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Friday Five August 10


 

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1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?

4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?


 

1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?

ethical
adjective
eth¡¤i¡¤cal ?e-thi-k?l
variants or less commonly ethic
?e-thik
Synonyms of ethical
1
: of or relating to ethics
ethical theories
2
: involving or expressing moral approval or disapproval
ethical judgments
3
: conforming to accepted standards of conduct
ethical behavior
4
of a drug : restricted to sale only on a doctor's prescription


I believe morals to be subjective to the culture they apply to or arise from. What is right for me is wrong for others. It would be against?my morals to publicly?rejoice (A very strong word suggesting celebration) at such a situation, although I would consider it a normal and healthy behavior to feel private relief if the individual?had been a threat in some way.? My more public expression might be to acknowledge sadness that the death had occurred?and to work healthy problem solving directed?at the changed situation. I believe this would meet acceptable standards?in my culture.

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?

I feel it will, although the various more powerful players may continue proxy games for a while longer. The U.S. has already adopted military?stances in that theater, as well as in others. Basically, Russia wants Ukraine (and maybe Europe), the Palestinian coalition wants Israel, China wants the South Seas, and the U.S. (and allies) want to stop all those desires from realizing. By independant?move?or hidden Axis agenda, Russia first stepped it up with a direct and invasive use of force on a historically significant level. Hamas followed suit. China is cagier. The Philippines, Israel and Ukraine have dug in?and so now we have broken the ice: war is a current and real tool for political?goals in many areas. Not just limited?third?world power plays, but on a scale already involving global arms and strategic resources. I would say we are only a bomb away from sending in the boots.

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?

Duh.

4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

Insight, critical thinking, and perhaps intelligence. If I state something knowing that I do not know, I am lying even if I score a factual hit. If I do not?know that I do not know, then it is an unintentional misrepresentation?and maybe a stretch of the definition of the word lie?

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?

That questions feels like the answer may be cultural and so my answer would be that it probably does to some people, depending upon personal and cultural perceptions.


 


1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?

That all depends on what you mean by "ethical," "rejoice," and "bad." ??

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?

It certainly has that possibility, though it's also preventable if the USA and Russia would just stay out of it.? Neither country really has the heart to go to war over the?Middle East, but the USA is so pro-Isreali and anti-Iranian that we could get involved, especially if Iran uses nuclear weapons on Israel.

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?

Russia, China, and North Korea, are all possibilities, depending on how desperate they get or what opportunities they see with a weakened USA making mistakes or getting overextended somewhere.



4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

One is accidental, the other is deliberate.? Being wrong on something is no sin, but spreading something that is known to be untrue is.

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?

Voters have shown a historical preference for taller candidates, just as they often prefer men and more handsome and younger candidates.? Some short politicians have been very successful, though, so it depends on who they are running against.

Ed



On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 6:21?PM mrvnchpmn via <chapman=[email protected]> wrote:
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1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?

4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?


 

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If Iran uses nuclear weapons including just radioactive additions to conventional explosives I think Israel would make sure Tehran is not inhabitablle for a few decades.

1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?
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That all depends on what you mean by "ethical," "rejoice," and "bad." ??

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
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It certainly has that possibility, though it's also preventable if the USA and Russia would just stay out of it.? Neither country really has the heart to go to war over the?Middle East, but the USA is so pro-Isreali and anti-Iranian that we could get involved, especially if Iran uses nuclear weapons on Israel.

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?
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Russia, China, and North Korea, are all possibilities, depending on how desperate they get or what opportunities they see with a weakened USA making mistakes or getting overextended somewhere.
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4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?
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One is accidental, the other is deliberate.? Being wrong on something is no sin, but spreading something that is known to be untrue is.

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?
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Voters have shown a historical preference for taller candidates, just as they often prefer men and more handsome and younger candidates.? Some short politicians have been very successful, though, so it depends on who they are running against.
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Ed
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On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 6:21?PM mrvnchpmn via <chapman=[email protected]> wrote:

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1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?

4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?

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1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?

