Dear friends

You may have noticed that I have been less active on the group list in
recent weeks. I wanted to let you know that I am still here but have become
rather preoccupied with other issues such as family and business for a
while...

I also wanted to say how pleased I am with the leadership that many of you
have taken in my absence, and with the ongoing vitality of the group.
Clearly ANY group is only as strong as its members and I am pleased to say
that OUR group is strong indeed.

The question has been raised about the purpose of the group. Particularly,
is it a group to promote the Polish story of the 1939-45 war with the
Soviets in particular ? Or is it a general discussion group on wartime
behaviour - good and bad - also open to critical debate about the Polish
people and their conduct during the war...?

In reply I can quote the public objectives of the group:
"Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens
deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two."

The Kresy-Siberia Group brings into contact people from countries around the
world with a special interest in the tragedy of over 1 million Polish
citizens of various faiths and ethnicities from eastern Poland (the "Kresy",
or Borderlands) in 1940-41 who were killed, repressed or deported to
prisons, forced labour camps (GULAGs) and "special resettlements" in
Siberia, Kazakhstan and Soviet Asia.

I personally believe that understanding the truth is an important ingredient
in our mission - although defining objective truth in matters of human
conduct is in itself often a difficult if not impossible task. So certainly
we should be open to discussions and differences of opinion.

However, I note that the style and values of such debates is also important.
In our group especially, members strive to avoid disparaging or offending
other members - this is a friendly and supportive group with common goals
rather than a debating society. We are all trying to learn from each other,
not "score points". For this reason, members are also asked to avoid
commenting on current politics that could cause dissension between members,
especially those not on the topic of the history and fate of the deported
Polish citizens. In addition, prejudicial remarks of a religious or racial
nature are not tolerated.

Thank you and best wishes for 2004!

Stefan Wisniowski, Sydney
Group Moderator

PS perhaps the organisation of the German Expellees could be the best thing
to ever happen to the Kresy deportees, but only if we learn to use the
publicity and press for our purposes like everybody else does and use it to
tell the story of why all these Poles from the East happened to be in the
"Regained Lands".
...
Stefan Wisniowski

Hear, hear let's get back to the origins of the group.
I also haven't been very active as my business is taking up more of my time but will keep up with as many posts as I can.

Paul

Stefan Wisniowski writes:

Dear friends You may have noticed that I have been less active on the group list in
recent weeks. I wanted to let you know that I am still here but have become
rather preoccupied with other issues such as family and business for a
while... I also wanted to say how pleased I am with the leadership that many of you
have taken in my absence, and with the ongoing vitality of the group.
Clearly ANY group is only as strong as its members and I am pleased to say
that OUR group is strong indeed. The question has been raised about the purpose of the group. Particularly,
is it a group to promote the Polish story of the 1939-45 war with the
Soviets in particular ? Or is it a general discussion group on wartime
behaviour - good and bad - also open to critical debate about the Polish
people and their conduct during the war...? In reply I can quote the public objectives of the group:
"Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens
deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two." The Kresy-Siberia Group brings into contact people from countries around the
world with a special interest in the tragedy of over 1 million Polish
citizens of various faiths and ethnicities from eastern Poland (the "Kresy",
or Borderlands) in 1940-41 who were killed, repressed or deported to
prisons, forced labour camps (GULAGs) and "special resettlements" in
Siberia, Kazakhstan and Soviet Asia. I personally believe that understanding the truth is an important ingredient
in our mission - although defining objective truth in matters of human
conduct is in itself often a difficult if not impossible task. So certainly
we should be open to discussions and differences of opinion. However, I note that the style and values of such debates is also important.
In our group especially, members strive to avoid disparaging or offending
other members - this is a friendly and supportive group with common goals
rather than a debating society. We are all trying to learn from each other,
not "score points". For this reason, members are also asked to avoid
commenting on current politics that could cause dissension between members,
especially those not on the topic of the history and fate of the deported
Polish citizens. In addition, prejudicial remarks of a religious or racial
nature are not tolerated. Thank you and best wishes for 2004! Stefan Wisniowski, Sydney
Group Moderator PS perhaps the organisation of the German Expellees could be the best thing
to ever happen to the Kresy deportees, but only if we learn to use the
publicity and press for our purposes like everybody else does and use it to
tell the story of why all these Poles from the East happened to be in the
"Regained Lands".
...
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Should we not follow our moderator's call and not try to score
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Bert Bakker
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Points??????

I'm just expressing my opinion
I take it that it's allowed?

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I ran across the following today. I realize that it is a little dated but I
suggest that we review it.
I will not comment on this in the future but we are faced always with
pressure to give.
My point is when will the US (in this case) give to those (Poland and
others) it sold down the river?
Note this is as of 2001 not 60 years ago.

Congressman
Gary Ackerman
5th District - New York
Queens, Nassau, Suffolk


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ACKERMAN'S STATEMENT ON POLISH HOLOCAUST ASSETS

Statement of the Honorable Gary L. Ackerman
before the Assembly Standing Committee on State-Federal Relations and the
Assembly Standing Committee on Judiciary

March 22, 2001

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Chairman, Madame Chairwoman, Members of the Committees,

It is privilege for me to appear before you today to discuss the actions of
the Government of Poland concerning the restitution of Holocaust-era assets.
Like yourselves, I am deeply concerned about this issue, which affects so
many of my own constituents, as well as survivors throughout New York and
the entire United States.

