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If there is anything worse than a lie it is a partial (in every sense of the
word) truth.

When Poland was invaded one country did aid her. The United Kingdom declared
war on Germany in compliance to its treaty obligations to Poland. France
joined in a few days later.

At Yalta the UK as the by then junior partner in the Grand Alliance did its
best. Poland had to accept the Curzon line as its Eastern Frontier. (This
was the internationally agreed frontier as arranged at Versailles). Poland
had expanded beyond Curzon in the aftermath of its independence. It also
took parts of Ukraine and Lithuania. These are facts; look at a history
book. Stalin took these back for Ukraine and Lithuania, (ie for the Soviet
Union).

In compensation the Polish frontier expanded Westwards at Germany's expense
to the line of the Oder-Niesse.

Let us not now go into the matter of the Warsw Uprising of '44 lest we
discuss that of '43.

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From: Eve5J@...
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Comments on Bill Maher yesterday: US "helping"

Eastern Europe

Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:28:33 EST

Dear Group:

Below is an email I sent to Andrew Sullivan, a normally right-wing blogger
who was a guest on the HBO show "Real Time With Bill Maher" yesterday. Try

to

watch this week's Bill Maher if you can.

Pozdrawiam,
Eve Jankowicz
USA
-----
Andrew:

I wanted to let you know that you were incorrect and entirely out of line
regarding the United States coming to the aid of Eastern Europe. As you

know

Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland began World War II in 1939.

Simultaneously

Poland was invaded by the USSR on her long Eastern borders. Not one single

country came to Poland's aid to help its citizens fight off this dual

slaughter,

and Poland was almost annihilated. Then began the long war years of

oppression,

deportation to Siberia of millions of its Eastern citizens, incarceration,
starvation, enslavement, and wholesale murder of Poland by both the USSR

and

Germany. When the entire city of Warsaw rose against the Nazis, the

Russian army

(at that time our allies) watched as the city was destroyed, starved, and
murdered. Again the world watched and did nothing, giving the Russian army

a

free pass to do what it would, which in this case was nothing.

During the war Poland served and gave valiantly to the war effort as both

an

ally and for its own freedom. This service was without parallel. Men and
women served bravely on many fronts: in Poland's own Underground Army,

with the

Polish Forces Under British Command in Europe and elsewhere, and with the
Soviet Army fighting the Nazis from the East. This is just the tip of the

iceberg

regarding what Polish citizens did for the war effort and how they

suffered.

And what was Poland's reward? 1). Its soldiers were prevented from
participating in the Victory Parade in London because Stalin would not

allow this.

Roosevelt and Churchill capitulated to his demands, and this was just one

of the

many times that this occurred. 2). Its Eastern borderlands were given to
and made part of the USSR, and, 3). Poland, with the rest of Eastern

Europe,

was promptly HANDED OVER in its entirety to the USSR. Poland just emerged

from

the USSR's yoke in 1989.

This was a total betrayal by the allies, of which this country was a

leading

member.
Eastern Europe, and particularly Poland, were the recipients of and

received

the brunt of the war as far as destruction of society and actual warfare.

All

of Eastern Europe was served as one of the sacrificial lambs of World War

II.

I suggest before you shoot your mouth off, know your subject matter. The
United States was complicit in allowing these events to occur. Our

"helping

Eastern Europe" would be laughable if it wasn't so disgusting an opposite

reality.

Eve Jankowicz

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From: Eve5J@...
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Comments on Bill Maher yesterday: US "helping"

Eastern Europe

Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:28:33 EST

Dear Group:

Below is an email I sent to Andrew Sullivan, a normally right-wing blogger
who was a guest on the HBO show "Real Time With Bill Maher" yesterday. Try

to

watch this week's Bill Maher if you can.

Pozdrawiam,
Eve Jankowicz
USA
-----
Andrew:

I wanted to let you know that you were incorrect and entirely out of line
regarding the United States coming to the aid of Eastern Europe. As you

know

Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland began World War II in 1939.