The bigger question is who determines the badness of an individual

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?

I think it already has.

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?

Very likely - as one poster put it - it has already started

4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

To tell a liie one has to know the truth - otherwise a person is merely ignorant - which happens to all of us.

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?

It sees to - the one recent exception was Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.


 

Marvin wrote: "If Iran uses nuclear weapons including just radioactive additions to conventional explosives I think Israel would make sure Tehran is not habitable for a few decades."

That's a big concern, since a conventional bomb with some radioactive elements attached could contaminate a large part of a city and render it inhabitable.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 8:18?AM mrvnchpmn via <chapman=[email protected]> wrote:
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If Iran uses nuclear weapons including just radioactive additions to conventional explosives I think Israel would make sure Tehran is not inhabitablle for a few decades.

1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?
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That all depends on what you mean by "ethical," "rejoice," and "bad." ??

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
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It certainly has that possibility, though it's also preventable if the USA and Russia would just stay out of it.? Neither country really has the heart to go to war over the?Middle East, but the USA is so pro-Isreali and anti-Iranian that we could get involved, especially if Iran uses nuclear weapons on Israel.

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?
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Russia, China, and North Korea, are all possibilities, depending on how desperate they get or what opportunities they see with a weakened USA making mistakes or getting overextended somewhere.
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4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?
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One is accidental, the other is deliberate.? Being wrong on something is no sin, but spreading something that is known to be untrue is.

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?
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Voters have shown a historical preference for taller candidates, just as they often prefer men and more handsome and younger candidates.? Some short politicians have been very successful, though, so it depends on who they are running against.
?
Ed
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On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 6:21?PM mrvnchpmn via <chapman=[email protected]> wrote:
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1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?

4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?

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unfortunately true - and Iran certainly has a bunch of radioactive material
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That's a big concern, since a conventional bomb with some radioactive elements attached could contaminate a large part of a city and render it inhabitable.
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On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 8:18?AM mrvnchpmn via <chapman=[email protected]> wrote:

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If Iran uses nuclear weapons including just radioactive additions to conventional explosives I think Israel would make sure Tehran is not inhabitablle for a few decades.

1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?
?
That all depends on what you mean by "ethical," "rejoice," and "bad." ??

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
?
It certainly has that possibility, though it's also preventable if the USA and Russia would just stay out of it.? Neither country really has the heart to go to war over the?Middle East, but the USA is so pro-Isreali and anti-Iranian that we could get involved, especially if Iran uses nuclear weapons on Israel.

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?
?
Russia, China, and North Korea, are all possibilities, depending on how desperate they get or what opportunities they see with a weakened USA making mistakes or getting overextended somewhere.
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4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?
?
One is accidental, the other is deliberate.? Being wrong on something is no sin, but spreading something that is known to be untrue is.

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?
?
Voters have shown a historical preference for taller candidates, just as they often prefer men and more handsome and younger candidates.? Some short politicians have been very successful, though, so it depends on who they are running against.
?
Ed
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On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 6:21?PM mrvnchpmn via <chapman=[email protected]> wrote:
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1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?

4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?

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// ? ??I believe this would meet acceptable standards?in my culture.? ? ?//

Gives a problem when one lives in a "multicultural" society. ?Nobody any longer can agree what's good and what's bad. ?The default position in the western world for maybe longer than a half century has been that "everything is relative". ?Crazy. ?Inhuman.

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Not love, not hate, but the passion for ignorance is the most fundamental passion of man.

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On Aug 9, 2024, at 08:58, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:

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1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?

ethical
adjective
eth¡¤i¡¤cal ?e-thi-k?l
variants or less commonly ethic
?e-thik
Synonyms of ethical
1
: of or relating to ethics
ethical theories
2
: involving or expressing moral approval or disapproval
ethical judgments
3
: conforming to accepted standards of conduct
ethical behavior
4
of a drug : restricted to sale only on a doctor's prescription


I believe morals to be subjective to the culture they apply to or arise from. What is right for me is wrong for others. It would be against?my morals to publicly?rejoice (A very strong word suggesting celebration) at such a situation, although I would consider it a normal and healthy behavior to feel private relief if the individual?had been a threat in some way.? My more public expression might be to acknowledge sadness that the death had occurred?and to work healthy problem solving directed?at the changed situation. I believe this would meet acceptable standards?in my culture.

