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I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here


M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309


 

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Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.
?
?



From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here


M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309


 

开云体育

i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:
Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.
?
?


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here


M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309


 

开云体育

The plugin is in the newest download of Mach4. But we can send you a copy so you can get just the plugin.


On Apr 4, 2021, at 7:52 PM, spencer@... wrote:

?

i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:
Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.
?
?


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here


M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309


 

开云体育

i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job. I guess mach3 trajectory planner was different? never had that particular issue then.

the xbox plugin is great once it is activated :)

i tried to figure out how to best use the various joysticks and buttons to get what i want and could not figure it out. maybe there are modifier keys that can be used along with joysticks but i couldn't figure it out.

ideally i want slow and fast x y and z jogging and some sort of crude a control just fixed increments would be good enough. i only use the A in setup so it is not a big deal but x y and z are

?so what is a reasonable way to configure the xbox to achieve that basic control?

On 4/4/2021 4:25 PM, spencer@... wrote:

i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:
Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.
?
?


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here


M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309


 

开云体育

If your Mach4 is combining moves on different lines, then it is not working correctly. There’s no way that a controller should ever combine 2 separate moves.

?

I haven’t had that problem, but lately I am having the problem that if I move my axes during a toolchange, mach4 doesn’t realize it, and all move from then on are relative to the place I moved the axes to.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 9:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

?

i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job. I guess mach3 trajectory planner was different? never had that particular issue then.

the xbox plugin is great once it is activated :)

i tried to figure out how to best use the various joysticks and buttons to get what i want and could not figure it out. maybe there are modifier keys that can be used along with joysticks but i couldn't figure it out.

ideally i want slow and fast x y and z jogging and some sort of crude a control just fixed increments would be good enough. i only use the A in setup so it is not a big deal but x y and z are

?so what is a reasonable way to configure the xbox to achieve that basic control?

On 4/4/2021 4:25 PM, spencer@... wrote:

i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:

Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.

?

?

?


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here

?

M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

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Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
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Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309


 

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i thought i had the latest mach4 installed but who knows i am real good at mixing up versions. there was no xbox plugin in the folder in my router installation. i can download it again to be sure i have the latest but if the only reason is for the plugin i could use just the plugin. there are probably reasons to update mach4 if i don't have the latest.

On 4/4/2021 4:55 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
The plugin is in the newest download of Mach4. But we can send you a copy so you can get just the plugin.


On Apr 4, 2021, at 7:52 PM, spencer@... wrote:

?

i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:
Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.
?
?


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here


M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309


 

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i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job? of course i meant used not sued. definitely was combining moves and Brian seems to agree that the trajectory planner will do that and that the absolute stop is the way to fix it and it did.

On 4/4/2021 6:14 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

If your Mach4 is combining moves on different lines, then it is not working correctly. There’s no way that a controller should ever combine 2 separate moves.

?

I haven’t had that problem, but lately I am having the problem that if I move my axes during a toolchange, mach4 doesn’t realize it, and all move from then on are relative to the place I moved the axes to.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 9:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

?

i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job. I guess mach3 trajectory planner was different? never had that particular issue then.

the xbox plugin is great once it is activated :)

i tried to figure out how to best use the various joysticks and buttons to get what i want and could not figure it out. maybe there are modifier keys that can be used along with joysticks but i couldn't figure it out.

ideally i want slow and fast x y and z jogging and some sort of crude a control just fixed increments would be good enough. i only use the A in setup so it is not a big deal but x y and z are

?so what is a reasonable way to configure the xbox to achieve that basic control?

On 4/4/2021 4:25 PM, spencer@... wrote:

i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:

Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.

?

?

?


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here

?

M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...

            

            
(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...

          

          
(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...

        

        
(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309


 

开云体育

If the trajectory planner is combining moves that are commanded on separate lines, that is, making both moves at the same time, then something is very wrong.

?

It sounds like Brian suspects that your acceleration is very low, and therefore the CV mode could cause this to appear to happen. While it is still on the way up in Z, it begins the next X or Y move.

?

A quick way to get rid of the problem would be to command Z to move to a higher position before you tell the machine to move in X or Y. That way the roundoff would be in the air rather than in the part.

?

