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Can someone point me to a listing of current motion controllers that work with Mach 4, please.

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i don't know about a list but i can't think of anything better than ESS together with a parallel port breakout board like the PMDX

On 4/2/2021 7:11 PM, Joe Macmurchie wrote:

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Can someone point me to a listing of current motion controllers that work with Mach 4, please.

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Sent from my Atari 2600

Regards,

-Joemac

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-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


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Ditto!

I just spent the day downloading and reading all the Mach4 manual.
The first thoughts that come to mind is all through the late 80's and 90's, how many people use to update their computers every 6-9 months and the learning curves with new motherboard and CPU features and re-configuring the various new features of new versions of Windows. More people spent more time 'playing with the machine' vs actually using the machine to do stuff. Mach4 to me is this avenue.

I've been running Mach3 on my converted Smithy with my custom CNC conversion and home designed controller,
? and my (ridiculously over built) CNC router table, (excuse the stupid math/speeds....was 2 a.m. not thinking straight) both with PMX and ethernet. I've never had any issues that were not the fault of the idiot at the keyboard.

....planning to stay with 3!? I guess that's a sign I'm getting older (and lazy?)

ptegler

On 4/2/2021 11:05 PM, spencer@... wrote:

i don't know about a list but i can't think of anything better than ESS together with a parallel port breakout board like the PMDX

On 4/2/2021 7:11 PM, Joe Macmurchie wrote:

?

Can someone point me to a listing of current motion controllers that work with Mach 4, please.

?

Sent from my Atari 2600

Regards,

-Joemac

?

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309
-- 
Paul Tegler
ptegler@...  


 

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I am old too and do not like to learn new stuff unless there is likely to be a big payoff. my particulars might be different from most. i make about 150 small parts in a session. the program is starting and stopping as many times.

i think i have learned just about everything i could screw up but then i find another way. no more short cuts for me.

that said, i think i know the difference between my fucking up or the machine fucking up and the control program fucking up. i devised all sorts of means of correcting what i now believe were minor hiccups in mach3. i know that windows makes it very difficult to write this sort of program. mach3 was written for XP and although it still runs on win 10 i believe there may be some instances where mach3 is just not fast enough smart enough or whatever enough to work with all the crap win 10 is trying to do. i have my machine pared down to the almost minimum that will still allow windows to run. no internet no programs at all running in the background and all unnecessary services disabled.

i will know better when i have made 1000 parts but so far after 75 i have had absolutely no position drift or random moves that can break tools and damage the machine. running the same program on the same machine with mach3 i was constantly on the estop ready to catch some stray move or stall and had to constantly make minor corrections for lost steps. at this point my axis are very smooth and i use fairly slow acceleration and do not insist on trying to run as fast as possible. making the 75 parts i had absolutely no corrections to make no stray moves, never had to estop once except when i did something really stoopid. with mach3 i would have estopped and restarted mach3 several times in 75 parts and would have been constantly making corrections to the x axis. no idea the x axis, when this is the easiest on a three axis router. at this point i really don't care to figure out whey mach3 behaves so badly compared to mach4, just glad i switched, i have 3800 parts to make.

i almost have the confidence to leave the machine to do other things in the shop. i am going to wire my spindle controller to stop the gecko drives when it faults. that would have fixed the stupid thing i did yesterday. i live in fire country and had to evacuate twice last summer. it was a total bitch not being a young strong guy. so now everything of values is on wheeled carts. the router is mounted to a steel cart and i had not decided where to mount the spindle controller so it was just sitting there. then i realized that there was a place to improve the wiring to the controller and the improvement allowed the controller to be pulled by a wire and knocked off the stand. that killed the spindle but the axis were still moving and i was not fast enough with the estop. now the controller is solidly bolted down and tomorrow will be the fault estopping.

i also bought a single relay remote control that i can hang as a pendant around my neck for when i wander away from the running machine. i know exactly what the noise should be for a part that is being cut properly. hopefully i can act fast enough if i hear something wrong but my guess is that there will be very few times when this is necessary.

i have run repeated axis moves checking with the dial gauge and jogging or using MDI or running simple programs with repeated moves and return to home always end up in the same place. it is only when i am running a sub over and over and over that i get strange behavior from mach3. the random moves (which corrected themselves) are a total mystery but happened fairly regularly with mach3. my guess is a problem with the mach3 driver for ESS? did not experience this with mach4 yet. My guess is that the drift in mach3 is due to some rounding error or ??? when the sub repeats over and over. I am also using offsets and again a guess is that all this interaction together with some obscure bug in mach3 and probably some not great gcode programming results in unreliability. i have not had to make a single correction on the x axis running mach4.

if that were not enough there are so many improvements in mach4 that i am just starting to discover them. i can easily do things like MDI without screwing up as i repeatedly did with mach3. the program is just more friendly. i have lost patience with work arounds and faking things. i just want to get the work done.

On 4/2/2021 9:04 PM, Paul Tegler via groups.io wrote:

Ditto!

I just spent the day downloading and reading all the Mach4 manual.
The first thoughts that come to mind is all through the late 80's and 90's, how many people use to update their computers every 6-9 months and the learning curves with new motherboard and CPU features and re-configuring the various new features of new versions of Windows. More people spent more time 'playing with the machine' vs actually using the machine to do stuff. Mach4 to me is this avenue.

I've been running Mach3 on my converted Smithy with my custom CNC conversion and home designed controller,
? and my (ridiculously over built) CNC router table, (excuse the stupid math/speeds....was 2 a.m. not thinking straight) both with PMX and ethernet. I've never had any issues that were not the fault of the idiot at the keyboard.

