weeks of acupuncture was 81.71%." This is certainly worth a try for both old and new cases!

Dean

On 2/12/2023 5:05 PM, Joe Tatarek wrote:

My story is a little different but I feel compelled to chime in. I had a NAION attack in November. It left my right eye almost blind. I was severely depressed but my wife kept hope. She sought out alternative treatments for me. The main reason being is that she also had a condition and the medical community didn't help so she sought out a supplement regiment and it cured a condition that she had. To be completely honest, when I saw her go through her struggles and slowly cure herself I was still not convinced that the supplements and alternative medicines was the reason why. I still did not give the treatment any credit and out of my own ignorance I wrote it off as time and the body healing itself.

Back to my situation. Out of desperation I chose alternative medicine as a path that I was willing to take. I was looking to do things differently even if I did not 100% believe in what I was doing. I also went ALL IN. So I started with the UPMC alternative treatment department and they put me in touch with an acupuncture specialist, Tricia Smith M.S, LAc. She studied my condition and came up with an acupuncture treatment. In addition, I scheduled with another acupuncturist, Mara Carlini MSAOM, LAc. I gave her a copy of the web article that I attached below and she developed her own regiment for me based on the readings.

Within 2 week's time I started to notice something was changing. I thought it was a placebo effect. I was in disbelief. The 3rd week I had a follow up appointment with a Neuro Opthamologist. I told him that my condition seemed to improve. He seemed immediately skeptical but chose to do a thorough exam. He looked at the optic nerve and noticed that the swelling was gone but that was expected to happen. I was given multiple eye tests and my vision returned, I am back to 20/20 corrected with my glasses. I do notice a very small amount of blurriness but it is minimal.

My heart goes out to those of you who are struggling with this. I wanted to share my story and hope maybe this path could help someone else. I did react very early in the process and the Doctors are saying that may have helped the cause.

Best of Luck,

-Joe

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 4:27 AM Paul Stratford <p.stratford@...> wrote:

Good post Chiarina. Couldn’t agree more with your post. Find most days you get some form of frustration from the lack of vision. As to what caused it not a clue I had never been fitter than I was when I had my first episode at 57. Driving wise much the same as you I only drive in day light and only places I’m familiar with. This is allowed with an annual eye test from the British drivers licensing centre

On 12 Feb 2023, at 05:15, Chiarina Blake <jc.blake2@...> wrote:

?

Hi LIsa. Yes. This is my story too. I think it was 6 months for the eye to stabilize and then the sight you have is the sight you will live with. Glasses have only helped me a little. My vision is still a little blurry. My doctor told me it won't get worse and may not get any better. I can still see and do daily activities but I have had to give up my work as a teacher and I cannot drive long distances. My vision is like looking through a dirty window or window mesh. I hope all goes well with you.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:26 PM Lisa f <Lisabieznieks@...> wrote:

I was diagnosed four weeks ago. My right eye almost half is very blurry. I have sleep apnea and low blood pressure not due to meds. The only thing drs found after 2 cat scans. 1 mri is high cholesterol. Drs told me 6 weeks for eye to be stable for a new eye exam to get glasses. Does this scenario sound familiar to anyone? Sincerely, Lisa

Thanks Ncyg!

It's always so encouraging to hear about new possibilities. What is the name of the Opthamologist Naturopath and what books did he write? Please let us know about your progress. All the best to you, your brother and your friends' health.

Thanks,

Patrick

On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 3:26 PM Ncyg via <Ncygme=[email protected]> wrote:

Thanks Joe.

This is great information—especially having the exact protocol used. My brother suffered an optic stroke about three weeks ago and the medical doctors are saying it can’t be reversed. Unfortunately he has been legally blind since birth in the eye that DIDN’T have the stroke. We are looking for an acupuncturist in Kansas City. Have talked to several that don’t seem comfortable treating this problem, which is why the info is so valuable. I am a firm believer in acupuncture as I am a rare (11 year) survivor of late stage ovarian cancer and my acupuncturist treated me through all of my chemo regimens and beyond.

We also started using the Tennant Biomodulator and Transducer if anyone is interested in trying treatment with electromagnetic field. They claim pretty good results in OTHER eye problems such as macular degeneration and glaucoma. It is quite expensive to buy but we are renting the machine from an alternative medicine doctor. This Doctor Tennant has written several books—he is an Opthamologist and also a Naturalopath. He really stresses diet and nutrition (vitamin and mineral supplementation) as important. I have an acquaintance who was blind from macular degeneration and about ten years ago she found a clinic in California that offered some type of electrical stimulation for the eyes as well as a very stringent vitaman/mineral supplement schedule. After almost a year on treatment her vision improved enough to get her drivers license. That is what caused me to start researching electromagnetic field treatments.

