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Arnold, Roco and Fleischmann cars


 

Two questions for those who either model European trains or who mix and match European and North American prototype equipment.?


First, for 1950s forward European prototypes, which manufacturer is better?

Second, if you’re running mixed American and European equipment on your pike, do you standardize on micro trains (or compatible) couplers, or do you leave the Arnold Rapido style couplers be?

what I want to do is intermix a later (1970s) DB IC/TEE consist and a D Trans Euro Nacht consist with my US HW and streamline trains. This would include German steam, and possibly a 103 class electric.?
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John Perkowski
BNSF (CB&Q) MP 9.6
Along the route of the Pioneer Zephyr
Parkville, MO


 

John,

I have quite a bit of British and German equipment in my collection.?
If you're?referring?to just coaches and carriages, Trix, Fleischmann and Roco (and Graham Farish and Dapol, among others) all produce cars of excellent detail and operation. The more recent productions are better, and most of these have the more modern NEM coupler adapter, which allows a number of different British/European couplers to be fitted. Unfortunately, NEMs don't take microtrains?couplers, as far as I know. And may need to add weight to bring them up to NMRA standards.

Regards,

Dallan

P.S. I despise Rapido style couplers.

On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:50?AM John Perkowski via <johnwperkowski=[email protected]> wrote:

Two questions for those who either model European trains or who mix and match European and North American prototype equipment.?


First, for 1950s forward European prototypes, which manufacturer is better?

Second, if you’re running mixed American and European equipment on your pike, do you standardize on micro trains (or compatible) couplers, or do you leave the Arnold Rapido style couplers be?

what I want to do is intermix a later (1970s) DB IC/TEE consist and a D Trans Euro Nacht consist with my US HW and streamline trains. This would include German steam, and possibly a 103 class electric.?
--
John Perkowski
BNSF (CB&Q) MP 9.6
Along the route of the Pioneer Zephyr
Parkville, MO


 

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There was (still is?) a modeler Chris White in the Atlanta area who has a British themed HO scale layout that I visited years ago. Chris is from the UK as well. I was surprised to see his equipment using Kadee knuckle couplers in between the buffers on his models. I asked him about it and he said even though they weren’t prototypical for British equipment they just seemed to work much better than any of the European standard couplers that were on the market.

Jason Parham?


On Feb 19, 2024, at 10:53 PM, dallanscale <Dallanschowe@...> wrote:

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John,

I have quite a bit of British and German equipment in my collection.?
If you're?referring?to just coaches and carriages, Trix, Fleischmann and Roco (and Graham Farish and Dapol, among others) all produce cars of excellent detail and operation. The more recent productions are better, and most of these have the more modern NEM coupler adapter, which allows a number of different British/European couplers to be fitted. Unfortunately, NEMs don't take microtrains?couplers, as far as I know. And may need to add weight to bring them up to NMRA standards.

Regards,

Dallan

P.S. I despise Rapido style couplers.

On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:50?AM John Perkowski via <johnwperkowski=[email protected]> wrote:

Two questions for those who either model European trains or who mix and match European and North American prototype equipment.?


First, for 1950s forward European prototypes, which manufacturer is better?

Second, if you’re running mixed American and European equipment on your pike, do you standardize on micro trains (or compatible) couplers, or do you leave the Arnold Rapido style couplers be?

what I want to do is intermix a later (1970s) DB IC/TEE consist and a D Trans Euro Nacht consist with my US HW and streamline trains. This would include German steam, and possibly a 103 class electric.?
--
John Perkowski
BNSF (CB&Q) MP 9.6
Along the route of the Pioneer Zephyr
Parkville, MO


 

Hey John,?

in the early 1980s I had the pleasure of knowing a very good and kind retailer in Germany; I also picked up several items (though they do t get run often anymore).

MiniTrix, Arnold Rapido, and Fleischmann made exquisite models, and the prototype usually determined the brand the locals bought. I have two complete Trix trains, and several Bavarian early (epoch 1?) passenger cars, and am still looking for steam locks to pull them. I also have the cars for a Fleischmann commuter train (silverfish) that doesn’t have a loco yet. The rolling stock is practically identical.

i don’t mix trains, or plan to, BUT caused quite a stir by converting an Arnold Rapido overhead wire work car to Micro-Trains! The dealer friend “borrowed” it for an event in Nurnberg, which made him the talk of the town for a while.

The only European (continental) I did not take a shine to was Lima. They seemed a bit coarse compared to the others. And my British equipment really disappoints me, mostly because of poor running locos, painted-on details for passenger cars, and crude freight cars. I understand they are upping their game lately, but I already have way too much to keep me busy with my American layouts (in the UK) to devote any more to UK trains.

happy modelling!