The basic question before us is: What can be done at the state and federal
levels to provide incentives for the Government of Poland to do the right
thing; which is , to adopt a property restitution and reprivatization law,
on a timely basis, that allows Holocaust survivors and their decedents to
either receive fair compensation or the prompt return of their rightful
assets-especially for those assets held by the Republic of Poland itself.

One principle that must be borne in mind throughout consideration of this
issue: Restitution of assets is a fundamental human right. Justice is not a
unique desire of Jews, or ofHolocaust survivors. Poland has an indisputable
moral obligation to provide compensation and to return property, not because
the owners are Jews, or were victims of persecution and genocide, but
because the protection of property rights is a basic obligation for all
civilized governments. If governments do not protect property, if they do
not conscientiously and assiduously provide restitution when assets are
unjustly seized, then they become accomplices to those wrongs. In this case,
they become, in effect, indirect agents of the Nazis.

The Polish National Assembly, the legislative branch of the Polish
government, has unfortunately a made satisfactory resolution of this issue
considerably more difficult. Only about a week ago, a law was sent to Polish
President Aleksander Kwasniewski that would provide no restitution at all
for many claimants. Whether this was done out of avarice, ignorance, or
stinginess, I can't say. What is clear, however, is that the legislation
approved by both the Sejm (the lower house) and the Senate (the upper house)
would effectively preclude thousands of wronged families and individuals
from recovering property first stripped from them by the Nazis, then seized
by the Communists, and now held by a recalcitrant Polish state.

The question of reprivatization is not of concern only to the community of
Polish Holocaust survivors. Current estimates suggest as many as 170,000
former property owners, and their heirs, are waiting for proper restitution
legislation. But in the campaign for justice for all of these wronged
parties, it is imperative that the rights and interests of Poland's
Holocaust survivors, and their families, not be in anyway
disadvantaged-which, unfortunately, appears to be exactly what is occurring
today.

The property law that has been presented to President Kwasniewski is a
disgrace. The act requires, as a prerequisite for compensation or recovery,
that the claimant possess Polish citizenship, either at the time the
property was seized, or for heirs, as of December 31, 1999. This provision
is an undisguised effort to cut off the right of Holocaust survivors and
their families-people who fled from genocide and a Polish state rife with
violent anti-Semitism-to recover their own property. And it is their
property that is at question. It is incomprehensible that Holocaust
survivors, and their rightful heirs, should be arbitrarily disenfranchised
by the law. Fleeing from genocide should hardly be considered a reason to
overturn legitimate property rights.

The act also unfairly limits the circle of heirs, blocking restitution of
property from rightful inheritors, especially for families decimated by the
Nazis. Demanding that survivors or their heirs prove the deaths of all other
possible inheritors is thinly veiled effort to utilize the thorough
destruction of Polish Jewry to avoid moral obligations. Asking people to
substantiate the incineration of their relatives by the Nazis as
pre-condition to restitution of family assets and property is at best
mean-spirited. More reasonably, it could be described as perverse.

Finally, the law would allow restitution of only 50 percent of the value of
assets, and then, only in the form of Polish government bonds, some payable
only after 10 more years. I have no problem with the Polish National
Assembly taking into account Poland's economy and their government's fiscal
stability. As a federal legislator, I have a deep appreciation of these
factors as unavoidable components in making national decisions about funding
entitlements. But restitution of property is an entitlement, and one which
Poland is faced with as surely as their debts to international creditors.

Difficulty making repayments is understandable, and can typically be
resolved through reasonable negotiations. Outright rejection of obligations,
however, is not understandable, and is an assault on the spirit of
compromise. The high-handed effort to eliminate half the obligations of the
Government of Poland is not just a clever bit of accounting, it is also a
grave decision to write off a moral imperative in the hope that boldness can
substitute for integrity. As we all know, it can't.

Alternatives and ameliorative amendments to the law that was adopted were
considered, debated, and rejected by a coalition of the left and the right.
What remains now is an opportunity for President Kwasniewski to protect
Poland's honor as a state, and Poland's reputation in the international
community, by vetoing this awful legislation.

I take no pleasure in saying that Poland's continued integration in the
Atlantic alliance and Warsaw's entry into the European Union will be
jeopardized by the failure to suitably address the issue of restitution.
With the exception of Belarus and Ukraine, every post-Communist country in
Europe has taken notable steps to provide restitution. As a leading
post-Communist state, Poland's example is critical for similarly situated
countries in Europe. Warsaw's failure to adopt legislation providing fair
compensation of legitimate claims will hurt the Polish government's standing
with the Polish people, who overwhelmingly favor a robust reprivatization
law, and with the community of nations, who expect Warsaw to pay its
historic moral debts.

The United States, as the preeminent international leader, has an
unmistakable obligation to raise this issue forcefully with Poland, a nation
with which America wants to have a warm and close relationship. The question
of restitution, however, is not one of concern only to Poland. The United
States, and our own state of New York in particular, have become the home
for thousands of former Poles, many of them Jews who fled the nightmare of
genocide in the 1940s. Protecting their rights and their interests is our
clear obligation.