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:40 AM, Joe Tatarek <Joetatarek@...> wrote:

Good luck to you sir. If it helps one more then it is worth it.

Thank you,

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:37 AM Deane Williams <pyroartist@...> wrote:

Joe, Thanks for sharing this very important finding and your experience! I see that the article came out 8 years ago in 2015. I wonder why this seems to be largely unknown to our group. Has anyone else here tried this acupuncture method?
It is amazing that you had restored vision after just 3 weeks. The article claims :
"The total effective rate for visual acuity improvement after 8 weeks of acupuncture was 81.71%." This is certainly worth a try for both old and new cases!

Dean

On 2/12/2023 5:05 PM, Joe Tatarek wrote:

My story is a little different but I feel compelled to chime in. I had a NAION attack in November. It left my right eye almost blind. I was severely depressed but my wife kept hope. She sought out alternative treatments for me. The main reason being is that she also had a condition and the medical community didn't help so she sought out a supplement regiment and it cured a condition that she had. To be completely honest, when I saw her go through her struggles and slowly cure herself I was still not convinced that the supplements and alternative medicines was the reason why. I still did not give the treatment any credit and out of my own ignorance I wrote it off as time and the body healing itself.

Back to my situation. Out of desperation I chose alternative medicine as a path that I was willing to take. I was looking to do things differently even if I did not 100% believe in what I was doing. I also went ALL IN. So I started with the UPMC alternative treatment department and they put me in touch with an acupuncture specialist, Tricia Smith M.S, LAc. She studied my condition and came up with an acupuncture treatment. In addition, I scheduled with another acupuncturist, Mara Carlini MSAOM, LAc. I gave her a copy of the web article that I attached below and she developed her own regiment for me based on the readings.

Within 2 week's time I started to notice something was changing. I thought it was a placebo effect. I was in disbelief. The 3rd week I had a follow up appointment with a Neuro Opthamologist. I told him that my condition seemed to improve. He seemed immediately skeptical but chose to do a thorough exam. He looked at the optic nerve and noticed that the swelling was gone but that was expected to happen. I was given multiple eye tests and my vision returned, I am back to 20/20 corrected with my glasses. I do notice a very small amount of blurriness but it is minimal.

My heart goes out to those of you who are struggling with this. I wanted to share my story and hope maybe this path could help someone else. I did react very early in the process and the Doctors are saying that may have helped the cause.

Best of Luck,

-Joe

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 4:27 AM Paul Stratford <p.stratford@...> wrote:

Good post Chiarina. Couldn’t agree more with your post. Find most days you get some form of frustration from the lack of vision. As to what caused it not a clue I had never been fitter than I was when I had my first episode at 57. Driving wise much the same as you I only drive in day light and only places I’m familiar with. This is allowed with an annual eye test from the British drivers licensing centre

On 12 Feb 2023, at 05:15, Chiarina Blake <jc.blake2@...> wrote:

?

Hi LIsa. Yes. This is my story too. I think it was 6 months for the eye to stabilize and then the sight you have is the sight you will live with. Glasses have only helped me a little. My vision is still a little blurry. My doctor told me it won't get worse and may not get any better. I can still see and do daily activities but I have had to give up my work as a teacher and I cannot drive long distances. My vision is like looking through a dirty window or window mesh. I hope all goes well with you.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:26 PM Lisa f <Lisabieznieks@...> wrote:

I was diagnosed four weeks ago. My right eye almost half is very blurry. I have sleep apnea and low blood pressure not due to meds. The only thing drs found after 2 cat scans. 1 mri is high cholesterol. Drs told me 6 weeks for eye to be stable for a new eye exam to get glasses. Does this scenario sound familiar to anyone? Sincerely, Lisa

Good luck to you sir. If it helps one more then it is worth it.

Thank you,

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:37 AM Deane Williams <pyroartist@...> wrote:

Joe, Thanks for sharing this very important finding and your experience! I see that the article came out 8 years ago in 2015. I wonder why this seems to be largely unknown to our group. Has anyone else here tried this acupuncture method?
It is amazing that you had restored vision after just 3 weeks. The article claims :
"The total effective rate for visual acuity improvement after 8 weeks of acupuncture was 81.71%." This is certainly worth a try for both old and new cases!

