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? From: Tony Gabriele via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2020 2:51 PM
Subject: [Losmandy_users_io] Astronomy software & capture
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would like to hear from my fellow Losmandy users as to what they deem the best
astronomy software that is most compatible with Gemini 2 to control the
telescope, and which capture software is also the most compatible.
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Hi again Tony Pretty much all software works great with Losmandy Gemini,?thanks to its excellent ASCOM software program Gemini Telescope.net For capture software i've?personally used many solutions, including Sequence Generator Pro (my current favorite), NINA, Maxim DL, The Sky X, Sharpcap, ACP, etc. They all work extremely well for me and my Losmandy mounts with Gemini II. Brian On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 1:51 PM Tony Gabriele via <tgabriele73=[email protected]> wrote: I would like to hear from my fellow Losmandy users as to what they deem the best astronomy software that is most compatible with Gemini 2 to control the telescope, and which capture software is also the most compatible. --
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Brian Did you get the same notice from SGP that they've gone to yearly fee service? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Brian Valente <bvalente@...> To: Losmandy_users <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Oct 7, 2020 02:22 PM Subject: Re: [Losmandy_users_io] Astronomy software & capture software Hi again Tony Pretty much all software works great with Losmandy Gemini,?thanks to its excellent ASCOM software program Gemini Telescope.net For capture software i've?personally used many solutions, including Sequence Generator Pro (my current favorite), NINA, Maxim DL, The Sky X, Sharpcap, ACP, etc. They all work extremely well for me and my Losmandy mounts with Gemini II. Brian On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 1:51 PM Tony Gabriele via <tgabriele73=[email protected]> wrote: I would like to hear from my fellow Losmandy users as to what they deem the best astronomy software that is most compatible with Gemini 2 to control the telescope, and which capture software is also the most compatible. Brian? Brian Valente portfolio |
Yes i did.? i read through that pretty thoroughly because i have 6 licenses for SGP (they sell it in 3 packs and i needed 4 so that's where i ended up) I decided to give it a year and see what $50+/year subscription gets me. if they do significant improvements that are meaningful to me, i'll continue that.? If not, i'll just stop and stick with the version i have.? Fortunately they allow you to continue to use the version you have without a subscription, so it seems reasonable On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 2:26 PM crocco1250 via <crocco1250=[email protected]> wrote:
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My license shows 3 available, subscription ended, $149 & $59/year to continue. My version 3.2 works but updates don't work!!! Looks like they've joined the dark side of the force (AKA $$$). Chuck -----Original Message-----
From: Brian Valente <bvalente@...> To: Losmandy_users <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Oct 7, 2020 02:28 PM Subject: Re: [Losmandy_users_io] Astronomy software & capture software Yes i did.? i read through that pretty thoroughly because i have 6 licenses for SGP (they sell it in 3 packs and i needed 4 so that's where i ended up) I decided to give it a year and see what $50+/year subscription gets me. if they do significant improvements that are meaningful to me, i'll continue that.? If not, i'll just stop and stick with the version i have.? Fortunately they allow you to continue to use the version you have without a subscription, so it seems reasonable On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 2:26 PM crocco1250 via <crocco1250=[email protected]> wrote:
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Chuck you should check with them they will waive the $149 for existing license holders You can use 3.1 indefinitely. 3.2 is the subscription version the links etc. were sent out in an email. if you need those again, drop me a line and i can try to dig up that email On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 2:33 PM crocco1250 via <crocco1250=[email protected]> wrote: Brian --
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I got the email but was surprised at the renewal fee of $149. I just put it out there so if viewers, if they weren't aware, they are now. I'm not sure I need an upgrade yet but it's not clear if you get a new camera if you have to upgrade to get the drivers! Chuck -----Original Message-----
