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Re: Australian Lotus 23 # 23 S 23
Jeff Williams
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýA guy here bought a 23 in the last few years
(forgot his name), which had a Saab 3 banger, and converted it to a FF
crossflow, (I believe), and it
runs in the Historics up here, in Portland, in
July.? If anyone is coming up here for the historics, drop me a line and
I'll take ya out for beers.
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Jeff
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Re: Car Pictures
Gary Horstkorta
...her right foot and in her head. She seems like a very savvy young racer destined for great things. Makes Bobby Rahal look like a genius so far.
Gary From: cmoore88@... Reply-To: L23Registry@... To: L23Registry@... Subject: Re: [L23Registry] Car Pictures Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:53:40 EDT Yo...been reading the stuff today....great to see. I am Carl Moore...Northern Calif racer from the 60's and have #23S 102... have been running vintage since 1980.... My 23B..has C corners on it...and it works great...and the body is not "fat"...looks very slim, trim and original. Speaking of slim and trim....Heard a former Indy Driver yesterday on the radio (Willy Ribbs) say that the only weight advantage Danica has is extra weight in her RIGHT FOOT......good for her. Cheers Carl Moore _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! |
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Re: Car Pictures
Carl,
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You have that right!?Ms Patrick has a?heavy right foot!? And leave it to Willy T Ribbs to get that one right!
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Bill Steagall
cmoore88@... wrote:
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Re: Lotus 23 s/n 103
Replying to Don Stark,
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Your car, 23S103 was delivered less engine on March 26th, 1964.
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Regards,
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Bill Steagall
Don Stark wrote: This is a question for Bill Steagal.? I was looking through the papers |
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Re: Car Pictures
Gary and all,
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I too am one of those 220 pound guys and when I got my 23 I was - I admit it - up to 250.? I went on a diet, inspired by my car!? Now all of us who are the size of Gary and I can envy Danica Patrick and her 'unfair advantage'.?
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Regards,
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Bill Steagall,
Registrar/Moderator
Don Stark wrote: I agree with Gary Horstkorta that it would be great to generate a |
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Re: Australian Lotus 23 # 23 S 23
Gary, and all other Lotus 23 owners:-
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Perhaps I missed some things, but I thought we had a fairly active discussion of many topics specifically related to the Lotus 23.? I recall, for example some discussion of the suspension recently.?
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I suppose too that part of the reason for minimal email is that almost everyone knows where to get parts to restore or repair a Lotus 23.? It is not as it was in the early '80s when I began to restore mine.? Don Schaefer, various others and I made parts, contracted with suppliers to make parts, and parts were readily available to restore a Lotus 23. And, lamentably,?one can?create one from scratch.? Chassis,? body, engine, windscreen, suspension, brakes -- you name it and it is available.?
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Furthermore, in those early '80s most owners did their own restoration work. Now, I do believe, most Lotus 23s are maintained professionally.? That is in keeping with the change in vintage racing from a 'run what you brung and lets have fun with old cars' game to 'bring a museum piece and we'll see it it is good enough for us' game. Then too, the engines are now almost a one race per rebuild thing.? And at $25,000 a copy, too.
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And Gary, the discussion of that Lotus 23, the one in Australia has been going on for at least a decade.?See the file of newsletters beginning with number 22.?Lotus 23S23 was delivered in the early '60s to Al Pease, who drove it with some success until he crashed it.? The car was then rebuilt, sold and wound up in Canada where it fissioned into two cars.? Then Al began to restore some rescued parts he had, buying whatever he needed to complement the dash plaque and chassis parts he had saved.? This was debated in the newsletters with the final result that Richard Fewster reported that a Lotus 23 with that number had been in Australia since new.? That car turns out to have the ID 23/23.? Go figure.
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And I find it interesting that no one (few?) seems to have a plain Lotus 23.? All seem to be Lotus 23Bs.? Yet the factory made many Lotus 23s.. Plain 23s.? And of course, they made kits available for updating the chassis.?
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I'll close this by saying that I set up the Group on Yahoo to give all owners a place to exchange views.? So do it.
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Bill Steagall
Registrar/Moderator
Gary Horstkorta wrote: Bill: |
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Re: Car Pictures
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýYo...been reading the stuff today....great to see.? I am Carl Moore...Northern Calif racer from the 60's and have #23S 102... have been running vintage since 1980....
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My 23B..has C corners on it...and it works great...and the body is not "fat"...looks very slim, trim and original.?
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Speaking of slim and trim....Heard a former Indy Driver yesterday on the radio (Willy Ribbs) say that the only weight advantage Danica has? is extra weight in her RIGHT FOOT......good for her.