The grinding noise you refer to may simply be the way your machine sounds in exact stop mode. It’s a pretty brutal way of doing things.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 9:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

?

i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job? of course i meant used not sued. definitely was combining moves and Brian seems to agree that the trajectory planner will do that and that the absolute stop is the way to fix it and it did.

On 4/4/2021 6:14 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

If your Mach4 is combining moves on different lines, then it is not working correctly. There’s no way that a controller should ever combine 2 separate moves.

?

I haven’t had that problem, but lately I am having the problem that if I move my axes during a toolchange, mach4 doesn’t realize it, and all move from then on are relative to the place I moved the axes to.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 9:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

?

i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job. I guess mach3 trajectory planner was different? never had that particular issue then.

the xbox plugin is great once it is activated :)

i tried to figure out how to best use the various joysticks and buttons to get what i want and could not figure it out. maybe there are modifier keys that can be used along with joysticks but i couldn't figure it out.

ideally i want slow and fast x y and z jogging and some sort of crude a control just fixed increments would be good enough. i only use the A in setup so it is not a big deal but x y and z are

?so what is a reasonable way to configure the xbox to achieve that basic control?

On 4/4/2021 4:25 PM, spencer@... wrote:

i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:

Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.

?

?

?


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here

?

M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309


 

开云体育

i do have very slow acceleration. i also found that i could just move higher than necessary and missed the edge of the hole. it is without absolute stop that it made the "grinding" noise. it was not extreme just noticeable and made me think something mechanical was wrong. i put the G61 and 64 just around the z moves and it works just fine now, no grinding and no clipped hole edges. i am not too concerned if this is a bad way of doing it as long as it works and it is of such limited scope (three little places in the code) that i doubt there will be complications.

On 4/4/2021 6:32 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

If the trajectory planner is combining moves that are commanded on separate lines, that is, making both moves at the same time, then something is very wrong.

?

It sounds like Brian suspects that your acceleration is very low, and therefore the CV mode could cause this to appear to happen. While it is still on the way up in Z, it begins the next X or Y move.

?

A quick way to get rid of the problem would be to command Z to move to a higher position before you tell the machine to move in X or Y. That way the roundoff would be in the air rather than in the part.

?

The grinding noise you refer to may simply be the way your machine sounds in exact stop mode. It’s a pretty brutal way of doing things.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 9:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

?

i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job? of course i meant used not sued. definitely was combining moves and Brian seems to agree that the trajectory planner will do that and that the absolute stop is the way to fix it and it did.

On 4/4/2021 6:14 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

If your Mach4 is combining moves on different lines, then it is not working correctly. There’s no way that a controller should ever combine 2 separate moves.

?

I haven’t had that problem, but lately I am having the problem that if I move my axes during a toolchange, mach4 doesn’t realize it, and all move from then on are relative to the place I moved the axes to.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 9:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

?

i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job. I guess mach3 trajectory planner was different? never had that particular issue then.

the xbox plugin is great once it is activated :)

i tried to figure out how to best use the various joysticks and buttons to get what i want and could not figure it out. maybe there are modifier keys that can be used along with joysticks but i couldn't figure it out.

ideally i want slow and fast x y and z jogging and some sort of crude a control just fixed increments would be good enough. i only use the A in setup so it is not a big deal but x y and z are

?so what is a reasonable way to configure the xbox to achieve that basic control?

On 4/4/2021 4:25 PM, spencer@... wrote:

i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:

Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.

?

?

?


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here

?

M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

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Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...

            

            
(425) 791-0309
-- 
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67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...

          

          
(425) 791-0309
-- 
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67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...

        

        
(425) 791-0309
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Hey, If it is working well for you, then that’s all that matters.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 9:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

?

i do have very slow acceleration. i also found that i could just move higher than necessary and missed the edge of the hole. it is without absolute stop that it made the "grinding" noise. it was not extreme just noticeable and made me think something mechanical was wrong. i put the G61 and 64 just around the z moves and it works just fine now, no grinding and no clipped hole edges. i am not too concerned if this is a bad way of doing it as long as it works and it is of such limited scope (three little places in the code) that i doubt there will be complications.

On 4/4/2021 6:32 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

If the trajectory planner is combining moves that are commanded on separate lines, that is, making both moves at the same time, then something is very wrong.