Many of these individuals are aging, adding additional urgency to our
efforts. In the last Congress, as a senior Member of the House International
Relations Committee, I asked for hearings in the full Committee to review
this issue. I was told the time wasn't right; that the Polish Government was
taking steps to resolve the issue fairly; that public attention would hurt
the interests of survivors. It is now clear that public attention is the
only the thing that will protect the interest of survivors, and I commend
Speaker Silver and Chairman Klein and Chairwoman Weinstein for scheduling
this hearing.

I am again asking the Chairman of the House International Relations
Committee to schedule hearings on this critical issue, and I have asked all
of my colleagues in the House of Representatives to join me in this request.
On the International Relations Committee, I will be raising this issue with
the Polish Ambassador and with high-level officials in the Executive Branch.
Depending on the decision made by President Kwasniewski, other steps may be
contemplated by the United States Congress.

As a new member of NATO, Poland's health and prosperity is of considerable
concern to the United States. But before interests come obligations. Poland'
s obligation is to meet the legitimate claims of Holocaust survivors and
their heirs, regardless of nationality, in a fair and thorough manner. Our
obligation is to continue to work for the interests of our constituents and
their quest for justice.

Julek

On a different subject,
I am not sure if we have received the following in the past so I would like
to share it with all.

Julek

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

April 4, 2003

Kanjorski Presents Polish Ambassador with Record of Katyn Massacre
Investigation

Massacre First Disclosed 60 Years Ago; Record Unavailable in Poland until
Now

Washington, DC - Congressman Paul E. Kanjorski (PA-11) today presented
Poland's Ambassador to the United States with a copy of the 2,300-page
published record of a select Congressional committee's investigation of the
Katyn Forest massacre during World War II. The massacre of thousands of
leading Polish citizens by Soviet troops was first disclosed in April 1943,
but the Soviet government denied responsibility until after the Cold War
ended.

The select Congressional committee, which included then-Congressman Daniel
J. Flood of Wilkes-Barre, investigated the massacre in 1951 and 1952, but
until now the record of its investigation has been not available anywhere in
Poland.

At the request of the Polish government, Congressman Kanjorski arranged for
the Library of Congress to provide Poland with a copy of the documents. Many
experts believe the committee's record is the most comprehensive body of
record ever assembled on this subject.

"As we observe the anniversary of the discovery of this tragedy, let us hope
and pray that humanity is spared such tragedies in the future," Congressman
Kanjorski said.

Congressman Kanjorski and Polish Ambassador Przemyslaw Grudzinski were
joined at the presentation by Dr. James Billington, the Librarian of
Congress, and Allen Paul, author of the book KATYN: Stalin's Massacre and
the Seeds of Polish Resurrection. Mr. Paul will transport the records to
Poland and present them on April 12 to the Polish Government Council on War
Archives, Public Monuments and Historic Sites.

Several speakers at the presentation in Washington noted the longstanding
friendship between Poland and the United States, dating back to the time of
Thaddeus Kosciuszko, a Polish military engineer who was one of the first
foreign volunteers to assist the American Revolution.

BELOW: Remarks by Congressman Kanjorski (three pages) which are being
inserted into the Congressional Record.

Congressional Record - Extension of Remarks

Hon. Paul E. Kanjorski

Transmittal of Important Congressional Records to Poland

Mr. Speaker, today I wish to direct the attention of the House of
Representatives to a sad anniversary. Almost 60 years ago, on April 13,
1943, Americans awoke to a startling announcement from Radio Berlin: the
disclosure that thousands of bodies of Polish officers had been found by the
Germans in a remote wood near the Dneiper River called Katyn Forest. These
men had been captured in the fall of 1939 by the Red Army and executed the
following spring by the NKVD which later became the KGB. Until the German
discovery all trace of these men had disappeared.

The German discovery put tremendous strain on the western alliance from the
moment it was announced. Our mortal enemy had accused the Soviet Union, a
great ally who had just defeated the Wehrmacht at Stalingrad, of the
unspeakable crime of murdering prisoners of war. For many in the West, it
appeared to be a cheap propaganda stunt by Joseph Goebbels. Perhaps the
Germans had murdered the Poles and were merely covering their tracks by
blaming the crime on the Soviets. But as more and more facts were collected,
it became abundantly clear that the Russians, not the Germans, had the blood
of the Poles on their hands.

Over the next two years the governments of the United States and Great
Britain took great pains to hold together the Alliance with the Soviet Union
and downplayed Soviet responsibility for the murders in Katyn Forest and at
two other sites that took the lives of more than 14,000 Polish officers.
Eyewitness reports that should have been made public were classified top
secret and subsequently disappeared. An Ambassador to the Balkans was
forbidden to disclose incriminating documents and photographs. Polish
broadcasters were censored by the Office of War Information.

Finally, between September, 1951 and December, 1952, a Select Committee of
the U.S Congress stepped in to investigate this horrible crime. This
committee held hearings in six cities and four countries, received testimony
from 81 witnesses and took depositions from another 100 who could not appear
in person. Its published report of 2,162 pages filled seven volumes. In many
ways, this investigation was Congress at its best. It meticulously assembled
a body of fact that left no doubt about its principal conclusions: first,
that the Soviets were guilty; and second, that the State Department and Army
Intelligence (G-2) had engaged in a determined effort to shield the American
people from the truth.

I recently learned that the seven-volume published record of the Select
Committee to investigate the Katyn Forest massacre is not available anywhere
in Poland. At the request of the Polish Government, I have arranged to
provide Poland with a copy of this record which most experts believe is the
most comprehensive body of record ever assembled on this subject. I would
like to thank the Librarian of Congress, Dr. James H. Billington, and his
fine staff for their extensive cooperation and assistance in this matter.

