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Hi Elaine,?

Even though I'm new to having my own boat, I might be able to give you some suggestions on raising the mast, first the method to do it without mechanical assistance, and the second to use a "gin pole":

1/? ?I've now stepped the mast twice, once with the previous owner, and once on my own when I got home.? ?While I am a fairly hefty, but older, man, I was able to step it without any assistance by walking it forward, while the boat is still on the trailer:? 1/ Slide mast down on the rudder-mounted support until the other end, the mast foot, is at the mast step/bracket and wiggle it into place in the mastfoot.? Remove cabin hatch to give free horizontal access to the mast foot? 2/ Feed and attach the side shrouds to the boat attachment points. 3/ Align the loose forestay on top of all the rigging, and towards the front of the boat 4/? Starting standing in the back of the cockpit, lift the mast and check/fiddle a bit to ensure the mast base stays in the mast foot slots.? ?5/? Walk forward in the cockpit reaching up high to raise the mast as you go.? The side shrouds will tighten up and prevent the mast from going sideways, so you only need to make sure it doesn't fall backwards? 6/? Once you are at the end of the cockpit, you can push the mast past the side shrouds, and hold it there by? a combo of pulling forward on to the dangling loose forestay and holding the mast there.? 7/? The tricky bit is to keep the mast pulled slightly forward while you climb onto the cabin, or along side, keeping the mast pushed/pulled forward.? 8/Once you walk past the mast, you are in a safer zone and can keep the forestay tensioned with your hand while you walk to the very front.? 9/ You can now kneel down with the forestay still tensioned, and pin it in place. 10/? Breathe a sigh of relief.? 11/? I don't have a backstay on mine, but some N-16 boats do.? Those might be able to be attached before raising the mast, or perhaps as the final step.

2/? As far as adding mechanical advantage, see the attached excerpts from an old Royce's sailing book.? I think a "Gin Pole" is the most suitable for our boats.? You could probably use a simple 2X4 with a couple of fittings on either end to allow it to hinge on the mast foot, and hold the forestay in place.? Then you can pull the mast from the foredeck, without needing to walk or climb up the cockpit and deck.? I think I might even try this, as it seems safer.

Good Luck,
Gary

Geoff, ?thanks for the pointer. ?I just put in my join request to the Facebook group, but will probably still look here periodically for non-facebookers.

gary

I’m still around- I don’t have parts and I haven’t sailed much. ?Planning to rig some way to raise the mast by myself!!

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Congrats, Gary!? That boat looks great!
My N-16 has sailed twice in BC, both times on Stave Lake, NE of Vancouver.? I hope to get it back on the water this summer, probably at the same place.
I don't participate in Facebook.? Hopefully there are a few other N-16 sailors who will also stick around this group and help us all keep these boats afloat.
Halden

Hi Gary. I wasn’t even aware I was part of this group…not sure how active it is. If you’re on Facebook, there is an active group called “The 16 Sailing Crew (Neptune 16, Newport 16, Gloucester 16).?
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I just got a Neptune 16 yesterday, not put in the water yet, hopefully this afternoon or tomorrow. ? I see that this group isn’t very active, so posting just to see if anyone still reads it. ? Let me know if you do follow, and still have an N-16, or parts, or advice?

Gary
Shawnigan Lake, BC

Hi Tod,

Thanks for the link and for posting all that detail!? I looked up the Spirit 23 on the internet and found that its windows originally had trim, as mine did.? Did you retain the inside trim, or did you do something else to spiff it up inside?

It’s not so sunny in Cascadia, so I’m going to use clear acrylic.? Being clear might make it look odd to have paint on the inside to cover the tape.? And like you, I’m suspicious of the paint’s strength.? So I’m thinking of painting the outside perimeter and edge of the window white, and using white silicone sealant.? I’ve used VHB tape in other applications – very impressive strength!? I also have some really sticky silicone meant for holding junction boxes to PV modules.? I’m pretty sure that the combination will be strong enough to hold the window on.? But in a blowdown, “pretty sure” isn’t good enough, so I’ll want to install some bolts, too.? Do you think 4 bolts – one above, one below, one fore, and one aft would be enough?

Any thoughts about painting the acrylic on the outside? Or any other aspect of this plan?
Thanks for the offer to look for leftover fasteners.? Once I settle on my plan and scrounge through my fasteners collection to gather the parts, I'll contact you if I can't find something.

Cheers

Halden

Thanks, Tod, for that idea.? I'd love to see a photo.? Did you put the VHB tape all around the perimeter, or just use a few pieces to hold it while you applying silicone and installing screws?? Did you use the original holes for the screws?? They're uneven on my boat.
-Halden

20+ years of sunshine turned iNept’s cabin windows white.? Today I started on the replacement project.? It turns out that the hull thickness varies around the window perimeter, so the assembler used screws that are longer than needed and then cut them off even with the acorn nuts.? By bending the screws and distorting the threads during that cut, the worker achieved additional assurance that those fasteners wouldn’t come loose on their own.? My error was to try turning the screws from the outside before going inside to grab the nuts.? Consequentially, the screws became unstuck and I had to hold each screw from the outside while turning the nut with a ratchet on the inside – an awkward stretch.? It went faster on the port side; I didn’t mess with the screws at first; I went right to the acorn nuts and was able to get all but one of them off, working only from the inside.

