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Hi Dean,
I haven't been active on the nets lately but maybe will be again soon. There is one small thing I would like to see changed. When monitoring a net, I sometimes like to set the contacts sort order to Date. It is frustrating when, each time a new station checks in, the sort order automatically changes back to the default sort order by callsign. If possible, I would like for the sort order to NOT change once I set it. Thanks very much for your work on the logger. 73, Chuck, KM9U |
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Johnny,
Be careful what you wish for! First off, so you think you know what I think you and I are talking about, in the database: HIS state and mode (f,m,p) are known as STATE and MOBILE (and data appear as blank, Mobile, or Portable) YOUR state and mode are known as OPSTATE and OPMODE (and data appear as Fixed, Mobile, or Portable) So, you probably want MODE appended! ?I would suggest a checkbox to turn this on and off, because keep reading. Also, for he/his/him, please read he/she/his/hers/him/her: I live in Boulder and these are parlous times ;-) I'm not sure why you are manually editing the M and P into calls, but I suspect that it is for logging and/or reporting purposes. ?If you want to do it for LOTW, you might not want this. ?I have just started working up data to upload to lotw, and have been studying a few issues. ?When you work a mobile station, you have no way of knowing what he called himself, either base or base/M, or base/M/VE3, or base/VE3/M as these are all possible examples. ?Conversely, if I am mobile, he has no way of knowing whether I called myself na0l or na0l/m. ?To obtain a match in lotw, you have to get these right. ?If you haven't started lotw yet, you can get certificates, with which you upload data, in any combination of base call plus prefixes and suffixes. ?I have long felt that arrl made a big mistake in allowing this. ?There is another part of the upload process, called the Location Record, where this sort of stuff belongs. My solution for the lotw problem is to upload duplicate qsos if he is mobile, one with his base call and another with /M appended. ?Likewise, if I am mobile, I make two separate uploads, one as na0l and another as na0l/m. ?I have just started uploading data and am only through 2006, before I started working mobile. ?So far, I have only seen one other station identify himself as /M. ?Just to make it harder, if he called himself /3, do I need to account for these too? Just to make my life harder, when I worked state lines and tri-states, the logger entered multiple records with identical dates and times, but different opstates. ?I now have to go back and fix all those duplcate times so that they will show up as separate qsos for other logging purposes. ?If I had done this back when I was entering the data, they would all be done now! Anyway, I am just getting started - this is why I suggested a separate group for logging discussions, and now I have one! ?And, I promise not to mention other logging programs which might be out there, other than lotw. All for now, RJ, NA0L ---In N7XGlogsupport@..., <ki4wcq52@...> wrote : Dean, The only change I would like to see is in regards to ADIF export to avoid manual editing. Could the OPMODE such as Portable or Mobile for a call be engineered so that the /P or /M is appended to a call upon export?? For example, N7XG Mobile is exported as N7XG/M.? Johnny KI4WCQ |
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RJ,
Yes, my thought was for LoTW.? I log a station the way he signs his call.? If he says mobile, I log /M.? Likewise if he says portable, it is /P or if he says stoke 3 I log /3.? Hopefully he has made a certifcate for the way he signs on the air. If the op uses LoTW, I usually get a match on the call.? I have no control on where he indicates he is, that is determined by the certificate he used to sign the log...which means he would need? multiple mobile or portable certificates for the state visited and signs with the right one. I have several LoTW confirms from W9OO/M and KT8D/M or W8JMF/M, to name a few,? from various states they operated from.? Also, have them from no CCN ops who signed their call and was recorded in that manner. I will concede that not a lot of CCN folks use LoTW even operating from home, let alone mobile or portable. A check would work ok as you suggested. The reason for the difficulty you note with state lines is that the position of ARRL is that you can't be in two places at the same time. 73, Johnny KI4WCQ |
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Johnny,
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Yep, this should be an easy change and I will try and get it into the next release.
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Thanks for the suggestion.
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Dean Davis, N7XG ? From: "ki4wcq52@... [N7XGlogsupport]" Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 7:38 AM To: N7XGlogsupport@... Subject: [N7XGlogsupport] Re: Future plans ?
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Johnny,
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I will make MODE an option on the export screen.
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Dean Davis, N7XG ? From: "ki4wcq52@... [N7XGlogsupport]" Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 11:26 AM To: N7XGlogsupport@... Subject: re: [N7XGlogsupport] Re: Future plans ?
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Thanks, Dean. ?However, by trying to make things clear, I seem to have confused things even more. ?I was inconsistent by referring to the called station's status fields (f, m, p) as both MOBILE and MODE. ?It is if course MOBILE, while MODE is for cw, ssb, etc. But then, OPMODE is for the called calling station's f,m, or p status! ?I have read these sentences several times and I believe they are correct ;-) RJ, NA0L ---In N7XGlogsupport@..., <dean@...> wrote : Johnny, ? I will make MODE an option on the export screen. ? ? Dean Davis, N7XG ? From: "ki4wcq52@... [N7XGlogsupport]" <N7XGlogsupport@...> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 11:26 AM To: N7XGlogsupport@... Subject: re: [N7XGlogsupport] Re: Future plans ?