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?

I feel it will, although the various more powerful players may continue proxy games for a while longer. The U.S. has already adopted military?stances in that theater, as well as in others. Basically, Russia wants Ukraine (and maybe Europe), the Palestinian coalition wants Israel, China wants the South Seas, and the U.S. (and allies) want to stop all those desires from realizing. By independant?move?or hidden Axis agenda, Russia first stepped it up with a direct and invasive use of force on a historically significant level. Hamas followed suit. China is cagier. The Philippines, Israel and Ukraine have dug in?and so now we have broken the ice: war is a current and real tool for political?goals in many areas. Not just limited?third?world power plays, but on a scale already involving global arms and strategic resources. I would say we are only a bomb away from sending in the boots.

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?

Duh.

4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

Insight, critical thinking, and perhaps intelligence. If I state something knowing that I do not know, I am lying even if I score a factual hit. If I do not?know that I do not know, then it is an unintentional misrepresentation?and maybe a stretch of the definition of the word lie?

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?

That questions feels like the answer may be cultural and so my answer would be that it probably does to some people, depending upon personal and cultural perceptions.


 

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// ? ? ?4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

Insight, critical thinking, and perhaps intelligence. If I state something knowing that I do not know, I am lying even if I score a factual hit. If I do?not?know that I do not know, then it is an unintentional misrepresentation?and maybe a stretch of the definition of the word lie??? ? ?//

Solo s¨¦ que no s¨¦ nada. ?We very seldom know anything. ?We lie a *lot*. ?Bad.

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Not love, not hate, but the passion for ignorance is the most fundamental passion of man.

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On Aug 9, 2024, at 08:58, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:

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1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?

ethical
adjective
eth¡¤i¡¤cal ?e-thi-k?l
variants or less commonly ethic
?e-thik
Synonyms of ethical
1
: of or relating to ethics
ethical theories
2
: involving or expressing moral approval or disapproval
ethical judgments
3
: conforming to accepted standards of conduct
ethical behavior
4
of a drug : restricted to sale only on a doctor's prescription


I believe morals to be subjective to the culture they apply to or arise from. What is right for me is wrong for others. It would be against?my morals to publicly?rejoice (A very strong word suggesting celebration) at such a situation, although I would consider it a normal and healthy behavior to feel private relief if the individual?had been a threat in some way.? My more public expression might be to acknowledge sadness that the death had occurred?and to work healthy problem solving directed?at the changed situation. I believe this would meet acceptable standards?in my culture.

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?

I feel it will, although the various more powerful players may continue proxy games for a while longer. The U.S. has already adopted military?stances in that theater, as well as in others. Basically, Russia wants Ukraine (and maybe Europe), the Palestinian coalition wants Israel, China wants the South Seas, and the U.S. (and allies) want to stop all those desires from realizing. By independant?move?or hidden Axis agenda, Russia first stepped it up with a direct and invasive use of force on a historically significant level. Hamas followed suit. China is cagier. The Philippines, Israel and Ukraine have dug in?and so now we have broken the ice: war is a current and real tool for political?goals in many areas. Not just limited?third?world power plays, but on a scale already involving global arms and strategic resources. I would say we are only a bomb away from sending in the boots.

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?

Duh.

4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

Insight, critical thinking, and perhaps intelligence. If I state something knowing that I do not know, I am lying even if I score a factual hit. If I do not?know that I do not know, then it is an unintentional misrepresentation?and maybe a stretch of the definition of the word lie?

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?

That questions feels like the answer may be cultural and so my answer would be that it probably does to some people, depending upon personal and cultural perceptions.


 

David said:? Gives a problem when one lives in a "multicultural" society.? Nobody any longer can agree what's good and what's bad.? The default position in the western world for maybe longer than a half century has been that "everything is relative".? Crazy.? Inhuman.