?

It sounds like Brian suspects that your acceleration is very low, and therefore the CV mode could cause this to appear to happen. While it is still on the way up in Z, it begins the next X or Y move.

?

A quick way to get rid of the problem would be to command Z to move to a higher position before you tell the machine to move in X or Y. That way the roundoff would be in the air rather than in the part.

?

The grinding noise you refer to may simply be the way your machine sounds in exact stop mode. It’s a pretty brutal way of doing things.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 9:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

?

i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job? of course i meant used not sued. definitely was combining moves and Brian seems to agree that the trajectory planner will do that and that the absolute stop is the way to fix it and it did.

On 4/4/2021 6:14 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

If your Mach4 is combining moves on different lines, then it is not working correctly. There’s no way that a controller should ever combine 2 separate moves.

?

I haven’t had that problem, but lately I am having the problem that if I move my axes during a toolchange, mach4 doesn’t realize it, and all move from then on are relative to the place I moved the axes to.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 9:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

?

i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job. I guess mach3 trajectory planner was different? never had that particular issue then.

the xbox plugin is great once it is activated :)

i tried to figure out how to best use the various joysticks and buttons to get what i want and could not figure it out. maybe there are modifier keys that can be used along with joysticks but i couldn't figure it out.

ideally i want slow and fast x y and z jogging and some sort of crude a control just fixed increments would be good enough. i only use the A in setup so it is not a big deal but x y and z are

?so what is a reasonable way to configure the xbox to achieve that basic control?

On 4/4/2021 4:25 PM, spencer@... wrote:

i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:

Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.

?

?

?


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here

?

M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309


 

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I don't like obscure risky code that others might get stuck figuring out. However the noise really bothered me? I hate hearing noise thst sounds like something is tearing itself apart. Ball screws sound like this before they seize


On April 4, 2021 6:44:56 PM PDT, Andy Wander <ohawiseguyeh@...> wrote:

Hey, If it is working well for you, then that’s all that matters.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 9:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

?

i do have very slow acceleration. i also found that i could just move higher than necessary and missed the edge of the hole. it is without absolute stop that it made the "grinding" noise. it was not extreme just noticeable and made me think something mechanical was wrong. i put the G61 and 64 just around the z moves and it works just fine now, no grinding and no clipped hole edges. i am not too concerned if this is a bad way of doing it as long as it works and it is of such limited scope (three little places in the code) that i doubt there will be complications.

On 4/4/2021 6:32 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

If the trajectory planner is combining moves that are commanded on separate lines, that is, making both moves at the same time, then something is very wrong.

?

It sounds like Brian suspects that your acceleration is very low, and therefore the CV mode could cause this to appear to happen. While it is still on the way up in Z, it begins the next X or Y move.

?

A quick way to get rid of the problem would be to command Z to move to a higher position before you tell the machine to move in X or Y. That way the roundoff would be in the air rather than in the part.

?

The grinding noise you refer to may simply be the way your machine sounds in exact stop mode. It’s a pretty brutal way of doing things.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 9:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

?

i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job? of course i meant used not sued. definitely was combining moves and Brian seems to agree that the trajectory planner will do that and that the absolute stop is the way to fix it and it did.

On 4/4/2021 6:14 PM, Andy Wander wrote:

If your Mach4 is combining moves on different lines, then it is not working correctly. There’s no way that a controller should ever combine 2 separate moves.

?

I haven’t had that problem, but lately I am having the problem that if I move my axes during a toolchange, mach4 doesn’t realize it, and all move from then on are relative to the place I moved the axes to.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 9:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

?

i sued the G61 and G64 and it does the job. I guess mach3 trajectory planner was different? never had that particular issue then.

the xbox plugin is great once it is activated :)

i tried to figure out how to best use the various joysticks and buttons to get what i want and could not figure it out. maybe there are modifier keys that can be used along with joysticks but i couldn't figure it out.

ideally i want slow and fast x y and z jogging and some sort of crude a control just fixed increments would be good enough. i only use the A in setup so it is not a big deal but x y and z are

?so what is a reasonable way to configure the xbox to achieve that basic control?

On 4/4/2021 4:25 PM, spencer@... wrote:

i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:

Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.

?

?

?


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here

?

