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1.? Should student protesters who illegally occupy campus buildings be expelled from? their college?

2.? ?Should students on Education visas who engage in illegal activities on campus be deported?

3.? Should the government offer free college to all students?

4.? Is there any real chance that neither Biden nor Trump will win the presidential election?

5.? Are you concerned about world affairs in the near future?


 

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1.? Should student protesters who illegally occupy campus buildings be expelled from? their college?
That decision is entirely up to the college administration. It could vary from institution to institution.

2.? ?Should students on Education visas who engage in illegal activities on campus be deported?
It probably depends on how serious their offense is.

3.? Should the government offer free college to all students?
Yes.

4.? Is there any real chance that neither Biden nor Trump will win the presidential election?
No.

5.? Are you concerned about world affairs in the near future?
I'm no more or less concerned than I've been in the near past.

Aloha,
Celeste


 

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3.? Should the government offer free college to all students?
Yes.
Why?


On May 9, 2024, at 23:55, a1thighmaster via groups.io <thighmaster@...> wrote:

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1.? Should student protesters who illegally occupy campus buildings be expelled from? their college?
That decision is entirely up to the college administration. It could vary from institution to institution.

2.? ?Should students on Education visas who engage in illegal activities on campus be deported?
It probably depends on how serious their offense is.

3.? Should the government offer free college to all students?
Yes.

4.? Is there any real chance that neither Biden nor Trump will win the presidential election?
No.

5.? Are you concerned about world affairs in the near future?
I'm no more or less concerned than I've been in the near past.

Aloha,
Celeste


 

1.? Should student protesters who illegally occupy campus buildings be expelled from? their college?

Would depend upon such things as college policies and the goals the institution has for its educational program. Civil disobedience is not necessarily a bad thing to expose students to, but there are considerations around the need for the facilities affected, for the messages the institution wishes to send to the world (and the staff and students) and for safety on many levels. In the end, the youthful enthusiasm for change of righteous rebellion must give to the social collective in order to maintain a working system.

2.? ?Should students on Education visas who engage in illegal activities on campus be deported?

This should be individually judged according to circumstances. Students and youth are historically enthusiastic about change. I was. Remember the '70's?

3.? Should the government offer free college to all students?

I tend toward?a yes on this because education is such a pervasive social need nowadays. We have government-sponsored?civic infrastructure, legal systems and healthcare systems. With all that money put into wasteful voting, traffic jams, endless lawmaking and ineffective insurance systems, it seems we could redirect a few dollars into something this essential. Probably cost a lot less than the student loan infrastructure and financing!

4.? Is there any real chance that neither Biden nor Trump will win the presidential election?

Of course. North Korea could plant suitcase bombs at half the voting stations and assassinate the candidates!

Beyond that, I think not.

5.? Are you concerned about world affairs in the near future?

Duh. I am not even anxious, but the congregating social stressors seem likely to unsettle the status quo as they roll on through...


 

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1.? The DEA has proposed rescheduling cannabis to relatively harmless - is this a good idea?

Yes, it would be a good idea, if true. They are actually going to reschedule it from Schedule 1 (no medical use, 100% illegal) to Schedule 3. There are 5 schedules of drugs, and the vast majority of drugs are not scheduled at all. Being classified as Schedule 3 means there is a potential medical use (already a component of marijuana, Marinol is FDA and classified as a Schedule 3 drug.)
I wouldn’t call Schedule 3 drugs “relatively harmless.” Rescheduling means that marijuana would be considered relatively less harmful than drugs in Schedule 1 or Schedule 2.

2.? ?Will the protests on college campuses spread this summer?

I doubt it. Most students will be going home for the summer. There are a portion of non-students who want to protest the weapons/funding the US or other companies are giving or selling to Israel, so I’d expect a number of local protests. But whether or not it should be, I don’t think the majority of Americans agree, care and/or are concerned enough about the happenings in Gaza to protest.

3.? Should animals be accorded the same rights to health, happiness and freedom of association as humans?

No. Children’s rights to health, happiness, and freedom of association are dictated by their parents. And children of even age 5 or so, usually can navigate the world and its dangers to a degree better than animals. Certainly by the teenage years, children can navigate the world and its dangers, better than animals. Why in the world would we give animals more rights than we give children?
There is also the argument, that humans could never afford such rights to animals, because how would they be enforceable? Humans debate already on what is the best way to make a animal happy (pampered housepet, or wild feral cat/dog?)

4.? ?Should government be colorblind in all aspects of regulation and law?

Generally yes….when its not, they should be hard evidence to support the government not being colorblind.

5.? Should unjust laws be disobeyed?


If need to save a life, or prevent serious harm, absolutely they should be disobeyed. If a law is drastically decreasing the quality of life of someone, then I would also support disobeying it.


1.? Should student protesters who illegally occupy campus buildings be expelled from? their college?

Depends on what their student code of conduct says about discipline and rule violation. If I were an administrator writing such the manual, I would say suspension unless the offender was a repeat offender or if vandalism was involved. After all, suspend a student, they might flunk and come back the next semester with more tuition money. Expel them, then they will be going to a competitor college with that tuition money.


2.? ?Should students on Education visas who engage in illegal activities on campus be deported?

Already, someone on a non-permanent visa is almost always deported if they commit a crime, no matter how small. So, if these students are arrested, they will be deported. Whether or not they are arrested depends on the illegal activity happening on campus. In the case of illegally occupying buildings, it’s the administrations call….as long as they are willing to up with the protestors, they protestors aren’t illegally occupying. No different than someone putting up with a rude and belligerent visitor in their home….it’s not a crime, until the home owner has had enough and calls the police when the visitor won’t leave.

