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Recent 4" Tak Images from last weekend at ARGO


Julie and Tom Carrico
 

Hi all,
We had some okay nights at our observatory in central Oregon this last
weekend. 3 nights were clear with reasonable seeing, but some high
clouds. Two other nights had us chasing holes in the clouds. Still,
any night under the stars is wonderful.

Continuing to work out all the bugs on the G-11. When it is all tuned
up, it works just great. However, it seems to be very sensitive to
balance in RA. During guiding, the mount is kept heavy to the east.
This means that with the RA clutch loose, the scope will move and you
must pay attention when moving from the sky. If it is not that heavy,
the RA tracking suffers.
I have also found that the tracking rate that works best is 1.3 to 1.5
seconds with a delay between corrections (as set in MaxImCCD) of 0.8
seconds. If the delay is not set or is set too low, the mount seems to
chase corrections all over the place.
With the mount balanced and the guiding rate and delay properly set,
and when used with my 4" Tak (820 mm focal length), the tracking error
is usually +/- 0.2 pixels with an occassional flier of .7 or .8 that
gets corrected immediately. The camera is an ST-7E.

My latest images are:






The bubble nebula has been retouched to remove the blooming, as has
the cocoon. Tough images that will get another look next month.
I have learned that imaging at f/8 just requires lots of exposure. The
galaxy images could have used 2x the time I used here. That's also for
next month.

There will be more images posted later this week.

Thanks
Tom Carrico


Paul Sterngold
 

Hi Tom,

Very nice images. In the combo shot with 5905 at the center, there appears
to be another, bright FFO (galaxy?) close to the bright star that is just
to the left and above center of the frame. Is that a deformed star
(unlikely), some kind of reflection in the optical train (unlikely), or a
legitimate FFO?

Cheers,
Paul Sterngold

--- Julie and Tom Carrico <carrico@...> wrote:
Hi all,
We had some okay nights at our observatory in central Oregon this last
weekend. 3 nights were clear with reasonable seeing, but some high
clouds. Two other nights had us chasing holes in the clouds. Still,
any night under the stars is wonderful.

Continuing to work out all the bugs on the G-11. When it is all tuned
up, it works just great. However, it seems to be very sensitive to
balance in RA. During guiding, the mount is kept heavy to the east.
This means that with the RA clutch loose, the scope will move and you
must pay attention when moving from the sky. If it is not that heavy,
the RA tracking suffers.
I have also found that the tracking rate that works best is 1.3 to 1.5
seconds with a delay between corrections (as set in MaxImCCD) of 0.8
seconds. If the delay is not set or is set too low, the mount seems to
chase corrections all over the place.
With the mount balanced and the guiding rate and delay properly set,
and when used with my 4" Tak (820 mm focal length), the tracking error
is usually +/- 0.2 pixels with an occassional flier of .7 or .8 that
gets corrected immediately. The camera is an ST-7E.

My latest images are:






The bubble nebula has been retouched to remove the blooming, as has
the cocoon. Tough images that will get another look next month.
I have learned that imaging at f/8 just requires lots of exposure. The
galaxy images could have used 2x the time I used here. That's also for
next month.

There will be more images posted later this week.

Thanks
Tom Carrico


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Greg Crawford
 

Tom,

+/- .2 pixels is excellent. Would you have obtained the same level of
guiding accuracy ifyou had exposed the tracking CCD for say, 2 secs, without
any delay?

Greg Crawford


Julie and Tom Carrico
 

Greg,
The delay after correction (usually about .8 seconds) is absolutely
required. Until I did that, my corrections were always in the .5 to 1
pixel range. The mount was still responding to the prior move when the
next guiding exposure was started.
If I use a tracking rate of more than 2 seconds, and there is a change
in RA and DEC (my minimum move times are usually .2 to .25 seconds),
then it can be up to 2+.2+.2+.8+.8 = 4 seconds between corrections.
This now starts to get kind of long. I have noticed that the way my
drive works is that it hums along pretty well, and then has a jump of
.7 or so pixels that is usually guided out on the next correction. If
I wait too long between corrections, it will be too long before the
error is guided out.
I am still working with the drive. Since it is brand new, I have not
yet taken it all apart for a cleaning as recommended by so many other
G-11 motors. For the most part, I am very satisfied. The DSC are just
great and the mount is well built.

Tom C

Greg Crawford wrote:


Tom,

+/- .2 pixels is excellent. Would you have obtained the same level of
guiding accuracy ifyou had exposed the tracking CCD for say, 2 secs, without
any delay?

Greg Crawford



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Julie and Tom Carrico
 

Hi Paul,
I noticed that fuzzy as well and just assumed it was a galaxy. I
checked the Digitized Sky Survey

and it shows the galaxy pretty clearly.
The ability of these commercial CCDs to pull out these dimmer objects
is really amazing. It is one of the things that I really enjoy about
this hobby.

Thanks
Tom C

Paul Sterngold wrote:


Hi Tom,

Very nice images. In the combo shot with 5905 at the center, there appears
to be another, bright FFO (galaxy?) close to the bright star that is just
to the left and above center of the frame. Is that a deformed star
(unlikely), some kind of reflection in the optical train (unlikely), or a
legitimate FFO?