From: Brian Valente <bvalente@...> To: Losmandy_users <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Oct 7, 2020 02:40 PM Subject: Re: [Losmandy_users_io] Astronomy software & capture software Chuck you should check with them they will waive the $149 for existing license holders You can use 3.1 indefinitely. 3.2 is the subscription version the links etc. were sent out in an email. if you need those again, drop me a line and i can try to dig up that email On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 2:33 PM crocco1250 via <crocco1250=[email protected]> wrote: Brian Brian? Brian Valente portfolio |
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if they weren't aware, they are now. I'm not sure I need an upgrade yet but it's not clear if you get a new camera if you have to upgrade to get the drivers! SGP uses ASCOM so I don't think support for future cameras is in jeopardy (at least ASCOM support: native support may be a different thing) you're right, if someone buys in right now it's $149. then you have the option of that yearly subscription to keep up with future updates.? ? On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 2:55 PM crocco1250 via <crocco1250=[email protected]> wrote: Brian --
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SGP has been serving me for about 3 years now and I have found it to be the most useful of those few apps I have tried. The plate-solving feature is super nice, where you can pretty much go exactly back to the same exact coordinates from any old subframe from a previous session to within several pixels. Not too keen on their new subscription plan as I supposedly purchased a lifetime license the first time around. We'll see how long I can go without updates or what happens when a Windows machine needs to be replaced. SGP has some glitches, like it won't run the TEC cooling on my Atik camera anymore. Also I get some bad slews when the mount changes targets or does a meridian flip with clouds overhead. It thinks it's someplace else and goes awry. But 95% of the time it works great. Several weeks ago I tried the freebie NINA, which has a lot of the same features. But I found you can't change anything, like add extra frames or a new target, while the software is running. You have to come to a complete stop to do that. Also you cannot abort the sequence in the middle of a frame if something is not right, you have to wait until the exposure runs out, a pain during 5 minute or longer exposures. Also It keeps running if guiding goes bad (clouds, etc.) , if you bump the mount, etc. SGP will warn you and stop the run, or restart when things are better. NINA doesn't do that and just keeps generating bad frames. Plate-solving is a must for me since my runs often occur over numerous evenings to gather enough data. You may want to keep that on your checklist.? Hope this helps. John |
开云体育Hi! I use Ekos/Indi to control everything and capture. and I am more
than happy with it. Fully automatic. You find it at indilib.org Best, Magnus
Den 2020-10-07 kl. 22:51, skrev Tony
Gabriele via groups.io:
I would like to hear from my fellow Losmandy users as to what they deem the best astronomy software that is most compatible with Gemini 2 to control the telescope, and which capture software is also the most compatible. |
开云体育Hi Tony, Compatibility with the Gemini 2 is pretty easy. ?Years ago, Meade developed the LX200 command set and made that available as a standard to anyone who wanted to use it. Not everyone took them up on their offer ... so the dream of having just one telescope command set never really happened. ?BUT there are a lot of mounts that did take advantage of it ... and that includes the Gemini. ?It is based on the LX200 command set. ? This means if your software specifically says it supports Losmandy Gemini, then that's the choice you would use. ?But even if you don't see "Losmandy Gemini" on the list... just pick a generic LX200 telescope mount and it will work. I don't think I have ever found a single application that can support "go to" telescope mounts... that did *not* work with the Gemini. It's hard to say what's "best" because that becomes subjective. ?Also... budgets come into the equation because when some people say "best" what they really mean is "best free software". ? Often times commercial software that isn't free is better (but not always). When I started, I was mostly looking at The Sky X (Software Bisque) or Starry Night Pro Plus (Simulation Curriculum). ?I went with Starry Night mostly because it was more user-friendly. ?I would later learn it's actually a LOT more powerful (it is a full-on simulation engine ... The Sky is not. ?It has some pretty clever advanced search capabilities that can do event predictions.) Back in those days, Stellarium wasn't very capable. ?These days Stellarium is much more capable (Stellarium is free). ?It isn't as powerful, but it may be good enough for your needs. ? But there's also KStars/Ekos (also free) and the benefit of KStars/Ekos is that all the