Dean

On 2/12/2023 5:05 PM, Joe Tatarek wrote:

My story is a little different but I feel compelled to chime in. I had a NAION attack in November. It left my right eye almost blind. I was severely depressed but my wife kept hope. She sought out alternative treatments for me. The main reason being is that she also had a condition and the medical community didn't help so she sought out a supplement regiment and it cured a condition that she had. To be completely honest, when I saw her go through her struggles and slowly cure herself I was still not convinced that the supplements and alternative medicines was the reason why. I still did not give the treatment any credit and out of my own ignorance I wrote it off as time and the body healing itself.

Back to my situation. Out of desperation I chose alternative medicine as a path that I was willing to take. I was looking to do things differently even if I did not 100% believe in what I was doing. I also went ALL IN. So I started with the UPMC alternative treatment department and they put me in touch with an acupuncture specialist, Tricia Smith M.S, LAc. She studied my condition and came up with an acupuncture treatment. In addition, I scheduled with another acupuncturist, Mara Carlini MSAOM, LAc. I gave her a copy of the web article that I attached below and she developed her own regiment for me based on the readings.

Within 2 week's time I started to notice something was changing. I thought it was a placebo effect. I was in disbelief. The 3rd week I had a follow up appointment with a Neuro Opthamologist. I told him that my condition seemed to improve. He seemed immediately skeptical but chose to do a thorough exam. He looked at the optic nerve and noticed that the swelling was gone but that was expected to happen. I was given multiple eye tests and my vision returned, I am back to 20/20 corrected with my glasses. I do notice a very small amount of blurriness but it is minimal.

My heart goes out to those of you who are struggling with this. I wanted to share my story and hope maybe this path could help someone else. I did react very early in the process and the Doctors are saying that may have helped the cause.

Best of Luck,

-Joe

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 4:27 AM Paul Stratford <p.stratford@...> wrote:

Good post Chiarina. Couldn’t agree more with your post. Find most days you get some form of frustration from the lack of vision. As to what caused it not a clue I had never been fitter than I was when I had my first episode at 57. Driving wise much the same as you I only drive in day light and only places I’m familiar with. This is allowed with an annual eye test from the British drivers licensing centre

On 12 Feb 2023, at 05:15, Chiarina Blake <jc.blake2@...> wrote:

?

Hi LIsa. Yes. This is my story too. I think it was 6 months for the eye to stabilize and then the sight you have is the sight you will live with. Glasses have only helped me a little. My vision is still a little blurry. My doctor told me it won't get worse and may not get any better. I can still see and do daily activities but I have had to give up my work as a teacher and I cannot drive long distances. My vision is like looking through a dirty window or window mesh. I hope all goes well with you.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:26 PM Lisa f <Lisabieznieks@...> wrote:

I was diagnosed four weeks ago. My right eye almost half is very blurry. I have sleep apnea and low blood pressure not due to meds. The only thing drs found after 2 cat scans. 1 mri is high cholesterol. Drs told me 6 weeks for eye to be stable for a new eye exam to get glasses. Does this scenario sound familiar to anyone? Sincerely, Lisa

I visited twice a week. I'm sorry to hear that you did not see results. Ask if they treated according to the same points outlined in the email.?

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:19 PM carlo maglione via <maglione1111=[email protected]> wrote:

Joe I am seeking more information regarding your successful treatments with acupuncture. So did you do 5 visits a week in order to get the success that you have enjoyed? I have tried Accupuncture but had no remarkable results.

Please explain

Thank you

Carlo

On Monday, February 13, 2023, 7:40 AM, Joe Tatarek <Joetatarek@...> wrote:

Good luck to you sir.? If it helps one more then it is worth it.?

Thank you,

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:37 AM Deane Williams <pyroartist@...> wrote:

Joe, Thanks for sharing this very important finding and your experience! I see that the article came out 8 years ago in 2015. I wonder why this seems to be largely unknown to our group. Has anyone else here tried this acupuncture method?
?It is amazing that you had restored vision after just 3 weeks. The article claims :
"The total effective rate for visual acuity improvement after 8 weeks of acupuncture was 81.71%."? This is certainly worth a try for both old and new cases!

Dean

On 2/12/2023 5:05 PM, Joe Tatarek wrote:

My story is a little different but I feel compelled to chime in. I had a NAION attack in November.? It left my right eye almost blind.? I was severely depressed but my wife kept hope.? She sought out alternative treatments for me.? The main reason being is that she also had a condition and the medical community didn't help so she sought out a supplement regiment and it cured a condition that she had.? To be completely honest, when I saw her go through her struggles and slowly cure herself I was still not convinced that the supplements and alternative medicines was the reason why.? I still did not give the treatment any credit and out of my own ignorance I wrote it off as time and the body healing itself.