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Cheers
Carl Moore |
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Re: Car Pictures
Gary Horstkorta
Don:
Thanks for getting this started, hopefully we'll see some others respond. I looked on my list of L23 chassis numbers and #103 was shipped on Feb. 26, 1964 to a Mr. Webb, color was blue, apparently it was a roller, ie, without an engine. Gary From: "Don Stark" <homes@...> Reply-To: L23Registry@... To: L23Registry@... Subject: [L23Registry] Car Pictures Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 16:50:38 -0000 _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! |
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Car Pictures
Don Stark
I agree with Gary Horstkorta that it would be great to generate a
little more back and forth communication on this site. I agree also, with his suggestion that we add pictures. It is easy to do. Just go to the photo section (see light blue box on left) make a folder for your car, (Give it your name) and upload some pictures of your 23s from the computer. Then we can all see what a beautiful car you have. My pictures are under the "Pictures of my Lotus" folder, the 3rd folder in the photo section. I have pictures of my 23, Gary's 23 and my Lola T440 FFord, my old Elva Mk6 and my 125cc shifter kart. My 23B is serial number 103. One of three of this serial number recorded by William Steagall in the registry. I was told it is a "64 but some of the records indicate that it is a "62. It seems original and there are a lot of documents back to the '80s that credit it as being an original car except that the original frame number AM78 is not present on the frame anywhere that I can find it. There have been some modifications to the frame which were made by Roush Racing back in the 80s so those are documented. I do have a list of owners going back to the original purchasers that was put together from all the information that came with the car. I was heartened to see that at least things like the fuse box look original and are in the correct place. I have the red dash cover, original seats, what looks like an original oil tank, etc. Best of all, it has the Lotus twin cam and hewland and drives like a 23. I am 6' tall and weigh 220 lbs and barely fit into the car. The original seat doesn't support my back up to my shoulders so I had to borrow a seat extension design from Gary Horstkorta. The car is much more comfortable now that my upper back has support. I have been learning to set up the car since I got it. Little by little I am making progress in how to make it go faster or at least how to make it handle differently. I'd love to hear about your cars so let's get on the net and write about them. I live in Southern California and it seems like there aren't any sports racers around here so I have to commune with you guys over the internet. Don Stark |
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Re: Lotus 23 s/n 103
Gary Horstkorta
Don:
Email me your fax number off line and I'll send you a copy of a list of all the "official" 23's that were made. Might help you determine when yours was made. Gary From: "Don Stark" <homes@...> Reply-To: L23Registry@... To: L23Registry@... Subject: [L23Registry] Lotus 23 s/n 103 Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 02:38:17 -0000 _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! |
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Lotus 23 s/n 103
Don Stark
This is a question for Bill Steagal. I was looking through the papers
that came with my 23B and in some places, it is called a 1962 and in others it is called a 1964. Do we know about when various s/ns were produced? Also, I have a web site for work, I am a realtor, that has Don's racing pages on it. It is about my 23 and my earlier race cars. Go to www.starkteam.com and look for the racing pages button at the bottom left. I am continually updating and adding to the site. Don Stark, |
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Re: Australian Lotus 23 # 23 S 23
Gary Horstkorta
Bill:
I've been a 23 owner/racer for the past five years and a member of this discussion group since its inception. Compared to a couple of other car related discussion groups I'm part of, the L23Registry is a pretty quiet bunch. Maybe once or twice every month, a message will appear then its quiet again for weeks before another message appears. I for one would like to see more email activity. The Triumph discussion group I participate in is small, about 125 members worldwide and there are always five to a dozen messages covering various topics, EVERY DAY. There is the usual technical Q & A, parts swapping, vintage race reviews, recommendations for parts suppliers, post televised F1-IRL-INDY Car-SCCA race reviews and just general car talk. Its a lot of fun, can be very informative and a great source for technical tips from folks who have been dealing with Triumphs for years. I'd like to see the L23 Registry do something similar. To start, perhaps participants would be willing to submit a picture(s) of their car; provide a summary of the car's history; chat about their racing adventures etc. to get the ball rolliing and once we realize there actually is a community of owners online, the group can become more active. Any one else feel the same? Gary Northern California 1964 23B From: William Steagall <steagall99@...> Reply-To: L23Registry@... To: L23Registry@... Subject: RE: [L23Registry] Australian Lotus 23 # 23 S 23 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 17:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Sonny, If you have not yet heard, Marc Schagan will be helping me in my role as Registrar. You may hear from him about this. In the meantime, I looked in my files and found that Richard Fewster had been in touch with me about 23/23. His address is: Richard Fewster Turnbull Fox Phillips 40 ANZAC Highway Evarard Park, SA 5035 08 297 4755 Fax 08 297 1588 Regards, Bill Sonny Rajah <sonnyrajah@...> wrote: Hello Bill, Who is this chap who claims to have such a car in Australia. Would love to meet with him. A contact would be appreciated. Rgds Sonny PS: I have not as yet recieved the questionaire re: listing of my car. From: "William F. Steagall, Sr." <steagall99@...> --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: L23Registry-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! |
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Re: Australian Lotus 23 # 23 S 23
Sonny,
If you have not yet heard, Marc Schagan will be helping me in my role as Registrar.