M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
(425) 791-0309


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Note for you guys... if you simply have one move that you would like to be exact stop you can use a G9 on that line. It will stop the CV for that one move (Non Modal) . This is in the Gcode manual if you would like to see it on Page 18 if you need clarification.

______________________________

Brian Barker
Engineering / Devlopment
ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions
Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)
Phone: 207(618)1449
Webpage: 
On 4/4/2021 7:25 PM, spencer@... wrote:

i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:
Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.
?
?


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here


M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309


 

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i will try this but it works with the g64/61. is there any reason that G9 is better? i do have one line moves. what is the advantage of a non modal code if the same can be done with an on and off command. i doubt there is really much difference but ???

On 4/5/2021 5:02 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

Note for you guys... if you simply have one move that you would like to be exact stop you can use a G9 on that line. It will stop the CV for that one move (Non Modal) . This is in the Gcode manual if you would like to see it on Page 18 if you need clarification.

______________________________

Brian Barker
Engineering / Devlopment
ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions
Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)
Phone: 207(618)1449
Webpage: 
On 4/4/2021 7:25 PM, spencer@... wrote:

i'll try that. so there is a trajectory planner in mach4? i was going to look but forgot to see if there was an option to not combine separate moves. now that i know how to get around this i am fine but it was a surprise to see the cutter clip the corner of a pocket as it climbs out. i had a z move separate and an x and y i think this is only a problem with other axis following a z that was intended to clear obstacles.

how do i get the latest xbox plugin and what is it called and file dates?

On 4/4/2021 4:02 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:
Could you consider putting a G61 (exact stop) ahead of the G1 F83 Z .2 move and a G64 (exact stop cancel) after it? This prevents the trajectory planner from blending the next move with the critical retract move in Z.
?
?


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spencer@...
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] odd behavior ESS?

I have been learning a lot about mach4 and am getting quite comfortable with it. I do not need to add anything other than my little parts counter and an external switch.

I would like to get xbox controller working but i just can't seem to on the router computer, only the house computer.

here is the odd behavior. i think this is an ESS issue. in mach3 i has having strange behavior at exactly the same spot. with mach4 i didn't until suddenly it also did the same thing. if i don't have the line in bold shown below (using a short dwell) the z and followiong x and y moves get combined

G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649

and a larger part of the context here


M9 (mist off to release clamp)
G1 F10000 A 90
M7 (mist on to set clamp)
M3 S1000
(DO DSLOT FINISH)

G1 F65? Z 0 (might be able to move a little less to finish cut might help ejection)
G52 z - 1.67
G0 X 2.1541 Y 2.7725
G1 F93? X 2.1541 Y 2.7725 (was Y 2.71)
G1 F75? Z 0.0
G1 F83 Z -.35
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F31 Z -.7
G1 F32 X 2.1541 (this one needs to be slower)
G1 F51 Z -1.15
G1 F31 X 1.73
G1 F83 Z .2
G4? P100 (dwell to prevent combined move)
without this line the G1 F83 Z .2 and the next G1 get combined into one move clipping off
the corner of the part? with the 100 ms dwell it moves to the z location and then to the X and Y
i checked this over and over and am not imagining it? also previously this is the exact spot where phantom moves (and usually corrections that cancelled the phantom move) happened and have happened twice now with mach4 so it must be an ESS bug or maybe something odd about my gcode that i don't understand

G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)
(SECOND WARP HOLE)
G52 X-.555 Y .875 Z -1.67
(G1 F61? Z .3 just in case)
G1 F93? X2.1003 Y0.5649
G1 F51 Z -.14
G2 F93.0 X2.0828 Y0.5696 I0.0 J0.035
G2 Y0.6302 I0.0175 J0.0303
G2 X2.1353 Y0.5999 I0.0175 J-0.0303
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5649 I-0.035 J0.0
G1 F93.0 Y0.5149
G2 F93.0 X2.0578 Y0.5263 I0.0 J0.085
G2 Y0.6735 I0.0425 J0.0736
G2 X2.1853 Y0.5999 I0.0425 J-0.0736
G2 X2.1003 Y0.5149 I-0.085 J0.0
G1 F83 Z .1? (retract)
G52 X0 Y0 Z0 (cancel all offsets)

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Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309