And Darrell opined: I think it may be sane. A society is always a collection of cultures even if it also shares a culture. Size is a factor as increasing population?quantity increases the likelihood of significant subgroups. Those need to cooperatively agree on the overarching?culture unless they are subjugated?by it and that might be a weak point! Maybe we have just wandered too far from the tribal model?

We have a neatly divided sociopolitical structure, but we have crammed many ethnic, religious, economic and various?other cultures into it, and now they are all butting heads the way so?many have in U.S.?history. I am unsurprised, but I expect that in a century they will have settled into a new balance and be jointly irritated by some new group. If humanity?survives another? five centuries, perhaps?we will have mastered megatribing to the point where the entire species shares one government. Then we can finally build the Enterprise and go exploring!



On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 3:51?AM David Smith via <dvdcsmth=[email protected]> wrote:

// ? ??I believe this would meet acceptable standards?in my culture.? ? ?//

Gives a problem when one lives in a "multicultural" society.? Nobody any longer can agree what's good and what's bad.? The default position in the western world for maybe longer than a half century has been that "everything is relative".? Crazy.? Inhuman.

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Not love, not hate, but the passion for ignorance is the most fundamental passion of man.

¡ª¡ª

On Aug 9, 2024, at 08:58, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:

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1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?

ethical
adjective
eth¡¤i¡¤cal ?e-thi-k?l
variants or less commonly ethic
?e-thik
Synonyms of ethical
1
: of or relating to ethics
ethical theories
2
: involving or expressing moral approval or disapproval
ethical judgments
3
: conforming to accepted standards of conduct
ethical behavior
4
of a drug : restricted to sale only on a doctor's prescription


I believe morals to be subjective to the culture they apply to or arise from. What is right for me is wrong for others. It would be against?my morals to publicly?rejoice (A very strong word suggesting celebration) at such a situation, although I would consider it a normal and healthy behavior to feel private relief if the individual?had been a threat in some way.? My more public expression might be to acknowledge sadness that the death had occurred?and to work healthy problem solving directed?at the changed situation. I believe this would meet acceptable standards?in my culture.

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?

I feel it will, although the various more powerful players may continue proxy games for a while longer. The U.S. has already adopted military?stances in that theater, as well as in others. Basically, Russia wants Ukraine (and maybe Europe), the Palestinian coalition wants Israel, China wants the South Seas, and the U.S. (and allies) want to stop all those desires from realizing. By independant?move?or hidden Axis agenda, Russia first stepped it up with a direct and invasive use of force on a historically significant level. Hamas followed suit. China is cagier. The Philippines, Israel and Ukraine have dug in?and so now we have broken the ice: war is a current and real tool for political?goals in many areas. Not just limited?third?world power plays, but on a scale already involving global arms and strategic resources. I would say we are only a bomb away from sending in the boots.

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?

Duh.

4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

Insight, critical thinking, and perhaps intelligence. If I state something knowing that I do not know, I am lying even if I score a factual hit. If I do not?know that I do not know, then it is an unintentional misrepresentation?and maybe a stretch of the definition of the word lie?

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?

That questions feels like the answer may be cultural and so my answer would be that it probably does to some people, depending upon personal and cultural perceptions.


 

David said:? Solo s¨¦ que no s¨¦ nada.? We very seldom know anything.? We lie a *lot*.? Bad.

Darrell agreed: Yes, imagine us actually knowing how little we know? Mu should be part of the public school curriculum.


Darrell G King, MA, RN
Rochester, NY, US
DarrellGKing@...




On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 3:53?AM David Smith via <dvdcsmth=[email protected]> wrote:

// ? ? ?4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

Insight, critical thinking, and perhaps intelligence. If I state something knowing that I do not know, I am lying even if I score a factual hit. If I do?not?know that I do not know, then it is an unintentional misrepresentation?and maybe a stretch of the definition of the word lie??? ? ?//

Solo s¨¦ que no s¨¦ nada.? We very seldom know anything.? We lie a *lot*.? Bad.