Simultaneously

Poland was invaded by the USSR on her long Eastern borders. Not one single

country came to Poland's aid to help its citizens fight off this dual

slaughter,

and Poland was almost annihilated. Then began the long war years of

oppression,

deportation to Siberia of millions of its Eastern citizens, incarceration,
starvation, enslavement, and wholesale murder of Poland by both the USSR

and

Germany. When the entire city of Warsaw rose against the Nazis, the

Russian army

(at that time our allies) watched as the city was destroyed, starved, and
murdered. Again the world watched and did nothing, giving the Russian army

a

free pass to do what it would, which in this case was nothing.

During the war Poland served and gave valiantly to the war effort as both

an

ally and for its own freedom. This service was without parallel. Men and
women served bravely on many fronts: in Poland's own Underground Army,

with the

Polish Forces Under British Command in Europe and elsewhere, and with the
Soviet Army fighting the Nazis from the East. This is just the tip of the

iceberg

regarding what Polish citizens did for the war effort and how they

suffered.

And what was Poland's reward? 1). Its soldiers were prevented from
participating in the Victory Parade in London because Stalin would not

allow this.

Roosevelt and Churchill capitulated to his demands, and this was just one

of the

many times that this occurred. 2). Its Eastern borderlands were given to
and made part of the USSR, and, 3). Poland, with the rest of Eastern

Europe,

was promptly HANDED OVER in its entirety to the USSR. Poland just emerged

from

the USSR's yoke in 1989.

This was a total betrayal by the allies, of which this country was a

leading

member.
Eastern Europe, and particularly Poland, were the recipients of and

received

the brunt of the war as far as destruction of society and actual warfare.

All

of Eastern Europe was served as one of the sacrificial lambs of World War

II.

I suggest before you shoot your mouth off, know your subject matter. The
United States was complicit in allowing these events to occur. Our

"helping

Eastern Europe" would be laughable if it wasn't so disgusting an opposite

reality.

Eve Jankowicz

This is for real. ?The forwarded letter was the attachment, so don’t worry – here it is...
--
Stefan Wisniowski

From: Grace Dastice <gdastice@...>
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:55:52 -0800 (PST)
To: Kresy-Siberia-owner@...
Subject: Hello everyone I am a new member to your group

It is an honor to join your group and be included in your discussions. ?My father is from Antonowka, Poland and his family was sent to Siberia. I recently was researching information about his youth that he has been talking about all his life when I came upon the movie "A Forgotten Odessy". ?He was very excited about seeing his Polish Refugee camp information in Mbala, Zambia. ?He was there until 1948. ?He told me about how his father and little sister died of starvation in Siberia and how they were sent by train thru Persia, Afganistan, etc. ?I have ordered him the movie and can't wait to get it so that we can watch it together. ?I ?asked him if this brought back bad memories for him and he responded that "this was life" and we survived. ?I will never forget his words. ?Anyways, I am trying to give all information I see from your group to him because he does not have a computer. ??He gets very excited to see people ?remembering and writing about some of the things that he experienced. ?Anyways, looking forward to your discussions, I have seen a few of the e-mails already. ?Thanks again,
?
Grace Dzieciol D'Astice Chicago, IL

Thanks Zbyszek,
The picture I mentioned is one I posted to our gallery a few months back at It is the top picture.
Barbara Kwietniowski
Ontario, Canada

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Wow, that would be awesome to see/find your mom or another relative. I have
cousins that were in Africa/Persia.

Cheers

Zbyszek,
I have one of these pictures in my mum's files - It is in Abercorn - the one with the children in the Krakowskie dance outfits. I think I recognize her in another picture so this album has now become very valuable to me. I can help with funds if you wish but please put in a bid.
Over the last few years I have looked at so many pictures in hopes of recognizing someone and here it happened! I have goosebumps!!!!
Please keep me posted as to how the bidding is going.
Barbara

I read somewhere that the higher the percentage of a country's borders that
is an open ocean/sea (vs. land locked) the better the prosperity of that
nation (given everything else, like government type, climate, etc. is
equal)


(I guessed at these % by looking at a map)
Examples Of Nations that have high % ocean/sea shorelines/borders
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Australia 100%
England 100%
Japan 100%
Hong Kong 100% (part of China now)
Singapore 100%
Italy 90%
USA 80%
Canada 80%
France 75%
Russia 50%
Chile 50%
China 30%


Low % of borders (land locked)
================================
Poland post WWII 15%
Poland pre WII 1%
Bolivia 0%
Paraguay 0%



So in a addition to Poland being surrounded by two large aggressive super
powers , it's seashore borders for trade/communication/navy are very small.