3.? Should the government offer free college to all students?

To some extent yes. The US is rich enough to afford this and paying for college would increase the GDP and taxes, decrease welfare and crime, and be much more of a positive for society than the cost of it. “Free” college would only be at public institutions, and their admissions requirements would still be in effect…..so someone may want the “free” college, but if they couldn’t get admitted, then they wouldn’t get it. And there would have to be limits….ie someone could stay at community college forever and never pass enough classes to graduate.?

Private colleges would still exist and many people would still choose them for the same reasons people attending them now chose them over a public institution. And many people would still chose not to go to college for various reasons.

4.? Is there any real chance that neither Biden nor Trump will win the presidential election?

No. Unless they die before the conventions to official name them, then even if they died before the election their name would still be on the ballot.

5.? Are you concerned about world affairs in the near future?

Mildly. On one hand, I trust that everything will work out as it’s supposed to work out, with God’s help. And if I’m wrong and there is no God, well then things will work out naturally they only way they can work out. ?But not knowing the future and living through everything as it plays out is a bit scary. Trump meets all the criteria of the antichrist as described in the Bible, which likely means very tough times ahead for people who follow the Bible. Certainly no one else in history but Trump meets all the criteria, but maybe that is just a coincidence, or maybe Revelations and other end time verses in the Bible really are not to be taken literally as many Christians believe.


 

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Why not? Public education should be free and there are a lot of public colleges and universities. This approach seems to work quite well in Europe. There's really no need to force the underprivileged to have to struggle while other students don't have to.

Aloha,
Celeste

On 5/9/2024 6:19 PM, David Smith wrote:

Why?


Celeste wrote
3.? Should the government offer free college to all students?
Yes.



 

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Ibn Europe students don't study worthless subjects - and if they don't do well their first year they are out.? No limping along - though I limped through seven years at UC Davis and finally succeeded.

Marvin



Why not? Public education should be free and there are a lot of public colleges and universities. This approach seems to work quite well in Europe. There's really no need to force the underprivileged to have to struggle while other students don't have to.

Aloha,
Celeste
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On 5/9/2024 6:19 PM, David Smith wrote:

Why?
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Celeste wrote
3.? Should the government offer free college to all students?
Yes.
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Marvin,

I couldn't afford to limp. When I started college I was 16 and became an emancipated minor. I was able to get into the college's work-study program, though, and that was a real blessing. I worked in the college's computer lab (at minimum wage), so I had relevant work experience when I graduated. I never went back home to mom. The biggest hassle was learning to drive and then finding a car when I first started.

Aloha,
Celeste

On 5/11/2024 4:58 AM, Marvin wrote:


Ibn Europe students don't study worthless subjects - and if they don't do well their first year they are out.? No limping along - though I limped through seven years at UC Davis and finally succeeded.


Celeste wrote:

Why not? Public education should be free and there are a lot of public colleges and universities. This approach seems to work quite well in Europe. There's really no need to force the underprivileged to have to struggle while other students don't have to.


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On 5/9/2024 6:19 PM, David Smith wrote:
Why?
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Celeste wrote
3.? Should the government offer free college to all students?
Yes.
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I was in my 50's and had to work while qualifying?undergrad for a very competitive program. I stayed between 3.6 (gynecology?rotation!) and 4.0 throughout school. We invested a lot of time and money into getting my license and any attempt to coast would?have been an insult to the family supporting this mid-life crisis!

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Darrell G King, MA, RN
Rochester, NY, US
DarrellGKing@...




On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:25?AM a1thighmaster via <thighmaster=[email protected]> wrote:
Marvin,

I couldn't afford to limp. When I started college I was 16 and became an emancipated minor. I was able to get into the college's work-study program, though, and that was a real blessing. I worked in the college's computer lab (at minimum wage), so I had relevant work experience when I graduated. I never went back home to mom. The biggest hassle was learning to drive and then finding a car when I first started.

Aloha,
Celeste

On 5/11/2024 4:58 AM, Marvin wrote:

Ibn Europe students don't study worthless subjects - and if they don't do well their first year they are out.? No limping along - though I limped through seven years at UC Davis and finally succeeded.


Celeste wrote:

Why not? Public education should be free and there are a lot of public colleges and universities. This approach seems to work quite well in Europe. There's really no need to force the underprivileged to have to struggle while other students don't have to.


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On 5/9/2024 6:19 PM, David Smith wrote:
Why?
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Celeste wrote
3.? Should the government offer free college to all students?
Yes.
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I worked every year in college and graduated with less than $10,000 in debt.? The biggest problem I had was bad advising in Community College - I should have been in engineering from the beginning but had no advisors asking me about what I liked doing.

I survived and have been working in the field for forty five years now.

Marvin

Marvin,

I couldn't afford to limp. When I started college I was 16 and became an emancipated minor. I was able to get into the college's work-study program, though, and that was a real blessing. I worked in the college's computer lab (at minimum wage), so I had relevant work experience when I graduated. I never went back home to mom. The biggest hassle was learning to drive and then finding a car when I first started.

Aloha,
Celeste

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On 5/11/2024 4:58 AM, Marvin wrote:



Ibn Europe students don't study worthless subjects - and if they don't do well their first year they are out.? No limping along - though I limped through seven years at UC Davis and finally succeeded.


Celeste wrote:

Why not? Public education should be free and there are a lot of public colleges and universities. This approach seems to work quite well in Europe. There's really no need to force the underprivileged to have to struggle while other students don't have to.


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On 5/9/2024 6:19 PM, David Smith wrote:
Why?
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Celeste wrote
3.? Should the government offer free college to all students?
Yes.
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