?

Not love, not hate, but the passion for ignorance is the most fundamental passion of man.

¡ª¡ª

On Aug 9, 2024, at 08:58, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:

?
1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?

ethical
adjective
eth¡¤i¡¤cal ?e-thi-k?l
variants or less commonly ethic
?e-thik
Synonyms of ethical
1
: of or relating to ethics
ethical theories
2
: involving or expressing moral approval or disapproval
ethical judgments
3
: conforming to accepted standards of conduct
ethical behavior
4
of a drug : restricted to sale only on a doctor's prescription


I believe morals to be subjective to the culture they apply to or arise from. What is right for me is wrong for others. It would be against?my morals to publicly?rejoice (A very strong word suggesting celebration) at such a situation, although I would consider it a normal and healthy behavior to feel private relief if the individual?had been a threat in some way.? My more public expression might be to acknowledge sadness that the death had occurred?and to work healthy problem solving directed?at the changed situation. I believe this would meet acceptable standards?in my culture.

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?

I feel it will, although the various more powerful players may continue proxy games for a while longer. The U.S. has already adopted military?stances in that theater, as well as in others. Basically, Russia wants Ukraine (and maybe Europe), the Palestinian coalition wants Israel, China wants the South Seas, and the U.S. (and allies) want to stop all those desires from realizing. By independant?move?or hidden Axis agenda, Russia first stepped it up with a direct and invasive use of force on a historically significant level. Hamas followed suit. China is cagier. The Philippines, Israel and Ukraine have dug in?and so now we have broken the ice: war is a current and real tool for political?goals in many areas. Not just limited?third?world power plays, but on a scale already involving global arms and strategic resources. I would say we are only a bomb away from sending in the boots.

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?

Duh.

4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

Insight, critical thinking, and perhaps intelligence. If I state something knowing that I do not know, I am lying even if I score a factual hit. If I do not?know that I do not know, then it is an unintentional misrepresentation?and maybe a stretch of the definition of the word lie?

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?

That questions feels like the answer may be cultural and so my answer would be that it probably does to some people, depending upon personal and cultural perceptions.


 

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1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?
To answer that one would need to know what the context is. Who has determined whether someone is a bad individual?

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?
Exactly which current situation is this question about?

4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?
Lying is deliberate and self-serving. Not knowing the truth is just an indicator of ignorance.

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?
Not much. I've seen a number of short people win contests over taller people.

Aloha,
Celeste Rogers


 

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Much more likely we'll all have been chemically, psychologically, mechanically, and electronically conditioned to be well behaved automatons. ?What is the ultimate good for managers of billions of people? ?How many workers are needed to do what? ?How many are too many? ?Perhaps in another thousand years the only humans left on earth will be a large group of managers tending a large spherical garden and just enough humanoids to do what little weeding and pruning the machines can't do alone. ?A logical development of the simple idea of rulers and ruled.

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Not love, not hate, but the passion for ignorance is the most fundamental passion of man.

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On Aug 10, 2024, at 09:01, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:

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David said:? Gives a problem when one lives in a "multicultural" society.? Nobody any longer can agree what's good and what's bad.? The default position in the western world for maybe longer than a half century has been that "everything is relative".? Crazy.? Inhuman.

And Darrell opined: I think it may be sane. A society is always a collection of cultures even if it also shares a culture. Size is a factor as increasing population?quantity increases the likelihood of significant subgroups. Those need to cooperatively agree on the overarching?culture unless they are subjugated?by it and that might be a weak point! Maybe we have just wandered too far from the tribal model?

We have a neatly divided sociopolitical structure, but we have crammed many ethnic, religious, economic and various?other cultures into it, and now they are all butting heads the way so?many have in U.S.?history. I am unsurprised, but I expect that in a century they will have settled into a new balance and be jointly irritated by some new group. If humanity?survives another? five centuries, perhaps?we will have mastered megatribing to the point where the entire species shares one government. Then we can finally build the Enterprise and go exploring!