Zbyszek

I must say that I rather agree with Lech on this subject. I do not
for a moment deny that our parents or families who suffered in Siberia
and elsewhere may have psychological, if not physical, scars, but I
too am surprised by some of the posts.
I grew up in England and then Canada, having to go to Polish school on
Saturdays for a while (thankfully short) but never once did my parents
tell me I should do well not to shame Poland, the church or the
family. I cannot remember any such comment, ever.
Perhaps the different attitudes of the parents are what make the
children react in such different ways?

Barbara Davoust
Toulouse, France



--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "Helena Danielczuk"
<helena52@m...> wrote:

I agree with you.

Not only did our parents suffer at first hand not just phisically but
mentally too, but I feel and have learned from others that we as the

next

generation id fel the repercusions of this as we were growing up.

we did

not understand or know why, our parents did not know either . It

would be

interesting to find out how many of us have had or needed some form of
therapy or experienced some psychological issue. For myself and few

here in

Bradford there was pressure on us to do well, to be doctors or

barristers to

'nie przyniesc wstydu rodzinie, prafii i Polsce!? What about

ourselves?

The burden of carying the whole of Polands reputation on a childs

shoulders!

Musisz pokazac, milcz i pracuj ciezko bo moze tez Tobie czeka

Sybir! In

fact at Polska szkola if you misbehaved the dunce's corner was

Sybir!! I

kid you not.

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They certainly do, I have some medals that I'm going to donate. On another note, I would be willing to send the Poem to the Polish Newspaper in London if that meets with the authors approval ? Paul? ?

Stefan,

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I enjoyed reading the
Russia's view of events, however biased as it was.

Regards

Zbyszek

--- Eve5J@... wrote:

The fact of

Poland's geography has nothing
to do with it.

Poland's location is critical to its history.
Location between competing superpowers during the past
several hundred years has had major effects on Poland
and Poles, including moi.

Do believe that it's purely coincidental that Norway,
for example, never suffered the same fate over the
centuries?

Czesc,
Leszek

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Dear Stefan,
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Rich Widerynski

Gary,
Thank you for the heads up.

If no one has any objections, I'd be happy to buy this Photo album and then
scan all the pictures and post them on our site.

Also, does anyone know if there is a central institution that collects such
old Polish historical pictures?

Does the Sikorski Institution accept donations?

Regards

Zbyszek

Hello again all,
. I not sure if anybody else has spotted this, but on E-bay there's another photo album concerning displaced Poles.

(WW2 Polish African refugee camp photograph album).

Here's a link to the Album ....



Regards

Gary Jucha - England

I agree with you.

Not only did our parents suffer at first hand not just phisically but mentally too, but I feel and have learned from others that we as the next generation id fel the repercusions of this as we were growing up. we did not understand or know why, our parents did not know either . It would be interesting to find out how many of us have had or needed some form of therapy or experienced some psychological issue. For myself and few here in Bradford there was pressure on us to do well, to be doctors or barristers to 'nie przyniesc wstydu rodzinie, prafii i Polsce!? What about ourselves? The burden of carying the whole of Polands reputation on a childs shoulders! Musisz pokazac, milcz i pracuj ciezko bo moze tez Tobie czeka Sybir! In fact at Polska szkola if you misbehaved the dunce's corner was Sybir!! I kid you not.
It is thanks to this group i have learned about my father, his life, his reasons for behaving as he did and now I am so happy that I am so fortunate that I can have time with him with this new understanding. He will be 85 on Wednesday GOd willing and I do feel sad that his life has not been a bed of roses, but talking to him he has fulfilled hisn dream. He has his own house, warmth food a plenty and his family around who have succeeded in the educational and work front even not as doctors or barristers! He has seen his grandchildren marry and is able to 'play' with his threee great grandsons. Hitler was corect the Sybiracy are a hardened lot phisically but they are soft and emotional inside.as readding the poems will testify.