You may hear from him about this.
In the meantime, I looked in my files and found that Richard Fewster had been in touch with me about 23/23.? His address is:
Richard Fewster
Turnbull Fox Phillips
40 ANZAC Highway
Evarard Park, SA 5035
08 297 4755
Fax 08 297 1588
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Regards,
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Bill
Sonny Rajah wrote: Hello Bill, |
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Re: Dutch 23
Gary Horstkorta
Olav:
That is going to be a tough one since I have read about numerous 23s "reported" to have been driven by Jim Clark. For example, there was a 23B owned by one of our club members (Northern California) about six years ago who claimed the car was driven by Clark. The car was nicely restored and sold for a very handsome price. Unless you have already done so, a good way to begin your search is to check race results for events where the car participated. Usually the driver and car owner are listed which will help you in your search. Also, photos of the car, car race number and color can provide useful clues. With my 23B, I was fortunate in that the log book came with the car. In the U.S., the Sports Car Club of America (SCCA) began issuing log books in 1972 for any car that entered their sanctioned races. The book contained a listing of each owner along with an individual entry for every race the car was entered in. I sent these lists to the SCCA historian and he responded with the last known contact information for several of the previous owners. Over the course of two years, I was able to locate and contact almost all of the ten previous owners of my car. The only one missing, is the first one but since the second owner purchased the 23 from a dealer of used racecars, I may never find out who that first owner was. Just recently, the second owner sent me a number of pictures of the my car from his racing days in 1967. Good luck with your search. Gary From: "meerburgh" <meerburgh@...> Reply-To: L23Registry@... To: <L23Registry@...> Subject: [L23Registry] Re: Dutch 23 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 08:50:30 +0200 _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! |
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Re: Dutch 23
meerburgh
Hi everybody,
I am trying to research the whereabouts of a 23 that raced in Holland around 1964. This car was bought direct from Colin Chapman and was used by Jim Clark. The car was bought by Tonio Hildebrand. After a short racing career it was sold in England by Frank Gardner. Does anybody has a clue. I have no ch.number Thanks, Olav Glasius |
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Re: New Member.
All:-
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I agree with Gary in all respect.? I'll just add that the 23c (and six is, we believe, the correct number produced) used the six-bolt wobbly-webs front and rear.? And I agree - it was and is ugly.
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Bill Steagall
Moderator/Registrar
Gary Horstkorta wrote: Jeff: |
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Re: New Member.
Gary Horstkorta
Jeff:
Good luck with your search for a 23. One of our club members (CSRG) recently sold his McLaren CanAm car and is also looking for a 23. There are several 23Bs in our club and rarely change hands. That must say something about how desireable these cars are or, how expensive it is to run a Mclaren! The 23C was the last of the 23s made and there were only about six of those I think. The only changes I know of were 1" wider wheels front and rear which required the covered rear wheel well body work to be cut out to allow clearance. Personally, I don't think they were as attractive as the 23 and 23B. Gary From: "Muttley Macclad" <jewilliams154@...> Reply-To: L23Registry@... To: L23Registry@... Subject: [L23Registry] New Member. Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 17:25:43 -0000 _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! |
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New Member.
Muttley Macclad
Hello everyone, I saw Don Stark's Lotus 23B on the web and through him
found the registry here. I am interested in buying a 23, or 23B (perhaps someone can explain to me what a 23C is), and have been for some time - I would like to run it in vintage racing - SOVRN or whatever. Should anyone know anyone who is starting to look at selling one please keep me in mind. At such a point perhaps consulting with someone here who knows what cars are floating around out there could happen. Thanks very much everyone! Jeff Williams |
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Anti Sway Bars
Don Stark
My Lotus 23B is pretty correct with the exception of the sway bars.
In my car the front and back bars are adjustable. That is, that at the end of the front bar, there is a link that can move in and out on the bar and is attached to the lower control arm with a rod & two heim joints. I found this out when I replaced the lower control arms in the front suspension and found that the new arms didn't have the little tabs to attach my sway bars to. Now I know that the car came with a sway bar but that it was not adjustable and ended in a ball that fit in a loop that was attached to the bottom of the upper ball joint. I assume that the rear arrangement was the same. Mine rear bar, again, ends with an adjustable link at the suspension. I am just asking to see if anyone else has this modification to their sway bars or if mine is unique? It is funny that when I first got the car, the front sway bar shifted left to right in the chassis where it is mounted rather than twist as it should. I fixed that which made the bar much more useful and adjustable and wondered how anyone could have lived with it shifting back and forth. Now I see that if the ends are located solidly in the suspension there is no need to locate the bar at the pivot points. So whoever made the front bar adjustable also made it so the bar couldn't work. It is amazing how much more sensitive the bar is now. Adjusting it actually does something. Were there any factory mods like this or is it more likely an upgrade that was made by one of my car's many owners? |
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