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I just got a Neptune 16 yesterday, not put in the water yet, hopefully this afternoon or tomorrow. ? I see that this group isn’t very active, so posting just to see if anyone still reads it. ? Let me know if you do follow, and still have an N-16, or parts, or advice?

Gary
Shawnigan Lake, BC

Hi Gary. I wasn’t even aware I was part of this group…not sure how active it is. If you’re on Facebook, there is an active group called “The 16 Sailing Crew (Neptune 16, Newport 16, Gloucester 16).?
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Congrats, Gary!? That boat looks great!
My N-16 has sailed twice in BC, both times on Stave Lake, NE of Vancouver.? I hope to get it back on the water this summer, probably at the same place.
I don't participate in Facebook.? Hopefully there are a few other N-16 sailors who will also stick around this group and help us all keep these boats afloat.
Halden

I’m still around- I don’t have parts and I haven’t sailed much. ?Planning to rig some way to raise the mast by myself!!

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Geoff, ?thanks for the pointer. ?I just put in my join request to the Facebook group, but will probably still look here periodically for non-facebookers.

gary

Hi Elaine,?

Even though I'm new to having my own boat, I might be able to give you some suggestions on raising the mast, first the method to do it without mechanical assistance, and the second to use a "gin pole":

1/? ?I've now stepped the mast twice, once with the previous owner, and once on my own when I got home.? ?While I am a fairly hefty, but older, man, I was able to step it without any assistance by walking it forward, while the boat is still on the trailer:? 1/ Slide mast down on the rudder-mounted support until the other end, the mast foot, is at the mast step/bracket and wiggle it into place in the mastfoot.? Remove cabin hatch to give free horizontal access to the mast foot? 2/ Feed and attach the side shrouds to the boat attachment points. 3/ Align the loose forestay on top of all the rigging, and towards the front of the boat 4/? Starting standing in the back of the cockpit, lift the mast and check/fiddle a bit to ensure the mast base stays in the mast foot slots.? ?5/? Walk forward in the cockpit reaching up high to raise the mast as you go.? The side shrouds will tighten up and prevent the mast from going sideways, so you only need to make sure it doesn't fall backwards? 6/? Once you are at the end of the cockpit, you can push the mast past the side shrouds, and hold it there by? a combo of pulling forward on to the dangling loose forestay and holding the mast there.? 7/? The tricky bit is to keep the mast pulled slightly forward while you climb onto the cabin, or along side, keeping the mast pushed/pulled forward.? 8/Once you walk past the mast, you are in a safer zone and can keep the forestay tensioned with your hand while you walk to the very front.? 9/ You can now kneel down with the forestay still tensioned, and pin it in place. 10/? Breathe a sigh of relief.? 11/? I don't have a backstay on mine, but some N-16 boats do.? Those might be able to be attached before raising the mast, or perhaps as the final step.

2/? As far as adding mechanical advantage, see the attached excerpts from an old Royce's sailing book.? I think a "Gin Pole" is the most suitable for our boats.? You could probably use a simple 2X4 with a couple of fittings on either end to allow it to hinge on the mast foot, and hold the forestay in place.? Then you can pull the mast from the foredeck, without needing to walk or climb up the cockpit and deck.? I think I might even try this, as it seems safer.

Good Luck,
Gary

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Bill Chain
G-16
Carlisle, PA

The mast and boom carrying provision was fabricated by the previous owner, who had access to a welding shop. ?You’ll see in the picture that there’s a removable support that fits in the mast step. It’s held in by gravity, and the weight of the mast and boom. ?The bungies are fine for my 5 minute trip down to the boat ramp, but I want something a bit more secure for longer trips. ?

Thanks, Gary,
I'm going to think about doing something similar.? Without access to welding skill or equipment, I may fabricate something from wood and bolt it to the side of the fore or aft mast support.? I've been tying my boom to the cockpit railing with bungee cords.? It works, but takes too much time.
Cheers
Halden

Yes, probably the forward support is best since the boom will fit between there and the mast step.? And it would be easy enough to fabricate a midpoint support at the mast step, say from a 2X6, that stands in the mast step to support the aft end of the boom (and middle of the mast).? I would probably do that myself (from wood) even if I just wanted to prototype it before going to a welding shop.

Nice alternative Mark. ?Hmm, I wonder if one could take it a step further. ? There’s a thread about lazy jacks on the Facebook forum. ?An evolution of lazy jacks are called “stack packs” (see picture) Essentially a boom and sail bag that stays attached to the boom. ?Anyone who watched Malizia or the other boats in the Ocean Race leg 3 would have seen their stack pack bags. ?You drop the sail into it, then zip it closed. ?In our case the bag design would need to allow for removal of the boom and stowing in the footwell or cabin. ? I wasn’t that enthusiastic about lazy jacks due to the extra rigging time, but the bag-onthe-boom idea is something I’m going to google more and let percolate.

Gary

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Bill Chain
G-16
Carlisle, PA

I also like the time saver of leaving the sail attached to the boom. ?So far, all of my sailing is at our lake 5 minutes away (Shawnigan Lake, BC) so I can just lay things in the cockpit. ? I tried it, rolling the sail around the boom and I found the right size of windsurfing sail bag (as an ex windsurfer, I have dozens of sails and bags). ?Here it is. This will also save my almost new mainsail from the wear and tear.