Brilliant analysis of an ignored event of World War II, May 21, 2000
Reviewer: seydlitz89 from Portugal

The main primary source of this book is a collection of thousands of
handwritten statements collected by the Polish government in exile when they
interviewed the surviving Polish citizens released after the 1942 "amnesty" of
those detained by the Soviets after 1939. By careful research, crosschecking
and comparison with other resources Professor Gross has been able to produce a
work of exceptional clarity and importance in understanding the workings of
Stalinism in particular and totalitarianism in general.

He provides an outline of Soviet occupation policy and methods. The whole
process seems to have been well planned out, one phase setting up the
conditions to implement the second, which in turn set up the conditions for
the third, all this operating within an artificial atmosphere of fear, chaos
and confusion. An initial period of lawlessness, promoted by the Soviets in
order for a rapid collapse of the old order accompanied by the promoting of
ethic hatreds among the four main groups- Poles, Ukrainians, Belorussians and
Jews, was followed by rapid consolidation of police powers by those who owed
their new won power to Soviet authority alone. In the process of laying out
this interesting story, Gross adds many interesting insights.

Discussion of social control, prisons and deportation, NKVD interrogation
methods (including use of female interrogators) and much more provides a well
rounded sketch of this particularly brutal episode of Polish history. I found
his analysis of the "privatization of the public realm", "the spoiler state",
"totalitarian language", and Soviet use of family networks to insure
discipline and control illuminating.

Actually the only short coming of this very interesting book is that is was
published in 1988 just before the end of the Soviet Union and thus produced
without the use of the since partially-opened Soviet archives. He only has
limited information on the Katyn massacres for instance. While this should not
affect his conclusions or insights, it may give more accurate statistics than
those quoted. Perhaps a new revised edition is called for. In the meantime,
this book should be a welcome addition to any library on Polish history,
Soviet history or the history of World War II.

From: "edtar" <edtar@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:01:44 -0400
To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Information about Kresy

The best source of information about Kresy is the book "Z Kresow Wschodnich
R.P. Na Wygnanie". It is a collection of memories and descriptions of
settlements of 142 survivors of Kresy from almost as many Osady (settlements)
on the Kresy. Unfortunately it is only in Polish. I was told once that it is
being translated. The book (700 pages) was published by Ognisko Rodzin
Osadnikow Kresowych in London, 1996. ISBN 1 872286 33 X, printed by Caldra
House LTD, 23 Coleridge Street, Hove, Sussex BN3 5AB. The book contains
information about how the settlements came into being, various statistics and
how they progressed and fared up to 1940- 48.

Edward Tarchalski, Kresowiak
and survivor of Siberia.

Chaps

I've also read this book and can strongly recommend it to others. I only
have the English version
If any one wishes to read a bit of it please have a look at


Paul




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Stefan Deportations
Wisniowski
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11/10/01
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Thanks Ed,
The good news is that I have this book in it's English translation as well
as the Polish original. It is called "Stalin's Ethnic Cleansing in

Poland - Tales of the Deported 1940-1946". It is indeed a valuable book.
Marek Duchnowski, a recent member of our group, was responsible for

the book on the web - and if you visit the site, I'm sure you will agree
that it is a masterpiece!

Go to www.StalinsEthnicCleansing.com for more information on the English
version and for information on how to order copies. (Marek, this may be a
good time to get the publishers to accept credit cards and/or to accept US
funds).

I should also say that I have built a little library of perhaps 15 books

this topic in the last year, and one which I found very informative is by
Jan T. Gross (yes, the same one who later wrote about Jedwabne). it is
called "Revolution from Abroad : The Soviet Conquest of Poland's Western
Ukraine and Western Belorussia". He based his research on the Hoover
Institution archive of testimonies left by the deportees who joined Anders
Army (like Ed!). Here is the weblink to Amazon books to check it out:


Though it is out of print, they have a used book service where you can
order
it over the web for US$25 and up. I have taken the liberty of appending a
review of the book, from the Amazon site.
--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

Brilliant analysis of an ignored event of World War II, May 21, 2000
Reviewer: seydlitz89 from Portugal

The main primary source of this book is a collection of thousands of
handwritten statements collected by the Polish government in exile when

they

interviewed the surviving Polish citizens released after the 1942

"amnesty" of

those detained by the Soviets after 1939. By careful research,

crosschecking

and comparison with other resources Professor Gross has been able to

produce a

work of exceptional clarity and importance in understanding the workings

of

Stalinism in particular and totalitarianism in general.

