I have quite a few edge terminated externally polarised dual
diaphragm capsules of various flavours, chinese and otherwise,
including one that may be the same as in your link (though I
haven't tried that one yet).
All the chinese edge terminated LDC capsules mostly tend to being
rather bright, but they also vary a lot between
sellers/manufacturers, while looking almost the same externally.
I'm interested in a single diaphragm large capsule like the 3412
as I haven't got any of those and they may respond differently
from the ones that have a skin both sides, especially in the bass.
As far as frequency response goes a decent 6mm electret is
usually flatter than any chinese LDC - but of course that's not
the only criteria.
The chinese LDCs mostly seem to roll off fairly rapidly below
60hz or even higher.
There's no reason I know of why an electret should be noisier
than an externally polarised capsule if they are the same size.
Since the electret polarisation tends to be more extreme than
usually applied externally they may even work out quieter.
On 24/06/2022 12:58, Arjay 1949 wrote:
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hadn't noticed that the 3412? was a 34mm capsule -- my mistake -
sorry about that.
I hadn't thought about trying one. They are more expensive than
the 34mm LDC I'm using at present (
) which I've found to be pretty good.
Those are certainly less noisy, and have a better overall
frequency response than any of the electrets I've tried so far.
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I hadn't noticed that the 3412? was a 34mm capsule -- my mistake - sorry about that.
I hadn't thought about trying one. They are more expensive than the 34mm LDC I'm using at present ( ) which I've found to be pretty good.
Those are certainly less noisy, and have a better overall frequency response than any of the electrets I've tried so far.
I can see how the 16mm or 25mm electrets might be more suitable where it is not feasible to include 34mm capsules -- in multi capsule mics for example.
And there is of course a voltage multiplier to find room for, with externally polarised condenser mics..... Again, not always a sensible option.
As for EQ adjustments, I'm not a fan of adding passive EQ into the mic itself, to try and overcome the peaks and 'zing' of some of these capsules.
I prefer to either add any required EQ in post - for recordings - or do it at line level in my channel strip for real time live requirements. Better options to apply any EQ more precisely.
(Some notes on that project? ).
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On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 11:59 AM, thet wrote:
The 3412 is bigger than those brass 25mm capsules.
I have some of the brass ones and they do sound reasonably good (especially for ?3), but they have quite a pronounced peak around 10k - so there's a fizzy zingy sort of edge to the otherwise balanced tone.
The 2555B is well liked on this list (I don't have one) and by all accounts better than those ubiquitous brass 25mm capsules.
I am hoping the 3412 has a balanced tone similar to the 2555b rather than the zingy tone of the generic brass ones.
On 24/06/2022 10:58, Arjay 1949 wrote:
I suspect most of the FETless electrets of this type of construction are simply variations of the Chinese ones like this:?
which are often actually quite good. Usually a bit noisier than 34mm? non electret? LDC capsules, but not too bad.
The JLI data sheets don't help much, they're just mostly 'copy and paste' nonsense? ?(2k2ohm 'impedance' for a FETless electret?? )
Some electrets with that kind of backplate structure have grills across the front - some not.? Those that I've had from Aliexpress don't sound too bad.
Certainly very good value for money.....
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I have tried it. It does not have a pronounced peak. I actually like the TSB2555B better as an all around go to mic.
has anyone tried the JLI-3412 yet?
If so how does it compare to the 2555B or other well known capsules?
-- Best Regards,
Jules Ryckebusch
214 399 0931
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The 3412 is bigger than those brass 25mm capsules.
I have some of the brass ones and they do sound reasonably good
(especially for ?3), but they have quite a pronounced peak around
10k - so there's a fizzy zingy sort of edge to the otherwise
balanced tone.
The 2555B is well liked on this list (I don't have one) and by
all accounts better than those ubiquitous brass 25mm capsules.
I am hoping the 3412 has a balanced tone similar to the 2555b
rather than the zingy tone of the generic brass ones.
On 24/06/2022 10:58, Arjay 1949 wrote:
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I suspect most of the FETless electrets of this type of
construction are simply variations of the Chinese ones like this:?
which are often actually quite good. Usually a bit noisier than
34mm? non electret? LDC capsules, but not too bad.
The JLI data sheets don't help much, they're just mostly 'copy and
paste' nonsense? ?(2k2ohm 'impedance' for a FETless electret?? )
Some electrets with that kind of backplate structure have grills
across the front - some not.? Those that I've had from Aliexpress
don't sound too bad.
Certainly very good value for money.....
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I suspect most of the FETless electrets of this type of construction are simply variations of the Chinese ones like this:?
which are often actually quite good. Usually a bit noisier than 34mm? non electret? LDC capsules, but not too bad.
The JLI data sheets don't help much, they're just mostly 'copy and paste' nonsense? ?(2k2ohm 'impedance' for a FETless electret?? )
Some electrets with that kind of backplate structure have grills across the front - some not.? Those that I've had from Aliexpress don't sound too bad.
Certainly very good value for money.....
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Re: Can I adapt these mics?
Well, shoot. I NOW see somebody beat me to that pun ... JHR :-(
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Re: Can I adapt these mics?
but that actually does the opposite of what I want to do.
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Ah, yes, but would it not allow you to trace signal continuity from specific pins son the XLR connectors to their respective pins on the proprietary Zoom connector? I thought the suggestion was to pattern your own cable after the pin outs on the Zoom cable, the trick is knowing what pins on each connector match up.