On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 3:51?AM David Smith via <dvdcsmth=[email protected]> wrote:

// ? ??I believe this would meet acceptable standards?in my culture.? ? ?//

Gives a problem when one lives in a "multicultural" society.? Nobody any longer can agree what's good and what's bad.? The default position in the western world for maybe longer than a half century has been that "everything is relative".? Crazy.? Inhuman.

?

Not love, not hate, but the passion for ignorance is the most fundamental passion of man.

¡ª¡ª

On Aug 9, 2024, at 08:58, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:

?
1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?

ethical
adjective
eth¡¤i¡¤cal ?e-thi-k?l
variants or less commonly ethic
?e-thik
Synonyms of ethical
1
: of or relating to ethics
ethical theories
2
: involving or expressing moral approval or disapproval
ethical judgments
3
: conforming to accepted standards of conduct
ethical behavior
4
of a drug : restricted to sale only on a doctor's prescription


I believe morals to be subjective to the culture they apply to or arise from. What is right for me is wrong for others. It would be against?my morals to publicly?rejoice (A very strong word suggesting celebration) at such a situation, although I would consider it a normal and healthy behavior to feel private relief if the individual?had been a threat in some way.? My more public expression might be to acknowledge sadness that the death had occurred?and to work healthy problem solving directed?at the changed situation. I believe this would meet acceptable standards?in my culture.

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?

I feel it will, although the various more powerful players may continue proxy games for a while longer. The U.S. has already adopted military?stances in that theater, as well as in others. Basically, Russia wants Ukraine (and maybe Europe), the Palestinian coalition wants Israel, China wants the South Seas, and the U.S. (and allies) want to stop all those desires from realizing. By independant?move?or hidden Axis agenda, Russia first stepped it up with a direct and invasive use of force on a historically significant level. Hamas followed suit. China is cagier. The Philippines, Israel and Ukraine have dug in?and so now we have broken the ice: war is a current and real tool for political?goals in many areas. Not just limited?third?world power plays, but on a scale already involving global arms and strategic resources. I would say we are only a bomb away from sending in the boots.

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?

Duh.

4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

Insight, critical thinking, and perhaps intelligence. If I state something knowing that I do not know, I am lying even if I score a factual hit. If I do not?know that I do not know, then it is an unintentional misrepresentation?and maybe a stretch of the definition of the word lie?

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?

That questions feels like the answer may be cultural and so my answer would be that it probably does to some people, depending upon personal and cultural perceptions.


 

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Who would do the scut work?

Moo?

On Aug 10, 2024, at 09:03, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:

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David said:? Solo s¨¦ que no s¨¦ nada.? We very seldom know anything.? We lie a *lot*.? Bad.

Darrell agreed: Yes, imagine us actually knowing how little we know? Mu should be part of the public school curriculum.


Darrell G King, MA, RN
Rochester, NY, US
DarrellGKing@...




On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 3:53?AM David Smith via <dvdcsmth=[email protected]> wrote:

// ? ? ?4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

Insight, critical thinking, and perhaps intelligence. If I state something knowing that I do not know, I am lying even if I score a factual hit. If I do?not?know that I do not know, then it is an unintentional misrepresentation?and maybe a stretch of the definition of the word lie??? ? ?//

Solo s¨¦ que no s¨¦ nada.? We very seldom know anything.? We lie a *lot*.? Bad.

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Not love, not hate, but the passion for ignorance is the most fundamental passion of man.

¡ª¡ª

On Aug 9, 2024, at 08:58, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:

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1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?

ethical
adjective
eth¡¤i¡¤cal ?e-thi-k?l
variants or less commonly ethic
?e-thik
Synonyms of ethical
1
: of or relating to ethics
ethical theories
2
: involving or expressing moral approval or disapproval
ethical judgments
3
: conforming to accepted standards of conduct
ethical behavior
4
of a drug : restricted to sale only on a doctor's prescription


I believe morals to be subjective to the culture they apply to or arise from. What is right for me is wrong for others. It would be against?my morals to publicly?rejoice (A very strong word suggesting celebration) at such a situation, although I would consider it a normal and healthy behavior to feel private relief if the individual?had been a threat in some way.? My more public expression might be to acknowledge sadness that the death had occurred?and to work healthy problem solving directed?at the changed situation. I believe this would meet acceptable standards?in my culture.