He provides an outline of Soviet occupation policy and methods. The

process seems to have been well planned out, one phase setting up the
conditions to implement the second, which in turn set up the conditions

for

the third, all this operating within an artificial atmosphere of fear,

chaos

and confusion. An initial period of lawlessness, promoted by the Soviets

in

order for a rapid collapse of the old order accompanied by the promoting

of

ethic hatreds among the four main groups- Poles, Ukrainians,

and

Jews, was followed by rapid consolidation of police powers by those who

owed

their new won power to Soviet authority alone. In the process of laying

out

this interesting story, Gross adds many interesting insights.

Discussion of social control, prisons and deportation, NKVD

methods (including use of female interrogators) and much more provides a

well

rounded sketch of this particularly brutal episode of Polish history. I

found

his analysis of the "privatization of the public realm", "the spoiler

state",

"totalitarian language", and Soviet use of family networks to insure
discipline and control illuminating.

Actually the only short coming of this very interesting book is that is

was

published in 1988 just before the end of the Soviet Union and thus

produced

without the use of the since partially-opened Soviet archives. He only

has

limited information on the Katyn massacres for instance. While this

should not

affect his conclusions or insights, it may give more accurate statistics

than

those quoted. Perhaps a new revised edition is called for. In the

meantime,

this book should be a welcome addition to any library on Polish history,
Soviet history or the history of World War II.

From: "edtar" <edtar@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:01:44 -0400
To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Information about Kresy

The best source of information about Kresy is the book "Z Kresow

Wschodnich

R.P. Na Wygnanie". It is a collection of memories and descriptions of
settlements of 142 survivors of Kresy from almost as many Osady

(settlements)

on the Kresy. Unfortunately it is only in Polish. I was told once that

it is

being translated. The book (700 pages) was published by Ognisko Rodzin
Osadnikow Kresowych in London, 1996. ISBN 1 872286 33 X, printed by

Caldra

House LTD, 23 Coleridge Street, Hove, Sussex BN3 5AB. The book contains
information about how the settlements came into being, various

statistics and

how they progressed and fared up to 1940- 48.

Edward Tarchalski, Kresowiak
and survivor of Siberia.

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I've also read this book and can strongly recommend it to others. I only
have the English version
If any one wishes to read a bit of it please have a look at


Paul




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Stefan Deportations
Wisniowski
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px.com.au>

11/10/01
07:00
Please
respond to
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Thanks Ed,
The good news is that I have this book in it's English translation as

as the Polish original. It is called "Stalin's Ethnic Cleansing in

Poland - Tales of the Deported 1940-1946". It is indeed a valuable book.
Marek Duchnowski, a recent member of our group, was responsible for

the book on the web - and if you visit the site, I'm sure you will agree
that it is a masterpiece!

Go to www.StalinsEthnicCleansing.com for more information on the English
version and for information on how to order copies. (Marek, this may be

good time to get the publishers to accept credit cards and/or to accept

funds).

I should also say that I have built a little library of perhaps 15 books

this topic in the last year, and one which I found very informative is by
Jan T. Gross (yes, the same one who later wrote about Jedwabne). it is
called "Revolution from Abroad : The Soviet Conquest of Poland's Western
Ukraine and Western Belorussia". He based his research on the Hoover
Institution archive of testimonies left by the deportees who joined

Army (like Ed!). Here is the weblink to Amazon books to check it out:


Though it is out of print, they have a used book service where you can
order
it over the web for US$25 and up. I have taken the liberty of appending a
review of the book, from the Amazon site.
--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

Brilliant analysis of an ignored event of World War II, May 21, 2000
Reviewer: seydlitz89 from Portugal

The main primary source of this book is a collection of thousands of
handwritten statements collected by the Polish government in exile when

they

interviewed the surviving Polish citizens released after the 1942

"amnesty" of

those detained by the Soviets after 1939. By careful research,

crosschecking

and comparison with other resources Professor Gross has been able to

produce a

work of exceptional clarity and importance in understanding the

of

Stalinism in particular and totalitarianism in general.