Back to my situation.? Out of desperation I chose alternative medicine as?a path that I was?willing to take.? I was looking to?do?things differently even if I did not 100% believe in?what I was doing.? I also went ALL IN.? So I started with the UPMC alternative treatment department and they put me in touch with an acupuncture specialist, Tricia Smith M.S, LAc.? She studied my condition and came up with an acupuncture treatment.? In addition, I scheduled with another acupuncturist, Mara Carlini MSAOM, LAc.? I gave her a copy of the web article that I attached below and she developed her own regiment for me based on the readings.

Within 2 week's time I started to notice something was changing.? I thought it was a placebo effect.? I was in disbelief.? The 3rd week I had a follow up appointment with a Neuro Opthamologist.? I told him that my condition seemed to improve.? He seemed immediately skeptical but chose to do a thorough exam.? He looked at the optic nerve and noticed that the swelling was gone but that was expected to happen.? I was given multiple eye tests and my vision returned,? I am back to 20/20 corrected with my glasses.? I do notice a very small amount of blurriness but it is minimal.?

My heart goes out to those of you who are struggling with this.? I wanted to share my story and hope maybe this path could help someone else.? I did react very early in the process and the Doctors are saying that may have helped the cause.??

Best of Luck,

-Joe

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 4:27 AM Paul Stratford <p.stratford@...> wrote:

Good post Chiarina. Couldn’t agree more with your post. Find most days you get some form of frustration from the lack of vision. As to what caused it not a clue I had never been fitter than I was when I had my first episode at 57. Driving wise much the same as you I only drive in day light and only places I’m familiar with. This is allowed with an annual eye test from the British drivers licensing centre

On 12 Feb 2023, at 05:15, Chiarina Blake <jc.blake2@...> wrote:

?

Hi LIsa.? Yes.? This is my story too.? I think it was 6 months for the eye to stabilize and then the sight you have is the sight you will live with.? Glasses have only helped me a little.? My vision is still a little blurry.? My doctor told me it won't get worse and may not get any better.? I can still see and do daily activities but I have had to give up my work as a teacher and I cannot drive long distances.? My vision is like looking through a dirty window or window mesh.? I hope all goes well with you.??

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:26 PM Lisa f <Lisabieznieks@...> wrote:

I was diagnosed four weeks ago. My right eye almost half is very blurry. I have sleep apnea and low blood pressure not due to meds. The only thing drs found after 2 cat scans. 1 mri is high cholesterol. Drs told me 6 weeks for eye to be stable for a new eye exam to get glasses. Does this scenario sound familiar to anyone? Sincerely, Lisa

Good luck to you sir.? If it helps one more then it is worth it.?

Thank you,

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:37 AM Deane Williams <pyroartist@...> wrote:

Joe, Thanks for sharing this very important finding and your experience! I see that the article came out 8 years ago in 2015. I wonder why this seems to be largely unknown to our group. Has anyone else here tried this acupuncture method?
?It is amazing that you had restored vision after just 3 weeks. The article claims :
"The total effective rate for visual acuity improvement after 8 weeks of acupuncture was 81.71%."? This is certainly worth a try for both old and new cases!

Dean

On 2/12/2023 5:05 PM, Joe Tatarek wrote:

My story is a little different but I feel compelled to chime in. I had a NAION attack in November.? It left my right eye almost blind.? I was severely depressed but my wife kept hope.? She sought out alternative treatments for me.? The main reason being is that she also had a condition and the medical community didn't help so she sought out a supplement regiment and it cured a condition that she had.? To be completely honest, when I saw her go through her struggles and slowly cure herself I was still not convinced that the supplements and alternative medicines was the reason why.? I still did not give the treatment any credit and out of my own ignorance I wrote it off as time and the body healing itself.

Back to my situation.? Out of desperation I chose alternative medicine as?a path that I was?willing to take.? I was looking to?do?things differently even if I did not 100% believe in?what I was doing.? I also went ALL IN.? So I started with the UPMC alternative treatment department and they put me in touch with an acupuncture specialist, Tricia Smith M.S, LAc.? She studied my condition and came up with an acupuncture treatment.? In addition, I scheduled with another acupuncturist, Mara Carlini MSAOM, LAc.? I gave her a copy of the web article that I attached below and she developed her own regiment for me based on the readings.

