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[Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] tracing Marcin Chamot / Chamut

 

Hello Eve,

I suppose you can find everything about your grandpa here http://www.sybiracy.wckp.lodz.pl/jdzyra.html?
She writes about her neighbour Marcin Chamut of Wiktorówka, what suits to the data?
I don't know if you know Polish, but in short this is the story described by Józefa Dzyra for her grandchildren. It looks like she new your grandpa (just put Ctrl+F and enter Marcin Chamut). She writes that your grandpa is buried at the cemetery in Khanaqin. Currently this is the city in Iraq, where the war cemetery was (is?) You can find some pics of the cemetery in Internet because some time ago Polish Embassy from Baghdad was taking care about the place.

Best Regards
Pawel Kossowski


W dniu .03.2016 o 19:05 eve.marie123@... [Kresy-Siberia] pisze:



Hello again!

This time I'm trying to establish the fate of my grandfather, Marcin Chamot / Chamut who apparently disappeared before the family got to south Kazahhstan (via Vorkuta / Archnagelsk).

I have 4 records now which first show him as an osadnik in Wolyn with the rank of "bombardier",
then a deportation record for early March of 1940 which show him, his wife Anna, and his 3 sons:- Bolek, Jozef, and Henry and destined for northeast Archangelsk oblast (although apparently they actually went to Vorkuta instead) followed by another record which shows the family in southern Kazakhstan but now Marcin and Anna are missing and replaced by Maria, and finally another record, apparently based on information Bolek gave when enlisting in Ander's Army which shows Anna, Maria, Jozef, and Henryk with Bolek in the army and Marcin still missing.

It appears that grandfather Marcin either was diverted along the way or simply died somewhere along the way
but how I can find more information about his exact fate?

One possibility is that he was arrested and sent instead to Katyn since after the initial invasion they did arrest some retired Polish officers and sergeants although I'm not sure if Marcin would qualify.

It depends on what a "bombardier" was:- apparently this was a title for an artillery sergeant who would have directed a small artillery crew and been responsible for the nitty-gritty of moving them, positioning them, finding supplies for them, and firing the guns at the targets designated by an officer but it also might simply be a name assigned to any ordinary soldier who formed part of an artillery crew (ie what we would call a "gunner").

How can I establish if grandfather was sent to Katyn?

Another possibility was that he was diverted to the Far East to Magadan or to Kolyma and is there a way to check on that?

If he was not diverted to those places then it's most likely he died somewhere along the way between Kowel, Vorkuta / Archangelsk, south Kazakhstan, Tadzhikistan, and Ashgabat / Krasnovodsk:- are there any additional records which could offer more information about that possibility?

Thank you.







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Good research Pawel, finding a neighbour of Marin Chamut who spoke of him in her recollections. ?There is a lot of good detail at?

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Unfortunately, however, Marcin Chamut is not one of the 438 names listed as buried at Khanakin, neither are the other men that Pani Józefa Dzyra mentioned:?Wac?aw Papu?yński, Kazimierz Pa?ka, W?adys?aw Pa?ka, Jan Sosnal. Only her own father?Jan Stykowski is actually listed as buried there.

The full list of Polish soldiers buried in Khanakin Cemetery in Iraq is listed in our museum website at?

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Perhaps all of these men are buried elsewhere in the Middle East...?

Regards
Stefan Wisniowski
Sydney
 

Hello Stefan,

I know they are not on the list. I've checked that before the e-mail. But searching the things in the past I've learnt that if I don't have the confirmation about the issue I am not sure. Some time ago I've sent an e-mail to Polish Embassy in Teheran looking for the grave of my father god father and I got the answer that there are many NN graves on the cemeteries they were taking care. I've not been in Iraq but I can imagine there are/were such graves or even there were mass graves with no names.
I didn't find any of the other names also in the list of Polish soldiers died in exile between 1939 and 1946 published by Sikorski Institute in 1952, but are we really sure it is complete? For sure not, they have written in the document that some of the names could be missed and some changed.

Best Regards
Pawel Kossowski

W dniu .03.2016 o 06:05 stefan.wisniowski@... [Kresy-Siberia] pisze:



Good research Pawel, finding a neighbour of Marin Chamut who spoke of him in her recollections. ?There is a lot of good detail at?

??

Unfortunately, however, Marcin Chamut is not one of the 438 names listed as buried at Khanakin, neither are the other men that Pani Józefa Dzyra mentioned:?Wac?aw Papu?yński, Kazimierz Pa?ka, W?adys?aw Pa?ka, Jan Sosnal. Only her own father?Jan Stykowski is actually listed as buried there.

The full list of Polish soldiers buried in Khanakin Cemetery in Iraq is listed in our museum website at?

?

Perhaps all of these men are buried elsewhere in the Middle East...?

Regards
Stefan Wisniowski
Sydney






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U?ywam klienta poczty Opera Mail:

 

Hi Pawel,?

It does help when a name appears on an official list, but?of course you are correct, when there is no evidence, all we can say is "we are not sure - we do not know". ?

Thanks for your ongoing contributions!

Stefan Wi?niowski
Sydney?

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