....planning to stay with 3!? I guess that's a sign I'm getting older (and lazy?)

ptegler

On 4/2/2021 11:05 PM, spencer@... wrote:

i don't know about a list but i can't think of anything better than ESS together with a parallel port breakout board like the PMDX

On 4/2/2021 7:11 PM, Joe Macmurchie wrote:

?

Can someone point me to a listing of current motion controllers that work with Mach 4, please.

?

Sent from my Atari 2600

Regards,

-Joemac

?

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309
-- 
Paul Tegler
ptegler@...  
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309


 

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Well i'll agree on that... I'm still running Mach 3 on an XP machine for the very reasons you mention. Ops sys is stripped of everything save the bare essentials to get the environment up and running.? So I don't have any issues with the env adding/dropping random interrupts. Mach 3 gets full attention of the sys all the time. No other app grabbing background ops. I do though run Vectrics VCarve Pro at the same time. But both apps only interact if I try to edit the gcode while that same file is still loaded in Mach3

ptegler


On 4/3/2021 2:34 AM, spencer@... wrote:

I am old too and do not like to learn new stuff unless there is likely to be a big payoff. my particulars might be different from most. i make about 150 small parts in a session. the program is starting and stopping as many times.

i think i have learned just about everything i could screw up but then i find another way. no more short cuts for me.

that said, i think i know the difference between my fucking up or the machine fucking up and the control program fucking up. i devised all sorts of means of correcting what i now believe were minor hiccups in mach3. i know that windows makes it very difficult to write this sort of program. mach3 was written for XP and although it still runs on win 10 i believe there may be some instances where mach3 is just not fast enough smart enough or whatever enough to work with all the crap win 10 is trying to do. i have my machine pared down to the almost minimum that will still allow windows to run. no internet no programs at all running in the background and all unnecessary services disabled.

i will know better when i have made 1000 parts but so far after 75 i have had absolutely no position drift or random moves that can break tools and damage the machine. running the same program on the same machine with mach3 i was constantly on the estop ready to catch some stray move or stall and had to constantly make minor corrections for lost steps. at this point my axis are very smooth and i use fairly slow acceleration and do not insist on trying to run as fast as possible. making the 75 parts i had absolutely no corrections to make no stray moves, never had to estop once except when i did something really stoopid. with mach3 i would have estopped and restarted mach3 several times in 75 parts and would have been constantly making corrections to the x axis. no idea the x axis, when this is the easiest on a three axis router. at this point i really don't care to figure out whey mach3 behaves so badly compared to mach4, just glad i switched, i have 3800 parts to make.

i almost have the confidence to leave the machine to do other things in the shop. i am going to wire my spindle controller to stop the gecko drives when it faults. that would have fixed the stupid thing i did yesterday. i live in fire country and had to evacuate twice last summer. it was a total bitch not being a young strong guy. so now everything of values is on wheeled carts. the router is mounted to a steel cart and i had not decided where to mount the spindle controller so it was just sitting there. then i realized that there was a place to improve the wiring to the controller and the improvement allowed the controller to be pulled by a wire and knocked off the stand. that killed the spindle but the axis were still moving and i was not fast enough with the estop. now the controller is solidly bolted down and tomorrow will be the fault estopping.

i also bought a single relay remote control that i can hang as a pendant around my neck for when i wander away from the running machine. i know exactly what the noise should be for a part that is being cut properly. hopefully i can act fast enough if i hear something wrong but my guess is that there will be very few times when this is necessary.

i have run repeated axis moves checking with the dial gauge and jogging or using MDI or running simple programs with repeated moves and return to home always end up in the same place. it is only when i am running a sub over and over and over that i get strange behavior from mach3. the random moves (which corrected themselves) are a total mystery but happened fairly regularly with mach3. my guess is a problem with the mach3 driver for ESS? did not experience this with mach4 yet. My guess is that the drift in mach3 is due to some rounding error or ??? when the sub repeats over and over. I am also using offsets and again a guess is that all this interaction together with some obscure bug in mach3 and probably some not great gcode programming results in unreliability. i have not had to make a single correction on the x axis running mach4.

if that were not enough there are so many improvements in mach4 that i am just starting to discover them. i can easily do things like MDI without screwing up as i repeatedly did with mach3. the program is just more friendly. i have lost patience with work arounds and faking things. i just want to get the work done.

On 4/2/2021 9:04 PM, Paul Tegler via groups.io wrote:

Ditto!

I just spent the day downloading and reading all the Mach4 manual.
The first thoughts that come to mind is all through the late 80's and 90's, how many people use to update their computers every 6-9 months and the learning curves with new motherboard and CPU features and re-configuring the various new features of new versions of Windows. More people spent more time 'playing with the machine' vs actually using the machine to do stuff. Mach4 to me is this avenue.

I've been running Mach3 on my converted Smithy with my custom CNC conversion and home designed controller,
? and my (ridiculously over built) CNC router table, (excuse the stupid math/speeds....was 2 a.m. not thinking straight) both with PMX and ethernet. I've never had any issues that were not the fault of the idiot at the keyboard.

....planning to stay with 3!? I guess that's a sign I'm getting older (and lazy?)

ptegler

On 4/2/2021 11:05 PM, spencer@... wrote:

i don't know about a list but i can't think of anything better than ESS together with a parallel port breakout board like the PMDX

On 4/2/2021 7:11 PM, Joe Macmurchie wrote:

?

Can someone point me to a listing of current motion controllers that work with Mach 4, please.

?

Sent from my Atari 2600

Regards,

-Joemac

?

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309
-- 
Paul Tegler
ptegler@...  
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...


(425) 791-0309
-- 
Paul Tegler
ptegler@...