He provides an outline of Soviet occupation policy and methods. The

process seems to have been well planned out, one phase setting up the
conditions to implement the second, which in turn set up the conditions

for

the third, all this operating within an artificial atmosphere of fear,

chaos

and confusion. An initial period of lawlessness, promoted by the

in

order for a rapid collapse of the old order accompanied by the

of

ethic hatreds among the four main groups- Poles, Ukrainians,

and

Jews, was followed by rapid consolidation of police powers by those who

owed

their new won power to Soviet authority alone. In the process of laying

out

this interesting story, Gross adds many interesting insights.

Discussion of social control, prisons and deportation, NKVD

methods (including use of female interrogators) and much more provides

well

rounded sketch of this particularly brutal episode of Polish history. I

found

his analysis of the "privatization of the public realm", "the spoiler

state",

"totalitarian language", and Soviet use of family networks to insure
discipline and control illuminating.

Actually the only short coming of this very interesting book is that is

was

published in 1988 just before the end of the Soviet Union and thus

produced

without the use of the since partially-opened Soviet archives. He only

has

limited information on the Katyn massacres for instance. While this

should not

affect his conclusions or insights, it may give more accurate

than

those quoted. Perhaps a new revised edition is called for. In the

meantime,

this book should be a welcome addition to any library on Polish

Soviet history or the history of World War II.

From: "edtar" <edtar@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:01:44 -0400
To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Information about Kresy

The best source of information about Kresy is the book "Z Kresow

Wschodnich

R.P. Na Wygnanie". It is a collection of memories and descriptions of
settlements of 142 survivors of Kresy from almost as many Osady

(settlements)

on the Kresy. Unfortunately it is only in Polish. I was told once that

it is

being translated. The book (700 pages) was published by Ognisko Rodzin
Osadnikow Kresowych in London, 1996. ISBN 1 872286 33 X, printed by

Caldra

House LTD, 23 Coleridge Street, Hove, Sussex BN3 5AB. The book

information about how the settlements came into being, various

statistics and

how they progressed and fared up to 1940- 48.

Edward Tarchalski, Kresowiak
and survivor of Siberia.

Edward

The story on my web page isn't in the book. It's a personal recollection

Elizabeth's mother
that Elizabeth kindly allowed me to publish.
Both the book titles are at the bottom of the page, the English version is

| From The Eastern Borderlands of Poland, Memories of military

| 1921-1940

I do not have the right to question any accounts in these books as my
family didn't have to make that terrible journey.

Paul






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"edtar" Deportations
<edtar@bellatl
antic.net>

11/10/01 18:11
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to
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Paul, what is the title of the english version and where did you get it &
how much is it.
The sample story in the site >
is
not in the original books of which there were 2 editions, 1996 of 700 p
and
1998 of 450 p. Janina Stobnik's story does not appear in either. I also
question Tomasz Piesakowski's claim of authorship of the english
translation
of these collective authiorships.
Edward


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To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
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Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Information about Kresy & the Deportations

Chaps

I've also read this book and can strongly recommend it to others. I only
have the English version
If any one wishes to read a bit of it please have a look at


Paul




To:

<Kresy-Siberia@...>

cc:
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Information about Kresy & the

Stefan Deportations
Wisniowski
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px.com.au>

11/10/01
07:00
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Thanks Ed,
The good news is that I have this book in it's English translation as

well

as the Polish original. It is called "Stalin's Ethnic Cleansing in

Eastern

Poland - Tales of the Deported 1940-1946". It is indeed a valuable

Marek Duchnowski, a recent member of our group, was responsible for

putting

the book on the web - and if you visit the site, I'm sure you will agree
that it is a masterpiece!

Go to www.StalinsEthnicCleansing.com for more information on the English
version and for information on how to order copies. (Marek, this may be

a

good time to get the publishers to accept credit cards and/or to accept

US

funds).

I should also say that I have built a little library of perhaps 15 books

on

this topic in the last year, and one which I found very informative is

Jan T. Gross (yes, the same one who later wrote about Jedwabne). it is
called "Revolution from Abroad : The Soviet Conquest of Poland's Western
Ukraine and Western Belorussia". He based his research on the Hoover
Institution archive of testimonies left by the deportees who joined

Anders

Army (like Ed!). Here is the weblink to Amazon books to check it out:


Though it is out of print, they have a used book service where you can
order
it over the web for US$25 and up. I have taken the liberty of appending

review of the book, from the Amazon site.
--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

Brilliant analysis of an ignored event of World War II, May 21, 2000
Reviewer: seydlitz89 from Portugal

The main primary source of this book is a collection of thousands of
handwritten statements collected by the Polish government in exile

they

interviewed the surviving Polish citizens released after the 1942

"amnesty" of

those detained by the Soviets after 1939. By careful research,

crosschecking

and comparison with other resources Professor Gross has been able to

produce a

work of exceptional clarity and importance in understanding the

workings

of

Stalinism in particular and totalitarianism in general.