On Friday, I will present this document to Ambassador Przemyslaw Grudzinski,
who will accept it on behalf of the Polish government. These records will
then travel to Poland with Mr. Allen Paul, an American author whose book,
KATYN: Stalin's Massacre and the Seeds of Polish Resurrection, provides a
comprehensive overview of the crime and the context in which it occurred.
Mr. Paul's book has recently been translated into Polish and will be
released at an event in Warsaw on April 12. He will place the hearing record
at that time, in my behalf, in the hands of Mr. Andrzej Przewoznik,
Secretary General of the Polish Government Council on War Archives, Public
Monuments and Historic Sites.

It is to be hoped that the record established by the Select Committee will
aid public officials, historians and many others in efforts to understand
the terrible crime of Katyn and its continuing impact on Russo-Polish
relations. I am including with this statement some excerpts of Mr. Paul's
reflections on the importance and scope of the select committee which will
be delivered on April 12 in Warsaw at a Conference on the 60th Anniversary
of Disclosure of the Katyn Forest Massacre.

Mr. Speaker, as we observe the anniversary of the discovery of this
tragedy, let us hope and pray that humanity is spared such tragedies in the
future.

- - -

Thoughts about the Congressional Investigation of Katyn

Excerpts of Warsaw Seminar Remarks by Allen Paul

April 12, 2003

At this moment we are only a few hours away from the sixtieth anniversary of
Radio Berlin's sensational announcement that the Wehrmacht had found the
bodies of thousands Polish officers in Katyn Forest who had been "bestially
murdered by the Bolsheviks." Fresh from their catastrophic defeat at
Stalingrad, the Germans were eager to divert the world's attention from the
pierced veil of Wehrmacht invincibility, and they correctly surmised that
this, too, was a golden opportunity to sow seeds of discord in the Western
Alliance. At that moment the victims - men who had served Poland faithfully,
in fact one might say, valiantly, men who represented the present and future
leadership of their nation, fathers and husbands, physicians and engineers,
professional soldiers and shopkeepers, unfortunate souls placed by an unkind
fate in Soviet hands, prisoners of war who were not recognized as POWs by
their captors - from the moment the news crackled over the airwaves from
Berlin, these tragic victims became geopolitical pawns and would remain so
for years to come.

. Amidst all the atrocities of World War Two why have the crimes commonly
referred to as the Katyn Forest Massacre been so enduring? Poland's feisty
wartime Ambassador to the Soviet Union, Stanislaw Kot, proved to be eerily
prophetic on this issue. In 1941, exasperated by continued stonewalling by
the Soviet government on the case of his country's missing soldiers Kot
said, "People are not like steam. They cannot evaporate." More than 60 years
later, we are still thinking, writing and debating the facts of the case
because, I suspect, it provides such a powerful mirror into the human soul.

Let me turn now to one of the great milestones on the arduous path to truth
about the terrible murders in Katyn Forest, that being the work of what was
officially called "The Select Committee to Conduct an Investigation and
Study of the Facts, Evidence and Circumstances on the Katyn Forest
Massacre."

On September 18, 1951 the United States Congress authorized what would
become the most comprehensive neutral investigation of this crime ever
undertaken. It followed by five years an abortive attempt to address this
darkest of tragedies at the Nuremberg trials. That charade collapsed under
the sheer weight of Soviet prosecutorial ineptitude. In 1948 the Poles
themselves - through their London-based government-in-exile - completed
their own investigation and published it as, The Crime of Katyn: Facts and
Documents. It was the most complete record of the crime at the time but it
was far from what the Poles had hoped for: a high profile, independent
investigation and trial to prove once and for all that the Soviets - not the
Germans - were responsible for these brutal murders.

In their conclusion to the 1948 report, the Poles had emphasized Roman-law
canon: i.e. "nobody can be judge in his own case." The Soviets had attempted
with disastrous effect to judge their own case at Nuremberg. The Poles knew
that they, no more than the Soviets, could judge this case, thus they called
for an international tribunal to affix guilt and mete out punishment.

In a sense the investigation sponsored by the U.S. Congress vindicated the
Poles' findings in 1948. The congressional investigation lasted from
September 18, 1951 to December 22, 1952. It resulted in hearings in six
cities and four countries; 81 witnesses were heard; and private depositions
were taken from 100 individuals, most of whom required anonymity to protect
relatives still in Poland. The final report of 2,162 pages filled seven
volumes. After all was said and done, the Select Committee of Congress
concluded, just as the Polish Government-in-Exile had four years earlier,
that an international tribunal, in this case the new United Nations
International Court Justice, should investigate the crime.

This similarity of findings in no way diminishes the scope and importance of
the congressional investigation. Once and for all it put the United States
clearly on the side of the truth in this case and that was no small
accomplishment. The committee clearly, meticulously and, I would say,
courageously documented U.S. concealment of Soviet guilt and its de facto
pursuit of an ends justifies the means policy.

. Like the recommendations of the Polish government-in-exile in 1948, the
recommendations of the Select Committee of Congress were never acted on.
During the war geopolitical realities - principally the fear that the
Soviets would sign a separate peace with Germany - stood squarely in the
way. After the war geopolitical realities - the fact that the Soviets could
block action at the United Nations - continued to stand squarely in the way.