Within 2 week's time I started to notice something was changing.? I thought it was a placebo effect.? I was in disbelief.? The 3rd week I had a follow up appointment with a Neuro Opthamologist.? I told him that my condition seemed to improve.? He seemed immediately skeptical but chose to do a thorough exam.? He looked at the optic nerve and noticed that the swelling was gone but that was expected to happen.? I was given multiple eye tests and my vision returned,? I am back to 20/20 corrected with my glasses.? I do notice a very small amount of blurriness but it is minimal.?

My heart goes out to those of you who are struggling with this.? I wanted to share my story and hope maybe this path could help someone else.? I did react very early in the process and the Doctors are saying that may have helped the cause.??

Best of Luck,

-Joe

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 4:27 AM Paul Stratford <p.stratford@...> wrote:

Good post Chiarina. Couldn’t agree more with your post. Find most days you get some form of frustration from the lack of vision. As to what caused it not a clue I had never been fitter than I was when I had my first episode at 57. Driving wise much the same as you I only drive in day light and only places I’m familiar with. This is allowed with an annual eye test from the British drivers licensing centre

On 12 Feb 2023, at 05:15, Chiarina Blake <jc.blake2@...> wrote:

?

Hi LIsa.? Yes.? This is my story too.? I think it was 6 months for the eye to stabilize and then the sight you have is the sight you will live with.? Glasses have only helped me a little.? My vision is still a little blurry.? My doctor told me it won't get worse and may not get any better.? I can still see and do daily activities but I have had to give up my work as a teacher and I cannot drive long distances.? My vision is like looking through a dirty window or window mesh.? I hope all goes well with you.??

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:26 PM Lisa f <Lisabieznieks@...> wrote:

I was diagnosed four weeks ago. My right eye almost half is very blurry. I have sleep apnea and low blood pressure not due to meds. The only thing drs found after 2 cat scans. 1 mri is high cholesterol. Drs told me 6 weeks for eye to be stable for a new eye exam to get glasses. Does this scenario sound familiar to anyone? Sincerely, Lisa

My story is a little different but I feel compelled to chime in. I had a NAION attack in November.? It left my right eye almost blind.? I was severely depressed but my wife kept hope.? She sought out alternative treatments for me.? The main reason being is that she also had a condition and the medical community didn't help so she sought out a supplement regiment and it cured a condition that she had.? To be completely honest, when I saw her go through her struggles and slowly cure herself I was still not convinced that the supplements and alternative medicines was the reason why.? I still did not give the treatment any credit and out of my own ignorance I wrote it off as time and the body healing itself.

Back to my situation.? Out of desperation I chose alternative medicine as?a path that I was?willing to take.? I was looking to?do?things differently even if I did not 100% believe in?what I was doing.? I also went ALL IN.? So I started with the UPMC alternative treatment department and they put me in touch with an acupuncture specialist, Tricia Smith M.S, LAc.? She studied my condition and came up with an acupuncture treatment.? In addition, I scheduled with another acupuncturist, Mara Carlini MSAOM, LAc.? I gave her a copy of the web article that I attached below and she developed her own regiment for me based on the readings.

Within 2 week's time I started to notice something was changing.? I thought it was a placebo effect.? I was in disbelief.? The 3rd week I had a follow up appointment with a Neuro Opthamologist.? I told him that my condition seemed to improve.? He seemed immediately skeptical but chose to do a thorough exam.? He looked at the optic nerve and noticed that the swelling was gone but that was expected to happen.? I was given multiple eye tests and my vision returned,? I am back to 20/20 corrected with my glasses.? I do notice a very small amount of blurriness but it is minimal.?

My heart goes out to those of you who are struggling with this.? I wanted to share my story and hope maybe this path could help someone else.? I did react very early in the process and the Doctors are saying that may have helped the cause.??

Best of Luck,

-Joe

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 4:27 AM Paul Stratford <p.stratford@...> wrote:

Good post Chiarina. Couldn’t agree more with your post. Find most days you get some form of frustration from the lack of vision. As to what caused it not a clue I had never been fitter than I was when I had my first episode at 57. Driving wise much the same as you I only drive in day light and only places I’m familiar with. This is allowed with an annual eye test from the British drivers licensing centre

On 12 Feb 2023, at 05:15, Chiarina Blake <jc.blake2@...> wrote:

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Hi LIsa.? Yes.? This is my story too.? I think it was 6 months for the eye to stabilize and then the sight you have is the sight you will live with.? Glasses have only helped me a little.? My vision is still a little blurry.? My doctor told me it won't get worse and may not get any better.? I can still see and do daily activities but I have had to give up my work as a teacher and I cannot drive long distances.? My vision is like looking through a dirty window or window mesh.? I hope all goes well with you.??