He provides an outline of Soviet occupation policy and methods. The

whole

process seems to have been well planned out, one phase setting up the
conditions to implement the second, which in turn set up the

for

the third, all this operating within an artificial atmosphere of fear,

chaos

and confusion. An initial period of lawlessness, promoted by the

Soviets

in

order for a rapid collapse of the old order accompanied by the

promoting

of

ethic hatreds among the four main groups- Poles, Ukrainians,

Belorussians

and

Jews, was followed by rapid consolidation of police powers by those

owed

their new won power to Soviet authority alone. In the process of

out

this interesting story, Gross adds many interesting insights.

Discussion of social control, prisons and deportation, NKVD

interrogation

methods (including use of female interrogators) and much more provides

a

well

rounded sketch of this particularly brutal episode of Polish history.

found

his analysis of the "privatization of the public realm", "the spoiler

state",

"totalitarian language", and Soviet use of family networks to insure
discipline and control illuminating.

Actually the only short coming of this very interesting book is that

was

published in 1988 just before the end of the Soviet Union and thus

produced

without the use of the since partially-opened Soviet archives. He only

has

limited information on the Katyn massacres for instance. While this

should not

affect his conclusions or insights, it may give more accurate

statistics

than

those quoted. Perhaps a new revised edition is called for. In the

meantime,

this book should be a welcome addition to any library on Polish

history,

Soviet history or the history of World War II.

From: "edtar" <edtar@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:01:44 -0400
To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Information about Kresy

The best source of information about Kresy is the book "Z Kresow

Wschodnich

R.P. Na Wygnanie". It is a collection of memories and descriptions

settlements of 142 survivors of Kresy from almost as many Osady

(settlements)

on the Kresy. Unfortunately it is only in Polish. I was told once

it is

being translated. The book (700 pages) was published by Ognisko

Osadnikow Kresowych in London, 1996. ISBN 1 872286 33 X, printed by

Caldra

House LTD, 23 Coleridge Street, Hove, Sussex BN3 5AB. The book

contains

information about how the settlements came into being, various

statistics and

how they progressed and fared up to 1940- 48.

Edward Tarchalski, Kresowiak
and survivor of Siberia.

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Edward
write to this address

Polish Cultural Foundation, 23 Coleridge Street, Hove, Sussex BN3 5AB, UK

I'm not so sure of the price, but they'll be able to fill you in
what do you think of the story that I've got on my pages

Paul




At 12:42 10/12/2001 -0400, you wrote:

Paul,
??? Thanks for the title of the English translation ( From The Eastern
Borderlands of Poland, Memories of military settlements? 1921-1940 )
It is not in The title there is of course
Stalins Ethnic Cleansing. It is also in the ordering procedure.? There are
references to the Polish version (articles and authors etc) in that URL.
Again, where can I get the ( From The Eastern Borderlands of Poland,
Memories of military settlements? 1921-1940 ) and how much is it.
Thanks
Edward

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Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 12:44:26 +1000
From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Subject: Re: Information about Kresy & the Deportations

Paul and Ed
There may be a slight misunderstanding on here about the Polish and English
versions of the books from the Association of the Families of the Borderland
Settlers. I also went through the same confusing process earlier this year;
perhaps I can help.

I believe that Elzunia's recent e-mail explains it, but in case it was not
clear, there were 2 books in Polish - one dealing with the inter-war period
(1921-40), one with the deportation (1940-46). Both books were combined
into one English book, but the English book only took on the 2nd books title
(1940-46). I believe that what the committee did was combine the memories
of the settlements with the memories of the deportation into the same
articles. Whilst I have not done a page by page comparison, I believe that
the bulk of the English book is from the 2nd Polish book. For example, many
of the stories start in 1940. But several also have a few paragraphs on
life before then.

So, in short, the English book, while brilliant, likely does not include all
the material of the 2 Polish books - especially abridging the first,
inter-war book. There is certainly no point in seeking a separate English
translation of the 1921-40 book.

Elzunia, have I finally got this right?

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Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

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