image sequencing and capture software is built-in ... no need for separate apps. If you run Windows, then you probably want something that supports ASCOM. ?If you are not running Windows (e.g. if you have a mac, Linux, or any other OS) then you want something that supports INDI. ? ASCOM is developed using Microsoft .Net and that means it *only* supports Windows and is not portable to any other OS. ? INDI is developed based on POSIX-compliant code (POSIX=Portable Operating System Interchange standard). ?POSIX-compliant code is easy to port to other POSIX-complaint operating systems. ?E.g. Unix, Linux, macOS, etc. are all examples of POSIX-compliant operating systems. ? Windows is *not* POSIX-compliant. Most target devices are meant to be controlled by just one thing. ?E.g. if the planetarium software is controlling the mount ... and the auto-guider software is *also* trying to control the mount (e.g. to perform pulse-guiding or dithering) then you end up with a conflict. ?ASCOM & INDI solve this by acting as a middle-man. ?It becomes the only thing that has a real connection to your gear ... and everything else talks through it. E.g. if you order the mount to 'go to' some target, the software really tells the agent (ASCOM or INDI) what you want to do ... and ASCOM or INDI control the mount (or cameras, or filter wheels, or focuser, or dome, etc. etc. etc.). ? It controls your gear and then returns the results back to whichever application made the request. ?ASCOM & INID mediate sharing the gear across all the software (but those software must have support for ASCOM or INDI). What's "best" for me ... is a highly portable solution. ?I live in a very old neighborhood with a lot of very tall oak trees. ?I don't have a clear view to the sky (other than straight up to the zenith) from any location on my property. ?I *have* to load all my gear into the car and head out to a park to do any observing or imaging. ? This means "best" for me is small/compact & lightweight. ?I have no power in the park except what I bring with me and 12v lead-acid batteries are heavy. ?A laptop can run for a while on it's internal battery ... but usually not all night. ?And that would mean bringing even more batteries.? Instead... I use a Raspberry Pi and an iPad. ?The Raspberry Pi is a tiny $35 computer about the size of a deck of cards. ?It uses very little power (runs on 5v and a *maximum* of 3 amps but usually draws less than 1 amp. ?That means the *most* it can draw is 15 watts but usually isn't drawing more than 5 watts (compare that to a laptop which is probably drawing 70 watts even when they are idle). ?BTW, there have been may Raspberry Pi computers over the years. ?When we say "Raspberry Pi" what we really mean is the "Raspberry Pi 4 Model B" -- that's the current best generation. ? The Raspberry Pi runs the StellarMate OS software. ?What this *really* means is it runs Raspberry Pi OS bundled with a suite of astronomy applications. ? At the core it uses INDI to control all the gear. ? It uses KStars/Ekos as the planetarium software and to set up and run the capture sequence. ?However there is also a StellarMate iPad app (also available on Android ... you can use iOS devices or Android devices). ?But the engine running everything is *really* on the Raspberry Pi. ?This means you do not need to keep the tablet running ... you really just use that as the interface to tell it what you want to capture and launch the job. ? Then you put the tablet down and the Raspberry Pi will take it from there.? This translate into a lot of choice for you because a lot of software is compatible with either ASCOM (on Windows) or INDI (on everything else). Clear Skies, Tim On Oct 8, 2020, at 1:44 AM, Magnus Larsson <magnus@...> wrote:
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I abhor recurring charge crap. The only one I've signed on for is , but I did that before I even got it working for me, based on reputation. Then I found a video, and followed it. As well as Brian's advice to get my first "solve" in Polar Alignment. Now that I can run it fairly well, I enjoy trying to get it as close to all zero's
That said, I'm all for the Open Sourced stuff. It is usually free as well. I use Gemini Telescope, Stellarium, PHD2, Tight Vnc, and the software download for my Atik Infinky Camera. most of us newbies know, and is excellent with Losmandy mounts. I've used for going on 6 years now, but probably only actual mount control for 4-5 now. But I find it amazing for finding and having it slew the telescope to the object. And now, with my 811, it's even more amazing. I start as soon as it settles, then take some images to see if I want to adjust the centering or not. ?is a program I use when I want to go inside and run the rig remotely. It opens the Mount computer desktop on my inside computer displays and lets me run everything from inside, just like I was setting outside. My Atik Infiniky has it's own program to run the camera and collect images. Then I just save them to my Micro SD card. It currently has years of imaging on it, plus back up programs I can restore to my Baby Dell mount computer if need be. -- SonnyE (I suggest viewed in full screen) |