. The words of Sir Owen O'Malley and Ambassador Stanislaw Kot ring just true
today as the day they were uttered. Kot told us in 1941, "People are not
like steam. They cannot evaporate." Kot would tell us today that the quest
for justice for Poland's officers and deportees will inevitably continue.
And surely O'Malley would tell us that justice, if found nowhere else, must
be found in our own hearts.

-End-

TO ALL:
I FOUND THIS ON THE SITE LISTED BELOW. I AM NOT SURE HOW COMPLETE IT IS.
All who are part of the Tengeru refugees please review and advise if this
list is complete.
More information cane be accessed from the below site also.
Julek



Tengeru, Tanganyika
ADAMSKA Stanislawa
Danuta
ALTER Czeslawa
Jerzy
WONDRAUSCH Stanislaw
ANISKO Janina
ARCHUCICZ Sergiusz
HROWICZ Franciszek
Anna
Maria
Zbigniew
Halina
ASTAPCZYK Jozefa
Henryk
Pelagia
Czeslaw
ATROSZKO Zofia
Czeslawa
BAGINSKA Waleria
Wladyslawa
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BAJCR Rozalia
Franciszek
BANASIK Adam
Agrypina
Mieczyslaw
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Barbara
Andrzej
BARNAS Wladyslaw
Stafania
MICZKO Weronika
Teresa
BAUNWOL Henryk
Jochwet
Marek
Felicja
BAZUKINWICZ Josef
Janina
Ryszard
Zdzislawa
BEJKO Jerzy
Zofia
PIEKARSKA Anna
BELCZACKA Felicja
Stefania
BERKOWSKA Teodozja
Zuzanna
BIELAWSKA Tekla
Stanislaw
BIERNACKI Piotr
Stanislawa
Stanislawa
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Euginia
Andrzej
Krzysztof
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Stefania
CHARCZUK Leokadia
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Marianna
Janina
Mieczslaw
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Stanislaw
Eugeniusz
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Maria
Krystyna
Alicja
BOCHENEK Karolina
Maria
Tadeusz
Kazimierz
BOLANOWSKI Tadeuz
Kazimiera
Maria
Bogumila
BORAWSKA Maria
Krystyna
BORKOWSKI Aleksander
Maria
Jan
BORODAKO Jan
Maria
Piotr
BREJNAK Janina
Barbara
Boguslaw
Dorota
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Jadwiga
Jozef
Jan
Teresa
Helena
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Aleksandra
Stefania
Antoni
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Zofia
Jadwiga
Maria
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Helena
Wladyslawa
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Maria
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Klara
Krzysztof
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Anna
Daria
Mieczyslawa
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Julian
Ludmila
Jadwiga
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Tadeusz
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Krystyna
Bogumila
CZARNY Roman
Franciszka
NADGORSKI Wiktor
Zofia
CZECZOT Weronika
Czeslawa
Edwarda
Urszula
CZEKALOWSKA Roberta
Halina
Edmund
Genowefa
Regina
CZERNIK Stefan
Maria
Zofia
Antonina
CZERW Wladyslaw
CZUBEK Maria
Roman
DABROWSKA Maria
Alfreda
Jadwiga
Alina
DABROWSKA Jozefa
Bonifacy
Zygmunt
Irena
DABROWSKA Waleria
Marian
Wanda
Zdzislaw
DANILKOWICZ Olga
Jan
DOBROWOLSKI Konstanty
Klaudia
Alfred
Stanislaw
Zbigniew
Tadeusz
DOBROWOLSKA Maria
Kazimierza
Aleksander
Czeslaw
DOLEGA Zofia
Jan
Janina
DOLEZYK Jadwiga
Krystyna
DOMADEJ Anna
DOMINO Mikolaj
DRALUS Teofila
Maria
Michal
DROZD Wladyslaw
DRZAL Aniela
Alojzy
DYKTYNSKA Maria
Miroslaw
Ryszard
EKSANOW Omar
ELIAS Mauryew
Lucilla
SZEWOZUL Aleksandra
KOWICZ Tatiana
FORSZTADT lzrael
Maria
Barbara
Alicja
GALANTA Leokadia
Ryzsard
GALLAS Zofia
Rozalia
Maria
Jan
Secylia
GAWLIK Anna
KOCZOCIK Anna
GAWRONSKA Zofia
Zbigniew
Regina
Henryk
GLENKO Irene
Krystyna
GLOWACKA Stanislawa
Irena
GODZISZ Honorata
Maria