Bye 4 now Hela.

From: Eve5J@...
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Getting over it
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:05:18 EST

I feel that we children of deportees are much more citizens of the world than
the average person. How many people have come to this group angry at what
was done and stated this? When the children find out the truth, this is
understandable. Also functioning in life and pushing the past to the back of one's
mind--I just do not agree that there are no issues at all. Everyone has or had
issues whether admitted or not. The fact of Poland's geography has nothing
to do with it.

Eve Jesionka Jankowicz
USA
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"One who does not respect and appreciate his past is not worthy
of the present and does not have a right to a future."

Jozef Pilsudski,
20 February 1920
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With permission can we all send to our local papers in time for 11.11! ?



Bye 4 now Hela.

From: "Linder Carole Ladbrooke" <ladbrooke@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Polscy Chlopcy
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 04:36:00 +0100

Dear Hania,

You're poems are great and should be published, BEWARE, first, learn all
about 'COPYWRITE'
Then, a few idea's - Polish newspapers [some printed in London, UK, get sent
everywhere] - eg;
The Polish Daily Publishers Ltd,
63 Jeddo Road,
LONDON W12 9ED
England
Tel; 020-8740-1991
Fax; 029-8746-1661
email; dziennik@...

I can ask my friend, who used to work for this one, names of others, if you
want, but there's probably ones near you. I know San Francisco/Texas + lot's
more USA have them, also in CANADA.
Can't some of our members, all over the world, give addresses of local
printed newspaspers too?

Linder
-----Original Message-----
From: Anne Kaczanowski [mailto:annekaczanowski@...]
Sent: 06 November 2004 09:34
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Polscy Chlopcy


For new members....

Here is a poem I wrote last year for Rememberence Day. After all my
education from the Kresy site, I finally understood our families plight, and
had my father lived... these were words I would have liked to have finally
told him. Perhaps for new members just starting, this will be helpful.
This is also listed in the Kresy-Siberia site under Files and has the Polish
Eagle emblem for those who wish to print with the emblem.

hania


Polscy Chlopcy




Lest We Forget was boldly printed on the card

To honour those who died for their countries while standing guard.

They were men and boys, young and old, weak and strong,

And each one was to be remembered with patriotic song.



As long as I can remember, Nov. 11th was your special day.

You shined up your war medals and donned your beret.

As veterans paid tribute with wreaths of poppies upon the square,

You proudly saluted the heavens to all the soldiers there.



With old trembling hands you held your card and thought to years gone by.

And every time the trumpets roared, I saw the tears that filled your eyes.

What were you thinking that brought you such pain?

Were you remembering Polscy Chlopcy that died in vain?



Or were you thinking of your own sorrow and how this all began

Because of greed and hatred, best expressed by man.

Were your tears for your little village and all that was once yours?

Or were your tears for the broken dreams snatched away by war.





Germany was creating havoc and Poland knew there might be trouble in sight

But she was assured there would be help, if she needed to fight.

Great America and England promised if needed theyd rise to the plate

But instead sat silent while Polands defeat became your fate.



Were your tears for the broken promises made man to man?

Or for how meaningless had become the shake of ones hand?

Germans abounded from the west and the army was ready for almighty war

But as they were pushed back, from the east came something more.



On Sept 17, 1939, the Rusks like hungry vultures awaiting their prey

Swarmed all around you with bayonets and for being Polish, youd pay.

They occupied quickly and took Lwow, Wilno and Luck

What did a young peasant boy know of promises the Nazis had made to the
Rusks?



In the cold of winter, they knocked on Kresyland doors ripping people from
their sleep

And yelled you have an hour to pack, dont waste the time to weep!

Old people and children were herded like cattle into the snow

And guns blasted loudly at those who said I wont go!



Sleds and wagons carried you to the nearest railway stations

Thus beginning for Kresowiacy, heartless and cruel deportations.

Crammed into frozen boxcars with little food and hardly room to lay

They prayed Swiety Boze i Matko Boska, please show us the way!