开云体育Tony, ? Part of the answer to your question depends on what you want to do with your equipment. Since you also ask about capture software, I am assuming you want to do astrophotography. ? However, astrophotography can take you in at least two different directions. Do you want to capture “pretty pictures” of the universe, or do you want to contribute to the ever-expanding frontiers of science? Astronomy is one area of science where amateurs can make valuable contributions. The main areas of contribution concern astrometry and photometry; but there are also contributions through the observation of occultations and spectroscopy. I am not making any value judgements here. You might spend all day working in a scientific area and would like to spend your leisure time exploring the aesthetic; or perhaps it is the reverse. ? One of the first advantages of astronomical software is that you can have a visual map of the night sky which is highly accurate, and if you have go-to hardware/firmware such as the Gemini 1 or 2, you can connect the software, click on a target in the software’s visualization of the night sky, and the mount will use the software to point the telescope at that target. Provided you have the mount properly polar-aligned, the target should then appear in the field of view of your camera. The connection between the software and your mount is made with a driver. The best way to go is with the ASCOM Gemini driver which is free. ? There are various offerings of astronomical software ranging from free to paid for. You might start off with the free stuff and then want a paid-for one with greater capability. I use Software Bisque’s TheSkyX software for this click and point task. You can add your own specialized databases to TheSkyX if you want. TheSkyX comes in various levels with the possibility of upgrading at any time. ? If you are doing planetary imaging, you won’t need guiding. You need to take a lot of very fast exposures and pick out the good ones, which are unaffected by transient atmospheric distortion. However, if doing astrophotography of deep space, you will need to guide the mount throughout a time exposure. This requires a guide camera as well as a main imaging camera. That brings us to camera software. ? Most camera software can control both imaging and guiding cameras. A person’s preference may be more subjective, as well as be determined by the extent to which they have read the manual. They may have results the opposite of that of others. Taking all that into account, here is my two-cents worth. I use both Software Bisque’s TheSkyX Camera Add-On and Diffraction Limited’s MaxImDL. TheSkyX Camera Add-On can control a range of different cameras. Working together with the TheSkyX program it has some great features: First, you can take a photo of the sky and do an Image Link which will tell you exactly where the telescope is pointing. This will sync your telescope to the sky so that you will never be “lost in space”. Second, the focusing routine - @Focus3 – is great. While it is always better to begin focusing close to the expected focal point, if you are out a bit, @Focus3 will slide up and down focus positions and find the right spot. MaxImDL can control a range of different cameras. MaxImDL also has some great features: First, you can throw all of your calibration images – darks, flats, biases – into one folder and MaxImDL will automatically select the right calibration frames for the current image and do calibration as you download. Suppose you are exposing frames and you realize you need to change the time-length of the exposure. No hassles, MaxImDL will adjust calibration for you. Second, I think the guiding in MaxImDL is better than all others. You’ll get others who will disagree with this and come up with other software offerings. But hopefully this explains the basics for you. ? If you go the scientific path, I think the best astrometric and photometric software is MPO Canopus. Sometimes I come up with a suggestion for improvement of this software, only to find that it already does what I seek. For pretty pictures, PixInsight seems to be the name of the game these days. ? Hope this helps. ? Greg ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
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Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2020 7:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Losmandy_users_io] Astronomy software & capture software ? I would like to hear from my fellow Losmandy users as to what they deem the best astronomy software that is most compatible with Gemini 2 to control the telescope, and which capture software is also the most compatible. |