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?

I feel it will, although the various more powerful players may continue proxy games for a while longer. The U.S. has already adopted military?stances in that theater, as well as in others. Basically, Russia wants Ukraine (and maybe Europe), the Palestinian coalition wants Israel, China wants the South Seas, and the U.S. (and allies) want to stop all those desires from realizing. By independant?move?or hidden Axis agenda, Russia first stepped it up with a direct and invasive use of force on a historically significant level. Hamas followed suit. China is cagier. The Philippines, Israel and Ukraine have dug in?and so now we have broken the ice: war is a current and real tool for political?goals in many areas. Not just limited?third?world power plays, but on a scale already involving global arms and strategic resources. I would say we are only a bomb away from sending in the boots.

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?

Duh.

4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

Insight, critical thinking, and perhaps intelligence. If I state something knowing that I do not know, I am lying even if I score a factual hit. If I do not?know that I do not know, then it is an unintentional misrepresentation?and maybe a stretch of the definition of the word lie?

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?

That questions feels like the answer may be cultural and so my answer would be that it probably does to some people, depending upon personal and cultural perceptions.


 

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Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land? ?How soon is soon?


On Aug 10, 2024, at 14:34, a1thighmaster via groups.io <thighmaster@...> wrote:


2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.

...
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers


 

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Because they resent their history.

Marvin

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Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land? ?How soon is soon?
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On Aug 10, 2024, at 14:34, a1thighmaster via groups.io <thighmaster@...> wrote:
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2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.

...
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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Generation after generation after generation? ?Each child that's born is a tabula rasa. ?Children must be taught to become haters. ?Why would generation after generation after generation condemn their children to such a miserable life?


On Aug 10, 2024, at 19:25, mrvnchpmn via groups.io <chapman@...> wrote:

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Because they resent their history.

Marvin

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Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land? ?How soon is soon?
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On Aug 10, 2024, at 14:34, a1thighmaster via groups.io <thighmaster@...> wrote:
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2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.

...
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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That is he question of the millenium - since that is how long it has been going on.

Marvin


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Generation after generation after generation? ?Each child that's born is a tabula rasa. ?Children must be taught to become haters. ?Why would generation after generation after generation condemn their children to such a miserable life?
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On Aug 10, 2024, at 19:25, mrvnchpmn via groups.io <chapman@...> wrote:
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Because they resent their history.

Marvin

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Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land? ?How soon is soon?
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On Aug 10, 2024, at 14:34, a1thighmaster via groups.io <thighmaster@...> wrote:
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2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.

...
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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Mu?is a koan used in the?Rinzai Zen tradition.
A student asked?Joshu, ¡°Does the dog have Buddha-nature or not?¡± Joshu answered: ¡°Mu.¡±


The koan is not about whether a dog does or does not have a Buddha-nature because everything is Buddha-nature, and either a positive or negative answer is absurd because there is no particular thing called Buddha-nature.


In the context of my post, the reference was intended to reinforce the concept?that human beings tend to buy into their concepts as reality. It is a facet of human psychology. We hold forth in knowledgeable hubris about and with our symbology (language primarily) while forgetting that we are speaking about symbols pointing?at other symbols pointing at other symbols. Each?person uses these tools to both conceive?and communicate, too often forgetting that symbols are only approximations. I am sure of my meaning, yet the next guy interprets what I say through his own lens.

Were each to understand mindfully that symbols, including his own entire worldview, are only tools for approximating internal thought structures so he can suggest the general?idea of what he is thinking to another, the population might be slightly more humble about their own rightness and might even be more tolerant of another's perspective.?

See what all?that Zen and meditation stuff has done to me?

:)

Darrell G King, MA, RN
Rochester, NY, US
DarrellGKing@...