After shuffling you into prison, black raven trucks and a windowless train

They said Comrades dont cry, save your tears for future pain!

We will send you Polscy Chlopcy to Archangel and Siberia

If hunger doesnt kill you, therell be scurvy, typhoid and diptheria





Oh God they were right when they said

that God created heaven

and the devil created Archangel.



Temperatures so cold, you couldnt bear your skin,

And if you dared spit, it froze in the wind.

Newspapers and rags gently wrapped around your feet

But be damned if youd let your spirit be beat.



With backbreaking labour you crushed rocks for their roads

Swinging axes and shovels load after load.

For a grueling days work they fed you 700 grams of bread

Anything less and youda soon been dead.



At night, with barely enough clothing to warm your bones

You fell fast asleep only to dream of more stones.

And whoda thought in this land of Godforsaken ice

Millions of bedbugs and those bastardly lice.



On barges and boats they shuffled you around

Then rumours of freedom started to abound.

Dirty ol Stalin had found himself in a fix,

As his good buddy Hitler pulled out a few more tricks.



Stalin said Polscy Chlopcy, try to understand,

This wasnt about you, I just wanted your land.

Well toast to freedom, and with a new Polish Army well work side by
side.

Forget about all those men who died!





So with release cards and empty stomachs he set you free

You headed south where the army was supposed to be.

Sikorski and Anders waited for the Polish Army to regroup

As thousands of you half starved and sick arrived for bread and soup.



Were your tears for all the women and children you passed on the road

Each one beyond their years, showing scars of their merciless load?

Did you cry for the corpses they callously threw into the wind?

Or ask if this was punishment for man who had sinned?



The Brits gave you uniforms and a white Polish eagle to wear on your
shoulder

General Anders restored your faith and put things in order.

Stalin held back your bread and insisted that Polscy Chlopcy be sent to
the front.

Anders refused because he knew on Stalin he could no longer count.



Anders moved his army to Persia in order for Polscy Chlopcy to survive.

The Caspian Sea carried you to Pahlevi, some barely alive.

With wounded souls and bodies frail

Thousands were left behind and missed the last sail.



Were you thinking of this when you choked back the tears?

Knowing how much they continued to suffer for many more years.

You became a proud soldier in Polish 2nd Corps

And fought in Monte Cassino with much determined force.



Pulled from rags in Russia, Polscy Chlopcy passed the test

They became a great army and certainly one of the best.

Polish blood soaked the soil from your countrymen that laid dead

Amongst the shattered poppies that were already red.





Polscy Chlopcy stood proud and still

As they placed their countrys flag upon the captured hill.

The white eagle soared with victorious delight

For all the exiled soldiers who had won their fight.



The world celebrated with victory parades and promised fences to mend

But Polscy Chlopcy were not invited to attend.

Great America and England let Stalin take your land

So what exactly you had fought for, was hard to understand.



To appease the Communists you were again deported and pushed aside

With spirits crushed and broken hearts, valiant soldiers cried.

Instead of paying you tribute they made you search for home in a new place

While they demobilized your army just to save face.



Did you weep for your family for whom you would never again see?

Or the loss of their freedoms, while you were in a new land and free?

Were your tears for Polscy Chlopcy as they were being called D.P.s

Or for the suggestions that you change your Polish name and drop the ski
?



You remained proud to your heritage and kept your name.

This was all you had left and it bore you no shame.

On Remembrance Day, you stood alone as you remembered those who died

Because there were no Polscy Chlopsy to share your memories, at your side.



There was no one here that had shared your footsteps from the past.

And many of the young never cared to ask.

They had never been to war, and they didnt understand

What it really meant to lose ones land.





Today I stand alone, holding your polished medals at your grave,

And I thank you with all my heart for being so brave.

I thank you for the Polish heritage that you passed on to me

And for raising me in a country, where I am blessed to be free.



For Polscy Chlopcy, I will scatter red poppies in the wind, just for you

And I will do my best to my heritage be true.

And when the trumpets roar, I too, will salute the skies

For now I finally understand the tears in your eyes.








Written in memory of my father

Kazimierz Kaczanowski





Hania Kaczanowska 2003


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