Danuta
GRABINSKI Mieczyslaw
GRUBI Maria
Wlastymir
Aldona
Katarzyna
GRUCZYK Jozef
Maria
GRUSZKA Stanislaw
Jozefa
Tadeusz
Jerzy
GRYGIENCZA Maria
Jadwiga
GRYGORCEWICZ Albert
Czeslawa
Jerzy
GRYGUK Aleksy
Euginia
Jan
Wladyslaw
Renata
GRZESIK Jozef
HAJDUK Antonina
HELON Emilia
Lidia
HOLUB Jozef
Leonarda
Zenon
Krystyna
Olimpia
Jozef
Wiktor
HORBACZEWSKA Alicja
Barbara
HORBACZEWSKA Michalina
Olimpia
HORKY Wilhelm
Irena
Wojciech
JACYNA Katarzyna
JABLONSKA Jozefa
Alicja
Janina
Marian
JABLONSKA Anna
Jozefa
Danuta
Karolina
JAGIELNICKA Olga
Kazimierz
Irena
JAKIM Janina
JANCZEWSKA Maria
Ludwika
Irena
Leon
JANKOWSKA Aniela
Stanislaw
Alicja
Boguslawa
JANKOWSKA Marta
Henryk
Zofia
Ludomila
Marta
JANUSZKIEWICZ Michal
Anna
Jan
Stanislaw
JARNICKI Wladyslaw
Bronislawa
Marian
Jan
JASKOLA Franciszka
Klementyna
Lucjan
Julian
JAWORSKA Halena
Eugeniusz
Teresa
JEWIARZ Katarzyna
Helena
Maria
JOZWIAK Marta
Franciszka
KAMINSKA Maria
Bronislawa
Julia
KAMINSKI Romuald
Weronika
Anna
Zofia
Jozef
Teresa
KAPA Waclaw
KARSZEWSKI Henryk
Teresa
Zdzislaw
KASPRZYK Malwina
Irena
Jan
Feliks
KICHNER Jerzy
KITEL Barbara
KLYSZ Antoni
Regina
Zdzislaw
Stanislaw
KOBYLANSKI Stanislaw
Stanislawa
Zbigniew
KOJDER Wladyslawa
Krystyna
Halina
KOMIAGO Florian
KORNICKA Maria
Anna
Stefania
KOSIBA Zygmunt
Stefania
Barbara
Zenon
KOT Aleksandra
Jadwiga
Lucyna
KOTARA Helena
Henryk
KOWALCZYK Anna
Janina
Albina
KOWALEWICZ Pawel
Teodczja
Stefan
KOZLOWSKA Karolina
Stanislawa
Antoni
KREPSKI Julian
Ewelina Olga
IWANCZENKO Michal
Olga
KRUC Zofia
Danuta
KRUPA Alojzy
Julia
Teresa
KRUSZELNICKI Marian
Katarzyna
Irena
KRUSZELNICKI Edmund
KRZYCZKOWSKI Kazimierz
KOCZWARA Paulina
Czeslawa
Wanda
Kazimiera
Bronislawa
Krzysztof
Eugeniusz
KUBINSKI Kazimierz
Kazimiera
Zbigniew
KUK Teresa
Kuklis
Boleslaw
Katarzyna
Wanda
Boleslaw
KURIATA Jan
Helina
Bronislaw
KURIATA Paulina
Kazimierz
Edward
KWAPISZ Apolonia
Lucja
KWIATKOWSKA Irena
Janina
KWIATKOWSKI Stanislaw
KWIATKOWSKA Maria
MASLOWSKA Irena
LACHOWIECKI Eugeniusz
Michalina
ISKRA Edward
Jan
LANCUCKA Helena
Krzysztof
LENTAS Celina
Danuta
Mieczyslawa
LESZCZYNSKA Rozalia
Stanislaw
Barbara
LEWKIEWICZ Lucja
Teresa
LITYNSKA Irena
Witold
Teresa
LOZA Anna
Tadeusz
LUGOWSKI Stanislaw
LUKASIK Lucyna
Wlodzimierz
LUKOWSKI Franciszek
Marianna
Jadwiga
Czeslaw
MACKIEWICZ Irena
Stanislawa
Stefan
Ryszard
MADRY Jan
Anna
Czeslawa
Genowefa
Stanislaw
MAJDA Anna
Wladyslaw
Kazimierz
MAJLWSKI Ignacy
Eugenia
Robert
Jozef
MAJEWSKA Cecylia
Czeslaw
MAKOWIECKI Helena
Kazimierz
MALISZEWSKA Jadwiga
Zofia
MALYSZKO Paulina
Michal
Jozefa
MAZAK Violetta
Jerzy
KRANSKA Fabiola
MAZIEC Helena
Urszula
Julia
Irena
Helena
MAZUR Wanda
Stanislaw
MIAZGA Helena
Lucyna
MICHALSKA Kazimiera
Urszula
Tadeusz
MILEK Janina
MOGIELNICKI Henryk
Janina
MOLEK Czeslaw
MORAWIEC Karolina
Jadwiga
Stanislaw
Tadeusz
MOSKAL Maria
Julia
Edmund
MROZOWSKA Emilia
Janina
NAGORSKI Jan
Weronika
Lucja
NIEWIARKOWICZ Walenty
Zofia
Walenty
NOWAK Jan
Bronislawa
Zofia
Stanislawa
KASA Maria
NOWAK-SCHUSTER Maria
Mieczyslawa
OBARZANOWSKA Eugenia
Kamila
OLSZEWSKA Antonina
Mikolaj
OLSZEWSKA Teodozja
Halina
ORCZAKOWSKA Czeslawa
OSIPIUK Felicja
Alicja
OSSOLINSKI Kazimierz
Stanislawa
Zbigniew
Janina
Jerzy
GONCZAKOWSKA Jadwiga
OWCZAREK Krystyna
OUTH-AUT Wladyslaw
Weronika
Maria
PABIAN Stefania
Jozef
Janina
PACIA Marcan
Bronislawa
Janina
Jozefa
PAPADOPOFF Nico
Aurelia
Nicolas
Aleksander
PASZNICKI Stanislaw
Stanislawa
Zygmunt
Jan
Zenon
PATER Maria
Halina
Katarzyna
PATRO Maria
Zbigniew
PAWLOWSKI Feliks
Krystyna
Stefan
Jerzy
PIATKOWSKI Zygmunt
Olga
Olga
PIETKIEWICZ Maria
PIETRAS Stanislawa
Wladyslaw
PIOTROWICZ Mieczyslaw
PIOTROWSKA Tekla
Wladyslaw
Aniela
PLATER Grzegorz
Babajko
Marta
Maria