Cutting replacement acrylic will be fairly easy.? But I could use some help dealing with the trim.? It became brittle and broke in several places over the years.? Is there any other material I could use for the trim to help keep the window and its sealant in place?? Any other solution ideas?

Thanks!

Halden

Congratulations, Bill, on a delightful vacation!? Thanks for posting those photos.? I also had the fortune to go sailing on Saturday.? It was my Neptune 16's first time in the water since I refurbished its corroded, delaminated keel 5 years ago.? Conditions were ideal - light but steady wind, a beautiful lake, and the company of friends on another boat (faster than us).? If not for the pandemic, we would have rotated crew members between the boats.? The boat projects now at the top of the queue are solar-powered cabin venting and replacing the port windows that have turned white due to too much sun.? I still hope for another spin on the lake before rainy season sets in here in BC.
-Halden

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Hey fellow trailer sailers,

Just wanted to share some pics of my 5 day vacation at the Chesapeake. We rented a home in Sherwood MD and sailed each day out the Harris Creek to the Bay. Great weather 65 to 70, light winds 4-7 mph. Not the last trip of the season! I’m determined to keep sailing until November. I’m looking forward to pulling and servicing the swing keel this winter... I know I’ll have lots of questions.

Take care all. - Bill

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Bill Chain
G-16
Carlisle, PA

Beautiful!? I'd love to know some details, as my boat needs some work too.? One of my next tasks is to add some venting.? I was scheming a way to make a vent with PVC elbows from the hardware store because marine hardware is so expensive, but I don't have a solution yet.? How did you do it?? The vent on the foredeck looks great; where did you get it?? I intend to put a fan to draw air in from the front, and put a louver vent into the hatch cover as an outlet.? The fan would run from a solar panel so that airflow is the highest when the outside air is most likely to be dry.? Are you using a fan?? So many more questions, but what really needs to happen now is for you to go sailing!
Cheers
Halden

My 1981 Neptune 16's masthead sheave (for the main halyard) doesn't turn.? I took it apart and found out why.? The block's inside surface is rough and the nylon sheave fits tightly.? Is there supposed to be a pair of thin pieces of metal between the cast aluminium block and the nylon sheave?? Also, there is no sleeve or other bushing around the bolt that holds it in.? Should there be?? The photos below illustrate what I have.


Thanks in advance for someone's guidance!
-Halden

Just finished a 99% refit...all new paint, inside and out, new deck fittings, new cleats, new venting, redone brightwork, all new running rigging, etc.? Learned a ton and had fun, other than painting with Interlux Perfection 2-Part.? Stay AWAY from that stuff! Here are a few before and after pics.

-Geoff?

Here's some more information from the University of Tennessee website:

I don't know who the author is.

Newport/Gloucester/Neptune Connections Discussion

Following are excerpts from an email exchange (authors names omitted) on the connnections between the Newport, Gloucester, and Neptune boats. It isn't much, but if you have what you expect may be one of these boats, this may be all the information you can find.

"Gloucester bought Lockly-Newport in 1982. They bought the molds for the newport line. An outfit in Chanute(sp), Ks. now has the molds. I looked them up on the internet and it seems they are only building the 23 ft version. The Neptune 16 (rumor has it) is a derivitive of the Newport 16. Heresay says the Newport owners ex is/was building the Neptune. That info could be bogus, but the similarity is amazing. I believe it is still available from Capital Yachts in Harbor City, Ca."

"According to the SBJ article from Aug/Sept 1983 issue: "C. William Lapworth originally designed her in the mid-sixties for Robert Dorris as a daysailer that would sell against the Lido 14 in Southern California. She was called the Columbia 15 back then, and had no cuddy. ...Dick Lindsey, who asked Lapworth to add the cabin and renamed the boat the Newport 16." There is no date given for the addition of the cuddy."

"Yup, Gloucester Yachts of Virginia built the 16, 19, 22, 23, and some smaller ones as well (though I don't think they were named Gloucesters). When Gloucester closed production, the molds for the 19 were picked up by Quickstep who built it as the Quickstep 19. They, too, have ceased production. The 22 was picked up by Classic Yachts of Chanute Kansas, who still make them on a semi-custom basis. I don't know what happened to the 16 and 23. Somewhere in my files I have the name of the designer who designed the 16 -- it may have been Bill Lapworth who designed it as the Neptune, I think. The 22 was designed by a different designer. "

"So far as I know, the 22 is the only one still in production.I have never heard of a 22 Newport by Capital Yachts. I am not saying they do not exist, just that I am not familiar. I do not recall seeing one on the Newport Owner's website, either. I have a 28' and a 33'. and it has been difficult to obtain information on the boats built by Capital as Newports are not all that common in the Galveston area. I'd like to hear more about the 22'."