Perhaps this is double reverse - reverse engineering ... like reverse-reverse psychology where you end up psyching yourself out, instead of the other guy? (Sorry, just poking some fun along the way...) :-) JHR
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has anyone tried the JLI-3412 yet?
If so how does it compare to the 2555B or other well known capsules?
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Gotta say I LOVED the red!? ---
Mateus Borges
audioFARM Recording Studios
Life's too short for bad tones!
There's always red
Can't help to find the "blue" rings are way too tame and actually look
like grey...
Le 2022-06-22 06:16, Ari a ¨¦crit?:
> Finished...ish? I keep getting stuck adding more detail when I'm doing
> stuff for render. If you zoom in on the side profile, you can see the
> lines from the lathe.
>
> On 6/21/2022 11:44 PM, Ari via wrote:
>> You would not believe how slow this is. Rendering time with the gold
>> sim: 3m40s. Rendering time without the gold sim (everything else
>> identical except the gold is opaque): 12s. Same samples per pixel and
>> noise level.
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>> On 6/21/2022 11:34 PM, Ari via wrote:
>>> Thanks Jules! Here's another angle. I think it captures all of the
>>> color changes of gold pretty well...
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>>> On 6/21/2022 11:33 PM, Jules Ryckebusch wrote:
>>>> Its beautiful!
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>>>> Best Regards,
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>>>> Jules
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>>>>> On Jun 21, 2022, at 22:27, Ari <soliloqueenwastaken@...>
>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> ?This isn't really on topic, but I wasn't satisfied with any of the
>>>>> existing solutions for rendering the gold trace on the diaphragm in
>>>>> my capsule visualization, so I rigged up my own model. Here it is
>>>>> under changing light conditions! Finally, some use for all those
>>>>> years in computer graphics...
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Re: Can I adapt these mics?
That's why it's called reverse engineering...
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Re: Can I adapt these mics?
The Zoom EXH-6 is the part I mentioned.
Thanks, but that actually does the opposite of what I want to do. That lets you plug XLR mics into the proprietary jack. I want to plug a mic module with the proprietary plug into XLR jacks.?
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Re: Can I adapt these mics?
The Zoom EXH-6 is the part I mentioned.
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Re: Can I adapt these mics?
Zoom makes an adapter that goes from their proprietary connector to two XLRs.
Thanks. Do you have a link to that? I've never heard of it. They make an extension cable that has the proprietary connector at both ends, but I'm not aware of an XLR one.?
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Re: Can I adapt these mics?
Hi Gavin - Lacking a schematic, I would open the device and see what sort of circuit is inside. That might put you on the right track. JHR
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Re: Can I adapt these mics?
Zoom makes an adapter that goes from their proprietary connector to two XLRs.? You could probably figure out the pins using one of those and a volt meter set for continuity...
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Re: Would you buy a capsule if it looked like this?
What HE said.?????? JR
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On 6/22/2022 11:26 AM, Phil Manning wrote: I love the soft grey rings - bright colours, to me, shout AlieXpress karaoke microphone
soft grey to? me suggests finely crafted boutique offering
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Hi all.
I have the Zoom F3 recorder, which unfortunately doesn't support Zoom's own mic modules. I have their X/Y module, and I'd like to adapt it with XLR connectors. It has a proprietary connector, with five contacts on each side.
I was going to build a little X/Y setup with JLI 2555 capsules and a dual-channel OPA Alice, but might I be able to adapt this Zoom module instead?
Thanks for any guesses.
Gavin
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Can't help to find the "blue" rings are way too tame and actually look
like grey...
Le 2022-06-22 06:16, Ari a ¨¦crit?:
> Finished...ish? I keep getting stuck adding more detail when I'm doing
> stuff for render. If you zoom in on the side profile, you can see the
> lines from the lathe.
>
> On 6/21/2022 11:44 PM, Ari via wrote:
>> You would not believe how slow this is. Rendering time with the gold
>> sim: 3m40s. Rendering time without the gold sim (everything else
>> identical except the gold is opaque): 12s. Same samples per pixel and
>> noise level.
>>
>> On 6/21/2022 11:34 PM, Ari via wrote:
>>> Thanks Jules! Here's another angle. I think it captures all of the
>>> color changes of gold pretty well...
>>>
>>> On 6/21/2022 11:33 PM, Jules Ryckebusch wrote:
>>>> Its beautiful!
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Jules
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 21, 2022, at 22:27, Ari <soliloqueenwastaken@...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?This isn't really on topic, but I wasn't satisfied with any of the
>>>>> existing solutions for rendering the gold trace on the diaphragm in
>>>>> my capsule visualization, so I rigged up my own model. Here it is
>>>>> under changing light conditions! Finally, some use for all those
>>>>> years in computer graphics...
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Yeah, I might move the ring screw holes out just to Make sure there's enough support for the diaphragm
Ari, Did you opt to use all M1.4 screws?
On 6/21/2022 11:26 PM, Ari wrote:
> ? Here it is under changing light conditions!
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I like Sim 3 ...?? JHR
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Ari, Did you opt to use all M1.4 screws?
On 6/21/2022 11:26 PM, Ari wrote:
> ? Here it is under changing light conditions!
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I like Sim 3 ...?? JHR
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Mateus Borges