On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 4:31?PM David Smith via <dvdcsmth=[email protected]> wrote:

Who would do the scut work?

Moo?

On Aug 10, 2024, at 09:03, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:

?
David said:? Solo s¨¦ que no s¨¦ nada.? We very seldom know anything.? We lie a *lot*.? Bad.

Darrell agreed: Yes, imagine us actually knowing how little we know? Mu should be part of the public school curriculum.


Darrell G King, MA, RN
Rochester, NY, US
DarrellGKing@...




On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 3:53?AM David Smith via <dvdcsmth=[email protected]> wrote:

// ? ? ?4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

Insight, critical thinking, and perhaps intelligence. If I state something knowing that I do not know, I am lying even if I score a factual hit. If I do?not?know that I do not know, then it is an unintentional misrepresentation?and maybe a stretch of the definition of the word lie??? ? ?//

Solo s¨¦ que no s¨¦ nada.? We very seldom know anything.? We lie a *lot*.? Bad.

?

Not love, not hate, but the passion for ignorance is the most fundamental passion of man.

¡ª¡ª

On Aug 9, 2024, at 08:58, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:

?
1.? Is it ethical to rejoice at the death of a bad individual?

ethical
adjective
eth¡¤i¡¤cal ?e-thi-k?l
variants or less commonly ethic
?e-thik
Synonyms of ethical
1
: of or relating to ethics
ethical theories
2
: involving or expressing moral approval or disapproval
ethical judgments
3
: conforming to accepted standards of conduct
ethical behavior
4
of a drug : restricted to sale only on a doctor's prescription


I believe morals to be subjective to the culture they apply to or arise from. What is right for me is wrong for others. It would be against?my morals to publicly?rejoice (A very strong word suggesting celebration) at such a situation, although I would consider it a normal and healthy behavior to feel private relief if the individual?had been a threat in some way.? My more public expression might be to acknowledge sadness that the death had occurred?and to work healthy problem solving directed?at the changed situation. I believe this would meet acceptable standards?in my culture.

2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?

I feel it will, although the various more powerful players may continue proxy games for a while longer. The U.S. has already adopted military?stances in that theater, as well as in others. Basically, Russia wants Ukraine (and maybe Europe), the Palestinian coalition wants Israel, China wants the South Seas, and the U.S. (and allies) want to stop all those desires from realizing. By independant?move?or hidden Axis agenda, Russia first stepped it up with a direct and invasive use of force on a historically significant level. Hamas followed suit. China is cagier. The Philippines, Israel and Ukraine have dug in?and so now we have broken the ice: war is a current and real tool for political?goals in many areas. Not just limited?third?world power plays, but on a scale already involving global arms and strategic resources. I would say we are only a bomb away from sending in the boots.

3.? Is it likely that another bad actor will use the current situation as an opportunity to make a power grab?

Duh.

4.? What is the difference between telling a lie and not knowing the truth?

Insight, critical thinking, and perhaps intelligence. If I state something knowing that I do not know, I am lying even if I score a factual hit. If I do not?know that I do not know, then it is an unintentional misrepresentation?and maybe a stretch of the definition of the word lie?

5.? Does the height of a politician make a difference in electibility?

That questions feels like the answer may be cultural and so my answer would be that it probably does to some people, depending upon personal and cultural perceptions.


 

David asked:? Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?

And Darrell mused: Because both groups have built up mental stories of what is 'right' and what each 'deserves'? How can I let my side down by questioning the story when it is foundational to the group I claim membership in? To do so would?threaten my very belonging, an outcome antithetical?to the survival intent of the human social instinct. Doesn't much matter if this is the more rational course because it is survival psychology and survival (of the individual in order to propagate the species) is a biological imperative.

I am full of useless philosophy this morning!? ?




On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 4:39?PM David Smith via <dvdcsmth=[email protected]> wrote:

Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?


On Aug 10, 2024, at 14:34, a1thighmaster via <thighmaster=[email protected]> wrote:


2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.

...
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers