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Re: stepper stall (to Art)

Art
 

Isak:

Is this with CV disabled? It still halts hard, then corrects???
Thanks,
Art
www.artofcnc.ca


Re: stepper stall (to Art)

Isak Levinson
 

I tried r1.0 and I'm sorry to say that it has the same problem.
Thanks, Isak.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Isak Levinson" <isakl@...>
To: <mach1mach2cnc@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: [mach1mach2cnc] stepper stall (to Art)


Ok, I tried with acceleration of 1. I'm working with mm so it is 1sec for
1mm/sec. It is VERY slow.
The problem persists.
This is what happens:
The 1st axis accelerates as it should.
When the 2nd axis changes direction, the firts axis stops emidiatly.
The backlash compensates for the 2nd axis (I guess that the compensation
process dose not accelerates and decelerates but startst and stops
emidiatly
with the correction velocity).
When the backlash is done the 1st axis imidiatly returns to its previous
velocity.

I think that you may have a problem with the algorithm. Maybe you should
break some moves (which have a direction change) into several seperate
moves.
As I anderstand the CV algorithm defines the way in which the path is
generated at the end of each command.

Thanks, Isak.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Art" <fenerty@...>
To: <mach1mach2cnc@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: [mach1mach2cnc] stepper stall (to Art)


Isak:

. You need to decrease your acceleration to about 1 or less to do
this
test. Does the axis slow down to stop, then backlash correct, then
accelerate again? I'm just trying to figure out if the algorithms are
working correctly... An acceleration of 10 is NOT small, it means 1 sec
to
get to 10 inches per second. While this is not overly fast, it may be
too
fast to tell me what I need to know.

Thanks,
Art
www.artofcnc.ca




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Re: feedrate overide for plasma

Scot Cameron
 

Art: my codes are written with G1,I have noticed that
if i use a smoother raster to vector conversion the
speeds will increase with no problem,it seems to me
that there are to many codes for so little axis
movement,it is as like consatnt velocity is off,if i
draw a simple square in cad,i can execute it as fast
as i like,must be the g code conversion.I will run
mach 1 tommorow and try the same codes on there.
Scot
--- Art <fenerty@...> wrote:
Scott:

Is your program written with G1 moves? OverRide
will not override a G0
move.

Thanks,
Art
www.artofcnc.ca




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Re: Constant velocity/Exact stop

cnc_user
 

Hi Art;

I have been using Programmers File Editor on Mach2 all along.
Great editor for loading large files > 10meg.

I checked logic page and path to editor was right.
I clicked on browse and reselected editor.
Editor now works again--- mysteries of windows again.

Thanks for all your help.

Bob Harvey


Re: RC12 Lathe threading test

Art
 

Steve:

Yes, new driver is included in the release. Good luck with the tests...
It does sound like maybe a stall, no fucusing needed with those type of
sensors.

Thanks,
Art
www.artofcnc.ca


Re: RC12 Lathe threading test

Steve Blackmore
 

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:38:59 -0300, you wrote:

Current R1.0 just uploaded has the toolchange bug repaired. Only one press
is necessary after the toolchange.
Cheers Art - I'll give that a try in the morning.

Has it got the fixed Mach2.sys file as well?

I don't think there was a missing pulse - scopes still on it. I think
what happened was initially spindle was turning so slow it stalled,
maybe with the sensor uncovered.

Sensor is a gap type, focussed by design. There's a disk on the
spindle which runs in the gap, it has a narrow radial slot that opens
the beam - it's not adjustable and is the same one that worked with
the old controller for years. I have another identical brand new one
and have replaced it with no improvement.

Something was happening with the double clicks, maybe the speed was
misinterpreted - I noticed a couple of weird things with other files
too. Tomorrow will tell.

--
Steve Blackmore


Re: Constant velocity/Exact stop

Art
 

Bob:

Now having some trouble with having my editor come up when in Mach2.

Make sure that the editor is pointing to the right program location in the
logic settings. I usually use notepad, some other programs have trouble with
command line tranfering of the file name. Its something I meant to fix so
that wordpad could be used.

Thanks,
Art
www.artofcnc.ca


Re: Constant velocity/Exact stop

cnc_user
 

Hi Art;

G61 & G64 now work as expected on my machine. CV can be toggled on and
off in the same program.

Also when G61 or G64 is entered on MDI screen it now toggles the state
screen settings.

Now having some trouble with having my editor come up when in Mach2.
Will check out some more and let you know if it's a problem.

I have been lirking lately as you've been so busy and I didn't want to
bother you.

Thanks for the quick respounce.

Back to lurking
Bob Harvey


Re: RC12 Lathe threading test

Art
 

Steve:

Current R1.0 just uploaded has the toolchange bug repaired. Only one press
is necessary after the toolchange.

Thanks,
Art
www.artofcnc.ca


Re: RC12 Lathe threading test

Art
 

Steve:

Normal Spin Count 2965 3007 2864 2884
Current Spin Count 4763 5440 ->11128<- 5305
Spin adder 2521 1828 701 2542


Thanks , looking into it. That third reading indicates a missing pulse. I
had the same thing for awhile, it was my sensor being not sensitive enough
where it was pointed. You can see its double the time for that rotation.
This cannot be fluke. A pulse went missing and doubled the rotration time
making the program think the spindle had slowed to half velocity...

Looking into the rest.
Thanks,
Art
www.artofcnc.ca


Re: Constant velocity/Exact stop

Art
 

Bob:

( And Izak). CV had a major problem. It is fixed and can be downloaded now
in r1.0. Changing between G8 and G9 ( or G61 and G64) could be ignored under
certain circumstances. (This included backlash) .
It has been repaired and uploaded. This one was nasty, stareing at me,
yet I kept missing it.,,

You can now mix G61 and G64's to obtain selective CV mode if you wish.
Thanks,
Art
www.artofcnc.ca


Re: RC12 Lathe threading test

Steve Blackmore
 

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:36:11 -0300, you wrote:

To be more precise, I hadn't figured for Step/Dir Spindle while
threading....Completely a mistake on my part.
I will send you a driver right away that should work...
Thanks for the driver, still some problems

You forgot to fix 2 start/run presses after toolchange and lathe
macro.

The two key presses is causing a problem, sometimes lines only partly
execute and this may be affercting threading - still occasionally
getting the stop, but what I am now getting is a stall on Z axis and
feedrate is going mad occasionally.

Here are results

Normal Spin Count 2965 3007 2864 2884
Current Spin Count 4763 5440 11128 5305
Spin adder 2521 1828 701 2542

As you can see on third run it went berserk, said feed was .01 then
10, then 100!!

I think until toolchange bug is fixed we may be wasting our time
chasing bugs that may not exist.

BTW - Setting a motor dwell also screws up threading.

--
Steve Blackmore


Re: Constant velocity/Exact stop

Art
 

Bob:

Sounds like a bug to me. When you change the CV mode on the state tab, it
changes a single varibale in the program. That varibale also controls the
LED now on the main page. If the LED lights, then you should be in CV mode
and further lines queued from that point should follow the setting.

I will check to see whats wrong...( I think I already know...)...

Thanks,
Art
www.artofcnc.ca


Re: Mach2 ----------------------Release 1.0 -------------------------------Mach2

 

<SNIP>. I am a victim of unexpected success on this project
with OEM requests coming in weekly from around the world. I am very
sorry
for the brevity of my responces lately, I am juggling heavily on
many fronts
and its making me appear a bit schitzoid in some of my answers.
</SNIP>

That will teach you to go and write a program that works! Schitzoid
and Programmer fit well in the same sentence structure ;-)

Tom C


Constant velocity/Exact stop

cnc_user
 

Hi Art;

When I set Exact stop on state tab and put a G64 in the program
my machine still runs in Exact stop mode. Led lights to indicate
CV mode but machine is still running in Exact stop mode.

If I change it on the state tab it then works in CV mode.

What I was looking to do was change back and forth between
modes while program is running. Is this possible?

Thank you
Bob Harvey


Re: RC12 Lathe threading test

Steve Blackmore
 

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:37:12 -0000, you wrote:

Hi Steve;
Why all the G0 moves? Shouldn't these be G01 moves?
No, they are rapids? Unless you set new feeds approach and withdraw
will be at threading feed speed - Bloody slow ;) Explanation of each
move after each line

N130 M6 T2
N140 G43 H2
N150 G0 X9.73 Z36.386 S500 M4 M8
Move to approach position
N160 G0 X7.191 Z34.978
Move to thread start position (includes lead in)
N170 G32 X7.191 Z19.698 F1.0
Cut thread
N180 G0 X9.73 Z19.698
Clear tool in X
N190 G0 X9.73 Z36.386
Clear tool in Z
N200 G0 X7.151 Z34.956
Back to next start position with correction for next cut and 29deg
infeed angle.

etc, etc

--
Steve Blackmore


Re: RC12 Lathe threading test

cnc_user
 

Hi Steve;
Why all the G0 moves? Shouldn't these be G01 moves?

Bob Harvey

N130 M6 T2
N140 G43 H2
N150 G0 X9.73 Z36.386 S500 M4 M8
N160 G0 X7.191 Z34.978
N170 G32 X7.191 Z19.698 F1.0
N180 G0 X9.73 Z19.698
N190 G0 X9.73 Z36.386
N200 G0 X7.151 Z34.956


--
Steve Blackmore


Re: RC12 Lathe threading test

Art
 

To be more precise, I hadn't figured for Step/Dir Spindle while
threading....Completely a mistake on my part.
I will send you a driver right away that should work...

Art
www.artofcnc.ca


Re: RC12 Lathe threading test

Art
 

Steve:

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, now I understand. I really screwed up, I didn't allow
for a Mach2 controlled spindle speed....(I was using a manual spinlde
control....)

I will fix right away....

thanks,
Art
www.artofcnc.ca


Re: RC12 Lathe threading test

Steve Blackmore
 

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:35:31 -0300, you wrote:


What seems to happen is on hitting the first g32 line, the motor is
switched on momentarily and then off

Which motor, you mean the spindle motor???? The motor should be running
and up to speed when the G32 is called. Or do you mean the Z motor starts
and then stops?
Yes - spindle motor is stopping!

Here's the relevant lines, the next lot just increment X

N130 M6 T2
N140 G43 H2
N150 G0 X9.73 Z36.386 S500 M4 M8
N160 G0 X7.191 Z34.978
N170 G32 X7.191 Z19.698 F1.0
N180 G0 X9.73 Z19.698
N190 G0 X9.73 Z36.386
N200 G0 X7.151 Z34.956


--
Steve Blackmore