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Thanks for the feedback, Johnny. ?I haven't gone far enough along to see much of a pattern for how people sign mobile, etc. ?You might consider adding a duplicate qso without the /M suffix; it might up your match rate. ?In all but one of my matched qsos with mobiles, they used just their base callsigns. As to ARRL not believing that I can be in two places at the same time, they do accept our cards and we DO believe that! ?It is possible to get two or three matches from state lines or tri-states. ?It is only neccessary for the fixed station to upload duplicate qsos at slightly different times (a minute difference works), else the records just overwrite each other. ?The mobile just does a separate ?upload for each state (which is normal), but again with the qsos at slightly different times. This gets more interesting with mobile to mobile tri-states, however. RJ, NA0L ---In N7XGlogsupport@..., <ki4wcq52@...> wrote : RJ, Yes, my thought was for LoTW.? I log a station the way he signs his call.? If he says mobile, I log /M.? Likewise if he says portable, it is /P or if he says stoke 3 I log /3.? Hopefully he has made a certifcate for the way he signs on the air. If the op uses LoTW, I usually get a match on the call.? I have no control on where he indicates he is, that is determined by the certificate he used to sign the log...which means he would need? multiple mobile or portable certificates for the state visited and signs with the right one. I have several LoTW confirms from W9OO/M and KT8D/M or W8JMF/M, to name a few,? from various states they operated from.? Also, have them from no CCN ops who signed their call and was recorded in that manner. I will concede that not a lot of CCN folks use LoTW even operating from home, let alone mobile or portable. A check would work ok as you suggested. The reason for the difficulty you note with state lines is that the position of ARRL is that you can't be in two places at the same time. 73, Johnny KI4WCQ |
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RJ and Dean,
Now that RJ clarified the issue, I am confused!? lol What I was seeking was that e.g., NA0L? Mobile? NM? 7.267.5 SSB? ends up being exported as NA0L/M along with the normal Freq and SSB. date, time, etc and whatever else is now in the ADI export. I guess that means whatever is in the Mob/Port field determines what is appended. Sorry for using the incorrect term of OPMODE or MODE in the original post. 73, Johnny KI4WCQ |
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Greetings,
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I have added an option on the ADIF export screen to allow /M to be appended for mobile contacts. I think the /P is a bit more messy. a couple of years ago one of our members sent out a huge pile of cards and he had his call sign appended with /P5. Another question arose about DX, specifically Canada. How should these be reported in ADIF Dean Davis, N7XG -------- Original Message --------
From: "rjlorenzen@... [N7XGlogsupport]"<N7XGlogsupport@...> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 4:08 PMmuch of a pattern for how people sign mobile, etc. You might consider adding a duplicate qso without the /M suffix; it might up your match rate. In all but one of my matched qsos with mobiles, they used just their base callsigns. they do accept our cards and we DO believe that! It is possible to get two or three matches from state lines or tri-states. It is only neccessary for the fixed station to upload duplicate qsos at slightly different times (a minute difference works), else the records just overwrite each other. The mobile just does a separate upload for each state (which is normal), but again with the qsos at slightly different times. This gets more interesting with mobile to mobile tri-states, however. If he says mobile, I log /M. Likewise if he says portable, it is /P or if he says stoke 3 I log /3. Hopefully he has made a certifcate for the way he signs on the air. on where he indicates he is, that is determined by the certificate he used to sign the log...which means he would need multiple mobile or portable certificates for the state visited and signs with the right one. few, from various states they operated from. Also, have them from no CCN ops who signed their call and was recorded in that manner. home, let alone mobile or portable. position of ARRL is that you can't be in two places at the same time.
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I see the problem a P5 would cause, but you can't account for all cases of stupidity or ignorance by an operator.? I would simply offer the option of /P.? If it is something more unusual such as /call area or some other way to sign a call, we just live with it and know it means manual editing for an upload.