PODGORSKA Anna
Bronislawa
PLODOWSKA Emilia
Alicja
PODOLSKA Maria
Mieczyslaw
Agata
POLAKIEWICZ Maria
Henryka
Alfons
POLANSKA Maria
Emilia
Wladyslaw
POLANSKA Zofia
Franciszka
POZERSKA Aleksandra
Teresa
PRASALOWSKA Wanda
Aniela
Krystyna
Zdzislaw
PREWYSZ-KWINTO Janina
Hanna
PRZEWLOCKA Maria
Danuta
Ryszard
PTASZYNSKI Edward
Jadwiga
Krystyna
Teodozja
RADIONOW Ksenia
Taisa
RAJCHERT Jozefa
Kazimierz
Maria
RAJZER Emilia
Maria
RAKOCZY Adela
Bronislawa
REICH Rozalia
REWAJ Anna
Zdzislawa
Aleksandra
RODAK Teodora
ROGALSKA Maria
Czeslawa
Stanislawa
ROMASZ Maria
Leokadia
Aleksander
Lucjan
ROZA Wadia
Helena
Henryk
Tadeusz
JARECKA Tekla
RUB Eugenia
RUB Tomasz
Halina
RUDNICKA Maria
Stanislawa
RUPA Olga
Maria
Danuta
RYCZEWSKA Maria
Alicja
Irena
RYMASZEWSKA Stanislawa
Wanda
SAMELKO Kazimierz
SENDZIUK Stanislaw
Karol
Helena
STOLARZ Jan
Krystyna
SENIUS Stefania
Bronislaw
Czeslaw
SIDORUK Eudokia
Stefan
Lew
Eugeniusz
SIEROCIAK Jan
Stanislawa
Lechoslaw
Halina
Marian
Roman
SIKORA Franciszek
Janina
SIMANKOWICZ Stefan
SKALSKI Pawel
Stefania
Piotr
Anna
Boleslaw
SIWEK Anna
Jan
SKOPALUK Antonina
Kazimierz
Cecylia
Waldemar
Danuta
SKWAREK Helena
Zofia
SLACZKA Eugenia
Jolanta
SLEPIKOWSKI Leon
Jan
SZYMAN Maria
Bazyli
SLIWA Bronislawa
Maria
Jozef
SLODKI Jan
Francjszka
Irena
SMENDA Wladyslawa
Janusz
Teresa
SOBCZYK Maria
SOBOCINSKA Felicja
SOKOLOWSKA Maria
Ryszard
SOKOLOWSKA Emilia
Jan
Helena
SOKOLOWSKA Maria
Janina
Wanda
Urszula
Franciszek
Jadwiga
SORBIAN Michalina
Bronislawa
Maria
Halina
SOSNOWSKA Maria
Kazimierz
SOSZYNSKA Aleksandra
Adam
Babina
SROCZEK Stanislawa
Antoni
Maria
STEC Jan
STEC Stefania
Franciszek
Genowefa
Paulina
Bronislaw
Weronika
STEPIK Olga
Jerzy
SUCHNICKA Ligia
Krystyna
SUCHODOLSKI Jan
Czeslawa
Halina
Jerzy
WOSINSKA Agnieszka
SUDOMLAK Aleksandra
Teofil
Grzegorz
SWIOUNOWICZ Ksenia
Leon
Anna
SZAPRINA Katarzyna
Tamara
Irena
Zofia
SZCZEPANIK Anna
Jan
Wladyslaw
SZEWCZENKO Bazyli
Helena
Arkadiusz
SZEWCZENKO Halina
Zofia
Weronika
Janina
SZUBA Stefania
KOBIENSKI Witold
SZUNEJKO Magdalena
Ryszard
Irena
TCHORZEWSKI Franciszek
TLUCZEK Jozef
Stefania
Antonina
Janina
TORCZYLO Lida
Raisa
TRELA Aleksandra
Danuta
Wieslawa
TROKUNOWICZ Bronislawa
Franciszek
Teresa
TRUSZKOWSKA Eugenia
Eleonora
Janusz
UMANSKI Feliks
Janina
Alicja
Ryszard
Irena
WAJSMAN Ajzik
Eugenia
Boruch
WALKOWIECKI Pawel
Marta
Katarzyna
Karolina
Waleria
Honrata
Leonarda
WARCHAL Zofia
Michalina
WARCHOL Janina
Janusz
WARDYNSKI Wladyslaw
Janina
Maria
WARENIK Jozef
WASILEWSKA Aleksandra
Maria
WASIUN Feliks
Magdalena
Janina
Jerzy
WEGLOWSKI Henryk
Halina
Krystyna
WOJCICKI Slawomir
WICHEREK Zofia
Jan
WIERCINSKI Teodor
Maria
Jan
Tadeusz
WIERZBOWSKA Janina
Jan
WILAND Maria
Ryszard
Wladyslawa
WILK Rozalia
Barbara
Zbigniew
Irena
WITON Maria
Jan
WOJNO Wladyslaw
SOBIK Marta
Alfred
Jerzy
WOJTOWICZ Zofia
Mieczyslawa
Edward
WOLAN Zofia
Jadwiga
WOLANSKI Wladyslaw
Janina
Zdzislawa
Edward
Czeslaw
BALUSZEK Maria
WOLKOWIECKA Stanislawa
Halina
WOLKOWIECKI Wladyslaw
WOZNIAK Jadwiga
Maria
Irena
WOZNIAK Stanislawa
Leokadia
Irena
WRABEL Olga
Leslaw
ZABOROWSKA Maria
Anna
Jadwiga
ZABORSKI Tomasz
Genowefa
Jadwiga
Paulina
ZAPLETAL Tadeusz
Janina
Joanna
Zbigniew
ZARZYCKA Aniela
Ryszard
Irena
ZAWISTOWSKA Julia
Danuta
Irena
ZDZIEJOWSKI Marian
Danuta
KARAS Jadwiga
Alicja
ZEBROWSKA Wladyslawa
Zofia
Zenon
Teresa
ZIELINSKA Eufrozyna
Anna
ZIMLICKA Helena
Zofia
Halina
ZIMOLEZYNSKI Tomasz
Czeslawa
DOMANSKI Zbigniew
ZUK Teodor
ZUKOWSKA Aniela
Irena
Marianna
Halina
ZUKOWSKA Genowefa
Irena
ZWIERZYNSKA Marta
POLAK Teresa
ZWOLINSKA Helena
Krystyna
Franciszka
ZYZNIEWSKA Bronislawa
Zofia
Helena
KRYSTYNSKA Ludwika
Stanislawa
WAWRYNKIEWICZ Edward
Czeslawa
Roman
TOMASZ Wlodzmierz