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:26 PM Lisa f <Lisabieznieks@...> wrote:

I was diagnosed four weeks ago. My right eye almost half is very blurry. I have sleep apnea and low blood pressure not due to meds. The only thing drs found after 2 cat scans. 1 mri is high cholesterol. Drs told me 6 weeks for eye to be stable for a new eye exam to get glasses. Does this scenario sound familiar to anyone? Sincerely, Lisa

On 13 Feb 2023, at 08:51, Chiarina Blake <jc.blake2@...> wrote:

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Yes Paul. Colour has been been turned down. Poor contrast. If I look Off Center, colours look bright and clear but my central vision has been affected and so colour when I look straight ahead is bland. I am so sorry that you have had this happen to both of your eyes. The sad thing is that I born with poor vision in my left eye. Due to a pulled retina at birth and I think I have about 20 percent vision in it and my NAINON struck my only good functioning eye. Doctors couldn’t believe how unlucky I was! Yeah. My treatment was the same as yours. 3 days of intravenous steroids, CAT scan, MRI, bloods then two weeks of tablet steroids when I got home. It was a horrible year. All I did was cry?

On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 at 7:22 pm, Paul Stratford <p.stratford@...> wrote:

Hi Chiarina
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?So nice to speak to someone with very similar experiences of NAION. I had the the first attack in left eye in 2015 and 2nd attack in right eye 18 months later. I had the usual 3 days in hospital with IV steroids and lots of bloods done followed byMRI with contrast. All negative. Followed by 5 years of routine follow ups. I have now been discharged. Luckily don’t have to take any meds. Could I ask if you have colour blindness almost if someone has turned the colour contrast right down on tv.?

On 13 Feb 2023, at 03:43, Wuensch, Karl Louis <WUENSCHK@...> wrote:

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????????? I also attribute my NAION event as being due to taking BP meds at night (as prescribed),? I also took diphenhydramine that evening for what I thought was an allergic reaction that was irritating my yes, which probably contributed to the drop in BP.

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Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 2:57 PM
To: [email protected]; ScottishDave <scottishdave@...>
Subject: Re: [NAION] Ischemic optic neuropathy

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This email originated from outside ECU.

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No sleep apnea or anemia for me.? Mine occurred due to taking BP meds at night per perscription.? The two together dropped me too low during the night plus I was working 16 HR days and under alot of stress.? Wasn't getting much sleep but enough to where this happened during that time.

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On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 13:33, ScottishDave

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As I mentioned in another thread I have a big blood pressure drop after eating and apparently one in three older people like me experience it. It's called postprandial hypotension
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My doctor wasn't really familiar with it. My blood pressure when I visited my doctor previously was almost perfect so he had no reason to suspect I had blood pressure problems. Instead of eating 3 meals a day, I now have 6 smaller meals.

On 13 Feb 2023, at 03:43, Wuensch, Karl Louis <WUENSCHK@...> wrote:

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????????? I also attribute my NAION event as being due to taking BP meds at night (as prescribed),? I also took diphenhydramine that evening for what I thought was an allergic reaction that was irritating my yes, which probably contributed to the drop in BP.

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Karl L. Wuensch, Professor and ECU Scholar/Teacher, Dept. of Psychology
East Carolina University, Greenville NC? 27858-4353, USA,?
Voice:? 252-328-9420???? Fax:? 252-328-6283

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of dslonsdale@... via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 2:57 PM
To: [email protected]; ScottishDave <scottishdave@...>
Subject: Re: [NAION] Ischemic optic neuropathy

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This email originated from outside ECU.

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No sleep apnea or anemia for me.? Mine occurred due to taking BP meds at night per perscription.? The two together dropped me too low during the night plus I was working 16 HR days and under alot of stress.? Wasn't getting much sleep but enough to where this happened during that time.

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Deb Lonsdale

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On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 13:33, ScottishDave

<scottishdave@...> wrote:

Hi?
As I mentioned in another thread I have a big blood pressure drop after eating and apparently one in three older people like me experience it. It's called postprandial hypotension
.

My doctor wasn't really familiar with it. My blood pressure when I visited my doctor previously was almost perfect so he had no reason to suspect I had blood pressure problems. Instead of eating 3 meals a day, I now have 6 smaller meals.

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