Dennis


 

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Odd, Dapol makes a snap-in that’ll hook to microtrains…


 

The back end of these Dapol couplers are for the NEM adapter. It's possible that this coupler will work with a MT coupler, I've never tried it. But then I've never tried to run English and US equipment together before.

Dallan

On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 6:00?PM Dave <4437087@...> wrote:

Odd, Dapol makes a snap-in that’ll hook to microtrains…


 

I realize the gauge is the same, but aren't UK models typically 1:148 rather than 1:160? How do they look visually with the US models??
Ben

On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 2:26?AM dallanscale <Dallanschowe@...> wrote:
The back end of these Dapol couplers are for the NEM adapter. It's possible that this coupler will work with a MT coupler, I've never tried it. But then I've never tried to run English and US equipment together before.

Dallan

On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 6:00?PM Dave <4437087@...> wrote:

Odd, Dapol makes a snap-in that’ll hook to microtrains…


 

John,
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I would add Piko and Brawa to the list of very nice passenger equipment.
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My suggestion is to equip one US heavy weight car with Rapido couplers on one end. I have done that with two trains of old Rivarossi passenger cars. I actually like the Rapido couplers on those because they make a closer coupling then replacing then with Microtrain trucks.
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When it comes to motive power, I'm not very happy with Fleischman or any other that still use their tenders as the driver. Tender wheels have some traction tires. In other words any steam engine (in my opinion) where the drivers are actually drivers will outperform the tender drive.
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That doesn't mean that they are really good looking models, just don't expect to pull long trains.
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Peter Schumann


 

Hi Ben,

Actually, British coaches are shorter and narrower than US equipment, so when you scale them down the sizes don't seem that different. They just have a different look/feel compared to US coaches.

Dallan

On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 8:12?AM Peter <pschumi1@...> wrote:
John,
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I would add Piko and Brawa to the list of very nice passenger equipment.
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My suggestion is to equip one US heavy weight car with Rapido couplers on one end. I have done that with two trains of old Rivarossi passenger cars. I actually like the Rapido couplers on those because they make a closer coupling then replacing then with Microtrain trucks.
?
When it comes to motive power, I'm not very happy with Fleischman or any other that still use their tenders as the driver. Tender wheels have some traction tires. In other words any steam engine (in my opinion) where the drivers are actually drivers will outperform the tender drive.
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That doesn't mean that they are really good looking models, just don't expect to pull long trains.
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Peter Schumann


 

Hello all....
I strongly suggest, as it's near a recommendation as I can get to in this hobby...
That People Treat N Scale with an International Flavor rather then a US only mindset.
This may lead you to the ESU ECoS which I do recommend.
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European on my layout too ?
Been that that way myself since the early 70's....Early 1970's we didn't have a lot of Other Choices.

Which answered the other question over 50 years ago about?
Rapido vs MTL Body Mounted ?
before they began to throw and even wider loop for N Scale...by decreasing the radius...and causing Truck Mounted Couplers.


"The obvious solution was body-mounting all couplers. Unfortunately, that meant converting several hundred cars. Fortunately I had learned to body-mount Kadee couplers in the early ’70s, back when truck-mounted knuckle ?couplers hadn’t been ?introduced yet."

Don't let the print date fool you, this article is decades old.
I too had bought Kadee with body mounted couplers but a few Rapido on Trucks snuck into my drawer by 1974...
This too will change.

For the Train Store in Santa Clara helped immensely, not only by carrying MTL Body Mounted Couplers but also "Z Scale Body Mounted couplers with short shanks."
Been all MTL ever since...
Those purchases of Non Body Mounted or worse, are not allowed into my train room; till the conversion is made.

It's the only thing I seem to be "religious" about.
Convert or be Damned @!
:)) Mark
Muddville, California?

Why has not NMRA and all others known this and make it Law ?
I have only recently become a member of the NMRA, though I have been modeling with operational layouts since 1959.
Please...Don't put me up for office, serve on any committees or even man a Meet and Greet Membership Table.
"Disdain" it too light a word for my feelings over bad couplers..which are anything other than MTL Body Mounted.
I hate the politics which didn't allow the NMRA to accept body mounted MTL couplers as standard and basically disapprove any N scale Item to market, which can't effectively be run directly out of the box.

However....
Who would I have to thank for 90+% of my inventory which has reached my eager hands...LNIB ?
Thank You Wannabes, Enthusiasts and Collectors..even the Hoarders failed layouts multiple times.
Without you, I wouldn't have an inventory mostly purchased at 10? or less to the Train Store MSRP + ?$.