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Hi Julek

I've just read your list. To agree with others, The Fedorowicz family
is missing so perhaps this is just a list of those who went to
Australia

Dianne

In Kresy-Siberia@..., "Julian S. Plowy"
<julian_plowy@e...> wrote:

TO ALL:
I FOUND THIS ON THE SITE LISTED BELOW. I AM NOT SURE HOW COMPLETE

IT IS.

All who are part of the Tengeru refugees please review and advise

if this

list is complete.
More information cane be accessed from the below site also.
Julek



Tengeru, Tanganyika
ADAMSKA Stanislawa
Danuta
ALTER Czeslawa
Jerzy
WONDRAUSCH Stanislaw
ANISKO Janina
ARCHUCICZ Sergiusz
HROWICZ Franciszek

Hi Julek,

Fascinitating piece of information.

Do you know what, if anything, is being done with the report now it has been
handed over to Poland? What happens/is happening now?
Is there to be any hearing/enquiry where the Russians can be brought to
account? The report was finished in 1952 and nothing further appears to have
happened until last year. Is it possible for members in the U.S. to lobby
Congressman Kanjorski to provide a report?

Regards, Ken Fedzin. England.

Ken,

Many historical facts were or are in error or are hidden or forgotten, AS
with many historical facts I don't think anything is being done to change
things. It seems that nothing is ever done to correct much of the Polish
mis-information.

"Others" form a strong group which speaks up and keeps pushing until things
like this are brought to a conclusion and are corrected.

Ken as you know, Once "facts" are incorrectly stated or written it is almost
impossible to change history. So,
I suggest that some of us start a site that might address some of the more
important issues that we would like to correct and see what we can do to
help in these matters. Or that we take up certain matters off line as
coordinated e-mails to each other.

For the next few weeks I will be looking for any information on
Polish-Jewish relations. Both good and bad. Just before and after the war.
Personal stories, books, and any other material. From the Jewish and Polish
point of view. I would like that information sent to me at my personal
e-mail so that we can keep passions off this web site.
In the future I will be looking for other topics that might interest me.

This present site is not a form for this type of effort and this site should
be kept that way. Unfortunately at times some of us do overstep the
boundaries of this site. I would like to see that we all continue to develop
this site for what it is intended.

Julek,
San Bernardino, CA
USA

Hi Julek,

I understand where you're coming from and think that you are perhaps
correct. Another group or site dedicated to this exercise may be more
productive in certain matters. However, I see no reason why this group could
not act occasionally to make representations, ask questions, press and lobby
politicians and others, in order to 'help' to bring issues into the public
domain. This could be done by members as individuals, and also by the
moderator for example, on behalf of the group as a whole and at the request
of members.

Unfortunately, my knowledge of this period of history and the crucial
episodes/facts to which you refer, is practically zero. As such, I feel I
would not have much to offer to the type of group you are contemplating, but
I wish you well if you should decide to persue this. Perhaps other members
will share your idea and support you seperately from this groups work.

I'm not sure, but the recent message from Halina, with regard to the IPN and
it's request for information, may provide the type of platform that you are
looking for.

Regards, Ken.

Ken,

I agree with you. I do not want anyone to take anything away from this
group. I want to add to this group, but certain issues will only cause a
strain and take away from the focus of what this group is about. These
issues should be discussed as separate issues either by direct e-mail
between members or on a separate site. At this point I am studying these
different options. Thank you for your view points.

Julek