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G11 performance unguided


Sonny Edmonds
 

A dolly would not work for me because of a step up/down getting to my location.
And the proximity of the pool. One wheel off and the rig takes a dive.
That would be some deep dew!
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SonnyE


 

Brian,

LOL that is what my saved from the dumpster Meade LX200 classic 10" f/6.3 OTA looked like at the eyepiece the first time I looked through it, I was very sad. It was basically free but looked like there was a reason.??

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Chip Louie - Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware


 

One more with some additional details

this is 1 hour (12x300sec) Ha filter on portion of IC1871 soul nebula - full frame, a little dbe and stretching in PI:




The analysis shows really solid median fwhm and eccentricity - basically nice tight round stars


here's the interesting part: this is stacked but not registered frames, which show field movement over time (it's unguided so this is all mount) - crop at 100%





even closer crop?@ 300%


this curious movement shows the mount had two different phases of drift, punctuated in the middle by an automated focuser run

1. wow how much the focuser run moves the frame! (I think - could be wrong here)
2. interesting how the shape of movement changes from a sinusoidal wave to a straight-ish line? maybe? some fainter stars on far right show something slightly different




On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 9:07 PM Brian Valente <bvalente@...> wrote:
I have been experimenting with optimizing unguided performance with my G11 and wanted to share an example of what's possible right now.?

Most importantly, this is unguided and at a pretty good focal length. My G11 was purchased around 2010 and has been steadily updated through the years. I think it's pretty much what you'd get if you bought it today, except it's pretty banged up lol


the target is webo 1, a tiny planetary nebula on the fringe of the heart nebula.?

this is a single 300 second frame (Ha filter)
scope is ES165?@844mm focal length, i think it's at f5.6? i have to check the reducer specs
camera is SX trius pro 694, no cooling (camera issues with cooler)
unguided exposure
no PEC

the important stuff on the exposure
fwhm 1.914
eccentricity 0.5140 (roughly, star eccentricity?of 0.5 is considered round to the human eye)

I hope i used settings that represented a good test (I used the Ha filter because otherwise my luminance or other broadband filter would blow out due to bortle 9 skies)?
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i've attached a JPG to this email, it's an unimpressive target but the star profiles show the performance (it's not cut off: i'm aiming for the edge of the nebula where webo 1 resides)




the link to the raw fits is here if you want to pixel peep



this was one of the best frames, and of course image quality varied quite a bit


Observations:

Polar alignment and tightening the alt/az knobs seem to be really critical, far more than I anticipated. I used sharpcap 3.2 for polar alignment (ended up measured at 14") and replaced the stock bolts with #8 hardened hex head bolts (nuts for the az), and tightened them carefully using a crescent wrench.?

I also took care to balance the mount in both ra and dec (using spring loaded worms, so no weight bias) and another important thing was not to overtighten the clutches: only as much as needed to stop the axis moving

I don't think this says I can image unguided all the time just yet. there are still a fair number of frames that show some star elongation, enough that i can see it at 200% magnification. I'm not sure if it's polar alignment or other, so i'm still experimenting

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Brian?



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I too would be interested to see "RMS" for each of several exposures for reference/comparison to guided performance.

Maybe from PEMPro? Does PHD2 give you another way to do this? You said you wouldn't use Guide Assistant, but I am not sure why...


 

>>> You said you wouldn't use Guide Assistant, but I am not sure why

because there's no guide camera and therefore no ability to run any sort of guiding or ga while imaging :)



On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 12:34 PM Anthony Q <anthonyquintile4@...> wrote:

I too would be interested to see "RMS" for each of several exposures for reference/comparison to guided performance.

Maybe from PEMPro? Does PHD2 give you another way to do this? You said you wouldn't use Guide Assistant, but I am not sure why...



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That explains it...