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Simple set up for concert recording?

W2HX All Messages By This Member #35797 开云体育 Wow. This one is great too! This group is amazing ? ? 73 Eugene W2HX Subscribe to my Youtube Channel:? ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jules Ryckebusch via groups.io Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2023 7:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MicBuilders] Simple set up for concert recording? ? I have been using dual output microphones in traditional stereo setups (ORTF etc) and then changing the patterns in pos. Works really well. I record high school choir and orchestras?where the number?of musicians and placement?varies between songs and I can not move the mics. I presented a paper on this at the last AES and put most of the info in here:? ? It?works really well.? ? Jules ? ? ? On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 4:59?AM Paul Doornbusch <paul.doornbusch@...> wrote: This is well covered by the Stereo Recording Angle, see ? ? ? You can play with the parameters there and see what happens to the stereo image etc. ? On 12 Nov 2023, at 21:40, ilya dontsov <ilya.dontsov@...> wrote: ? That’s all correct except one thing.? Spaced omnis do make great recordings and nice stereo. You just don’t put them a meter apart as is often suggested. Instead, use a narrower setup with 30-40cm between the capsules.? Actually, when choosing a stereo system, one has to consider the width of the source. For wide sources a spaced pair is a better choice because of its extended recording angle (up to 180 degrees).? ? ? -- Best Regards, ? Jules Ryckebusch ? 214 399 0931 ?
Jonathan Duckett All Messages By This Member #35798 Ilya, Here is a very short piano excerpt. There are three stereo files: 1) Mix of front pair (0db) plus rear pair (-4db) 2) Front pair only 3) Rear pair attenuated by about 4 db https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/eensbxw5a39tjfnziow31/h?rlkey=5w11ppxae35g6jeukkxngp6wg&dl=0 I probably had the mic array too close to the instrument, so in the mix I was glad to have had the rear pair. Regards, Jonathan
David Pinnegar All Messages By This Member #35799 Here's a comparison between Home-upgraded Ribbon and AKG D224 and analogue vs digital Best wishes David P toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 8:07?PM W2HX <w2hx@...> wrote: Hi there. I tried to watch that video with the link provided but I got a message, "This video isn't available anymore" Any chance this video can be found elsewhere? I'm eager to have a listen to these mics. thanks 73 Eugene W2HX Subscribe to my Youtube Channel: -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Pinnegar via groups.io Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2023 6:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MicBuilders] Simple set up for concert recording? The AKG D200, D202, D220 and Oktava MD186 mics are all dual capsule, cardioid, with next to no proximity effect and excellent bass with their dedicated bass capsule. was recorded with a pair of AKG D202 with a 10% mix of an upgraded cheap chinese to give extra high fizz. Best wishes David P On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 11:14?PM eric benjamin <ericmbenj@...> wrote: I have no experience with those particular microphones. But there is a general problem with the low-frequency response of cardioid microphones. Theytend to have a free-field response that begins to roll off below about 150 Hz. Proximity effect gives a compensatory LF boost. As an example, I have several Audio Technica AT3031s. AT specs them as having a response that extends down to 30 Hz. But there is a footnote stating that the measurement is at 12 inches. At that distance the proximity effect begins below 174 Hz. It's actually more complicated than that. But the net result is that the microphone is quite flat down to low frequencies when it is placed 12 inches from the source but it is down many dB at low frequencies when it is 20 feet from the source, as it would be when used in a concert recording. So how to get the low frequency response that you desire? The simplest answer is to use an omnidirectional microphone. The Audio Technica omnidirectional microphone equivalent is the AT3032 and it has no attenuation at 30 Hz. Unfortunately spaced omni microphones do not give great stereo recordings. An alternative method would be to use equalization in the form of a shelf filter to compensate for the LF loss in the microphone. I can't give a very good recommendation for how much boost to use. -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - David Pinnegar, B.Sc., A.R.C.S. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +44 1342 850594 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - David Pinnegar, B.Sc., A.R.C.S. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +44 1342 850594
W2HX All Messages By This Member #35820 I just wanted to thank everyone who responded. I have settled on a pair of AT4041 mics and have placed an order. Fingers crossed I'm happy with the results! Thanks again! 73 Eugene W2HX Subscribe to my Youtube Channel:?
Jules Ryckebusch All Messages By This Member #35821 If they don’t work out you can always bust out your soldering iron ? Best Regards, Jules Ryckebusch toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Nov 14, 2023, at 15:37, W2HX <w2hx@...> wrote: ?I just wanted to thank everyone who responded. I have settled on a pair of AT4041 mics and have placed an order. Fingers crossed I'm happy with the results! Thanks again! 73 Eugene W2HX Subscribe to my Youtube Channel:

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