"I am about to finish full restoration of what I believe is an older (circa 1965-55) Newport 16. There is no identification anywhere on the hull. The only clue is that the previous owner says it is a Newport 16 and N 16 on the original mainsail. It has a fixed keel, cuddy cabin that will sleep 2, built in potty and is built like a tank. I cannot find much info on Newport Boats and nothing at all on the 16. If anyone has any leads or links pls let me know."

"A friend and I compared notes a few years back. He had a Gulf, also a Capital Yacht model. Gulf's were the pilot house versions of the Newports. His 29 Gulf was so similar to my 28 Newport that they appeared to have come from the same mold. He had attempted to visit the firm in Calif. about 1993 and found it closed down. The only model we identified in addition to those two, were the Neptunes, which appear to be the smaller line of Capital. The web site with the owner's names has been really useful. I'd suggest you contact the site manager for help. Also, start at the top of the owner's list and work down. I've done that to a limited extent - there were some who did not respond but most will. I know nothing about the Gloucester."

"Newport 16 was first. Neptune 16 was an off shoot of the Newport 16. Different sail plan (shorter boom) and dog house (which reduces foredeck area). Gloucester 16 was made from the Newport 16 molds/tooling that Gloucester bought from Newport. Who bought the Newport/Gloucester 16 molds could have been Classic in Ks. You might e-mail them and find out if they have the molds. Classic has a web site and they still make the Newport 23', but they call it something else. My boat is an old Newport 16 manufactured in 1973 and does not have a hull ID number. It was made prior to the hull number requirement."

"She may be a Neptune 16. Neptune's were the smaller size sailing vessels built by Capital Yachts. Capital was often referred to as Newport"

"Look at the capital yacht web site . It has a spec. section on the Neptune 16. Not a great deal of information, but some."

"Thank You! I have looked at it and the description does not match. Thus I suspect it may be an original Newport 16."

"Thank You for the info. Went out on maiden voyage this afternoon. Very light winds, but what a little sweetheart! I will post a photo in a few days and maybe you can let me know if it looks like your N16. I saw a picture of a Newport 24 or 27 for sale and the sail markings were identical...N over a dash with boat length underneath."

"You may have a Newport 16. I have been looking into the connection between Newport and Neptune. Look in the book "Sailing on a Microbudget" by Larry Brown. There are a couple of pages discussing the Glouchester 16 which I think the author says was originally the Newport 16. There is also a picture of a Neptune 16, which the author says is a West Coast offshoot of the Glouchester/Newport 16. I think given the vintage of your boat, it is quite possible it is a Newport. You would need to find out when Neptune boats were made; they may not have been made until after your boat was made."

"Try Lockley Newport. Our 17 foot is a Lockley Newport. That was the only info we were able to find out on it."

From the yahoo group description:
"C. William Lapworth (of Cal 40 fame) originally designed her in the mid-sixties for Robert Dorris as a daysailer that would sell against the Lido 14 in southern California. She was called the COLUMBIA 15 back then, and had no cuddy. Dorris sold the molds to Dick Lindsey of Lindsey Plastics who asked Lapworth to add a cabin and renamed the boat the NEWPORT 16 (at the time Lindsey Plastics was building the Newport 20,27,30 and 41). The Newport 16 name stuck, even though the molds changed hands a few times after that. The molds were bought by Enterprise Yachts of FL (ENTERPRISE NEWPORT 16), Award Boats of Melbourne, FL (AWARD NEWPORT 16) and then later came into the hands of Newport Boats . In 1976 Newport Boats was purchased by Lockley Manufacturing and became Lockley Newport Boats (LOCKLEY NEWPORT 16). In 1981 the molds were sold to Gloucester Yachts where it became the GLOUCESTER 16.

Newport Boats, of California, in existence at least as early as 1964, was a builder of fiberglass dinghies and daysailers. They also had a factory in Gloucester, VA (Mobjack Mfg.). The Company was purchased first by Browning Arms in 1965, then by Elgin National Industries who had also purchased Lindsey Plastics and Enterprise Yachts. After Elgin bought Lindsey Plastics Dick Lindsey started Lindsey Yachts in Miami and continued to offer the LINDSEY NEWPORT 16.

Capital Yachts Corporation was founded in 1971 when Jon Williams and Bill Smith bought the tooling of the Newport Fleet from Elgin National Industries. Together, with the aid of designers Gary Mull and Cuthbertson & Cassian, they formed a new and updated fleet of Newport sailboats which were manufactured at their plant in Harbor City, California. Capital Yachts modified the Newport 16 by enlarging the cabin and named it the CAPITAL NEPTUNE 16."