Cheers,
Paul Sterngold

--- Julie and Tom Carrico <carrico@...> wrote:
Hi all,
We had some okay nights at our observatory in central Oregon this last
weekend. 3 nights were clear with reasonable seeing, but some high
clouds. Two other nights had us chasing holes in the clouds. Still,
any night under the stars is wonderful.

Continuing to work out all the bugs on the G-11. When it is all tuned
up, it works just great. However, it seems to be very sensitive to
balance in RA. During guiding, the mount is kept heavy to the east.
This means that with the RA clutch loose, the scope will move and you
must pay attention when moving from the sky. If it is not that heavy,
the RA tracking suffers.
I have also found that the tracking rate that works best is 1.3 to 1.5
seconds with a delay between corrections (as set in MaxImCCD) of 0.8
seconds. If the delay is not set or is set too low, the mount seems to
chase corrections all over the place.
With the mount balanced and the guiding rate and delay properly set,
and when used with my 4" Tak (820 mm focal length), the tracking error
is usually +/- 0.2 pixels with an occassional flier of .7 or .8 that
gets corrected immediately. The camera is an ST-7E.

My latest images are:






The bubble nebula has been retouched to remove the blooming, as has
the cocoon. Tough images that will get another look next month.
I have learned that imaging at f/8 just requires lots of exposure. The
galaxy images could have used 2x the time I used here. That's also for
next month.

There will be more images posted later this week.

Thanks
Tom Carrico

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Greg Crawford
 

Tom,

After another night fine tuning my G11 I still have not achieved your
guiding error rate.

So I'll keep trying. :-)

Two more questions: Do you use the King tracking rate? Do you find that the
PEC helps?

Greg Crawford

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From: Julie and Tom Carrico [mailto:carrico@...]
Sent: Saturday, 5 August 2000 12:53 AM
To: Losmandy_users@...
Subject: Re: [Losmandy_users] Recent 4" Tak Images from last
weekend at
ARGO


Greg,
The delay after correction (usually about .8 seconds) is absolutely
required. Until I did that, my corrections were always in the .5 to 1
pixel range. The mount was still responding to the prior move when the
next guiding exposure was started.
If I use a tracking rate of more than 2 seconds, and there is a change
in RA and DEC (my minimum move times are usually .2 to .25 seconds),
then it can be up to 2+.2+.2+.8+.8 = 4 seconds between corrections.
This now starts to get kind of long. I have noticed that the way my
drive works is that it hums along pretty well, and then has a jump of
.7 or so pixels that is usually guided out on the next correction. If
I wait too long between corrections, it will be too long before the
error is guided out.
I am still working with the drive. Since it is brand new, I have not
yet taken it all apart for a cleaning as recommended by so many other
G-11 motors. For the most part, I am very satisfied. The DSC are just
great and the mount is well built.

Tom C

Greg Crawford wrote:

Tom,

+/- .2 pixels is excellent. Would you have obtained the
same level of
guiding accuracy ifyou had exposed the tracking CCD for
say, 2 secs, without
any delay?

Greg Crawford



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Julie and Tom Carrico
 

Hi Greg,
I do not use the King tracking rate. My impression was it works for
low to the horizon shots. Since I do not have a complete understanding
of it, I have never tried it.
I have not tried the PEC, but I am thinking about giving it a try to
see if it provides any help. I am a little bothered by the fact that I
would have to retrain it every time I use it, but if it works, it
would be worth it.

Tom C



Greg Crawford wrote:


Tom,

After another night fine tuning my G11 I still have not achieved your
guiding error rate.

So I'll keep trying. :-)

Two more questions: Do you use the King tracking rate? Do you find that the
PEC helps?

Greg Crawford

-----Original Message-----
From: Julie and Tom Carrico [mailto:carrico@...]
Sent: Saturday, 5 August 2000 12:53 AM
To: Losmandy_users@...
Subject: Re: [Losmandy_users] Recent 4" Tak Images from last
weekend at
ARGO


Greg,
The delay after correction (usually about .8 seconds) is absolutely
required. Until I did that, my corrections were always in the .5 to 1
pixel range. The mount was still responding to the prior move when the
next guiding exposure was started.
If I use a tracking rate of more than 2 seconds, and there is a change
in RA and DEC (my minimum move times are usually .2 to .25 seconds),
then it can be up to 2+.2+.2+.8+.8 = 4 seconds between corrections.
This now starts to get kind of long. I have noticed that the way my
drive works is that it hums along pretty well, and then has a jump of
.7 or so pixels that is usually guided out on the next correction. If
I wait too long between corrections, it will be too long before the
error is guided out.
I am still working with the drive. Since it is brand new, I have not
yet taken it all apart for a cleaning as recommended by so many other
G-11 motors. For the most part, I am very satisfied. The DSC are just
great and the mount is well built.

Tom C

Greg Crawford wrote:

Tom,

+/- .2 pixels is excellent. Would you have obtained the
same level of
guiding accuracy ifyou had exposed the tracking CCD for
say, 2 secs, without
any delay?

Greg Crawford



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