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I don't know what you are asking in regards to DX and Canada.? Can you elaborate? Johnny KI4WCQ ---In N7XGlogsupport@..., <dean@...> wrote : Greetings, I have added an option on the ADIF export screen to allow /M to be appended for mobile contacts. I think the /P is a bit more messy. a couple of years ago one of our members sent out a huge pile of cards and he had his call sign appended with /P5. Another question arose about DX, specifically Canada. How should these be reported in ADIF Dean Davis, N7XG -------- Original Message --------
> From: "rjlorenzen@... [N7XGlogsupport]"<N7XGlogsupport@...> > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 4:08 PMmuch of a pattern for how people sign mobile, etc. You might consider adding a duplicate qso without the /M suffix; it might up your match rate. In all but one of my matched qsos with mobiles, they used just their base callsigns. >they do accept our cards and we DO believe that! It is possible to get two or three matches from state lines or tri-states. It is only neccessary for the fixed station to upload duplicate qsos at slightly different times (a minute difference works), else the records just overwrite each other. The mobile just does a separate upload for each state (which is normal), but again with the qsos at slightly different times. This gets more interesting with mobile to mobile tri-states, however. >If he says mobile, I log /M. Likewise if he says portable, it is /P or if he says stoke 3 I log /3. Hopefully he has made a certifcate for the way he signs on the air. >on where he indicates he is, that is determined by the certificate he used to sign the log...which means he would need multiple mobile or portable certificates for the state visited and signs with the right one. >few, from various states they operated from. Also, have them from no CCN ops who signed their call and was recorded in that manner. >home, let alone mobile or portable. >position of ARRL is that you can't be in two places at the same time. > |
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What I have seen in the past were things like this:
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VE3/W1ABC or W1ABC/VE3 What I will add is a second check ox to append the /P and hopefully people can figure it out for them selves. Dean Davis, N7XG -------- Original Message --------
From: "ki4wcq52@... [N7XGlogsupport]"<N7XGlogsupport@...> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:07 AMof stupidity or ignorance by an operator. I would simply offer the option of /P. If it is something more unusual such as /call area or some other way to sign a call, we just live with it and know it means manual editing for an upload. elaborate? should these be reported in ADIFmailto:N7XGlogsupport@... seeSubject: [N7XGlogsupport] Re: Future plans much of a pattern for how people sign mobile, etc. You might considerrate. In all but one of my matched qsos with mobiles, they used just theirbase callsigns.twothey do accept our cards and we DO believe that! It is possible to get or three matches from state lines or tri-states. It is only neccessaryfor the fixed station to upload duplicate qsos at slightly different times(a minute difference works), else the records just overwrite each other.The mobile just does a separate upload for each state (which is normal), butinteresting with mobile to mobile tri-states, however.mailto:N7XGlogsupport@..., <ki4wcq52@...> wrote : call. If he says mobile, I log /M. Likewise if he says portable, it is /P orif he says stoke 3 I log /3. Hopefully he has made a certifcate for the wayhe signs on the air.control on where he indicates he is, that is determined by the certificate heused to sign the log...which means he would need multiple mobile or portablea few, from various states they operated from. Also, have them from no CCNfrom home, let alone mobile or portable.position of ARRL is that you can't be in two places at the same time. |
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For Canada, a US op is supposed to sign as Call/Canadian identifier, e.g., KI4WCQ/VE3. I think that is the way the call should be entered under call in a logger.? Most of the time one would see the above logged in N7XG as KI4WCQ? portable?? VE3, which may work for the way the logger keeps track of everything, but I don't think it's the way it should be done....i.e., as how it would be done in any other logger or on paper. I have heard many US stations check into our nets from Canada, and they generally don't sign their call as the rules for Canadian operation state, or the call isn't usually put into the logger the way they signed or should sign. OTOH, stations like K9EA check in properly with the Canadian identifier on the nets where I saw him in Canada and it seems to have made it into the logger in those cases.? When it doesn't, this could be remedied by the NCS, but sometimes one may not be familiar with CEPT or IARP rules.? Some require the country identifier before the call, some require it at the end of the call as Canada. I think in these few DX cases, we can deal with a manual edit if we need to. 73, Johnny KI4WCQ ---In N7XGlogsupport@..., <dean@...> wrote : What I have seen in the past were things like this: VE3/W1ABC or W1ABC/VE3 What I will add is a second check ox to append the /P and hopefully people can figure it out for them selves. Dean Davis, N7XG -------- Original Message --------
> From: "ki4wcq52@... [N7XGlogsupport]"<N7XGlogsupport@...> > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:07 AMof stupidity or ignorance by an operator. I would simply offer the option of /P. If it is something more unusual such as /call area or some other way to sign a call, we just live with it and know it means manual editing for an upload. >elaborate? >should > these be reported in ADIFmailto:N7XGlogsupport@... > > Subject: [N7XGlogsupport] Re: Future planssee > much of a pattern for how people sign mobile, etc. You might considerrate. > In all but one of my matched qsos with mobiles, they used just theirbase > callsigns.two > or three matches from state lines or tri-states. It is only neccessaryfor > the fixed station to upload duplicate qsos at slightly different times(a > minute difference works), else the records just overwrite each other.The > mobile just does a separate upload for each state (which is normal), butinteresting > with mobile to mobile tri-states, however.mailto:N7XGlogsupport@..., <ki4wcq52@...> wrote : > >call. > If he says mobile, I log /M. Likewise if he says portable, it is /P orif > he says stoke 3 I log /3. Hopefully he has made a certifcate for the wayhe > signs on the air.control > on where he indicates he is, that is determined by the certificate heused > to sign the log...which means he would need multiple mobile or portablea > few, from various states they operated from. Also, have them from no CCNfrom > home, let alone mobile or portable. |
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I suppose what I need to do is not export the state field and figure out
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how the ADIF specification wants it. Dean Davis, N7XG -------- Original Message --------
From: "rjlorenzen@... [N7XGlogsupport]"<N7XGlogsupport@...> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 11:13 PMprovince abbrev in the STATE field.
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