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Odp: Polish graves in Iran to be restored
Wladyslaw Czapski
Wladyslaw Czapski - Wroclaw - Poland. www.us.wroc.pl/bio-rytm/main.htm
biorytm@... I received magazine {writing} from Polish Embassy in Teheran about my Mother Janina deceased Czapska in 1942. Magazine {writing} gave No of grave. Who ascertained death. Why died {dead} and when. Who accompanied on cemetery. What left from her fortune in ZSRR Embassy Poland in Teheran wrote that these given has from 1942 rouk. I think that Embassy has record {of} Polish c ----- Wiadomosc oryginalna ----- Od: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...> Do: "Kresy-Siberia Group" <Kresy-Siberia@...> Wyslano: 26 wrzesnia 2001 10:38 Temat: [Kresy-Siberia] Polish graves in Iran to be restored I have received this pertinent article off the web from Wladyslaw Czapski, and have attempted a translation of the salient facts. My Aunt died and was buried in Teheran on the day after her 18th birthday. It is possible that many of us have family members buried in these cemeteries. Wes Adamczyk has told me about an excursion being organised from London to Iran to attend the 50th anniversary ceremonies of the "Great Escape" next April. Current events make a trip to south-central Asia problematic, but I can pass on details to anybody interested. Here is the article (with gratitude to my Saturday Polish school language skills and apologies in advance for any flaws in the translation). TRANSLATION: Andrzej Przewoznik: Experts going to Iran next month. Polish Radio reports that Polish experts are going to Iran next month to agree plans with local authorities for remembrance ceremonies for the exiled Polish civilians and military personnel buried there. In 1942, the Poles left the then Soviet Union with General Anders' army and managed to reach Iran. Many died from exhaustion after their sojourn in the forced labour camps. Secretary of the "Council to Protect the Memory of Struggle and Suffering", Andrzej Przewoznik, said that state ceremonies commemorating the exiles will take place in Iran next year. He added that the Council decided to restore all the cemeteries in this country where Poles are buried. Andrzej Przewoznik said that scores of other cemeteries will be restored in other countries that the civilian population and the army of General Anders reached from the Soviet Union. Beyond Iran, restorations are underway in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and India as well as in Africa. [Saturday, 8 September 2001]. ORIGINAL: Andrzej Przewoznik: za miesiaoc eksperci jadao do Iranu Za miesiaoc do Iranu wyjadao polscy eksperci, aby uzgodnic z tamtejszymi w?adzami plan uroczystosci, ktre majao upamieotnic pochowanych tam polskich uchodzcw cywilnych i wojskowych -- poinformowa?o Polskie Radio. W 1942 roku wyszli oni z wczesnego Zwiaozku Radzieckiego i wraz z armiao genera?a Andersa dotarli do Iranu. Wielu zmar?o z powodu wycienczenia po pobycie w ?agrach. Sekretarz Rady Ochrony Pamieoci Walki i Meoczenstwa Andrzej Przewoznik powiedzia?, zTe uroczystosci panstwowe upamieotniajaoce uchodzcw odbeodao sieo w Iranie w przysz?ym roku. Doda?, zTe Rada zdecydowa?a o uporzaodkowaniu wszystkich cmentarzy w tym kraju, gdzie pochowani sao Polacy. Andrzej Przewoznik powiedzia?, zTe uporzaodkowanych zostanie tezT kilkadziesiaot innych cmentarzy na terenach rzTnych panstw, gdzie ze Zwiaozku Radzieckiego dotar?a ludnosc cywilna i armia genera?a Andersa. Oprcz Iranu, prace renowacyjne trwajao w Kazachstanie, Uzbekistanie, w Indiach oraz w Afryce. [ sobota, 8 wrzesnia 2001 ] -- Stefan Wisniowski Australia +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP + Research, Remembrance, Recognition +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Website: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Replies to this message will go directly to the full list. + Send e-mails to: Kresy-Siberia@... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + To Subscribe, send a blank email to: + Kresy-Siberia-subscribe@... AND + a message to Kresy-Siberia-owner@... + saying who you are and your interest in the group +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: + Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Re: www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
How about a link to my Kresy site,
content so far is good but as I've said before you need Meta tags etc I have some decent backgrounds if you want a sample let me know Paul At 17:54 09/26/2001 +1100, you wrote: Please check out this site and let me know what you think about:
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Re: www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
Donald Dudley
It's exciting to hear about a documentary on the subject.? I
would love to know if one can purchase a copy of the videotape.
Don Dudley
How about a link to my Kresy site, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Donald
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Welcome Jerry Schneider
Stefan Wisniowski
I would like to welcome Jerry Schneider to the group. Here is Jerry's story,
I hope that we can help him with his research. -- Stefan Wisniowski Kresy-Siberia List Moderator ---------- From: Jerry Schneider <jschneider@...> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:22:26 -0400 "At present, I am researching the families of my paternal grandfather who resided primarily in Zolkiewka and Izbica, outside of Lublin. This includes the Shnaiderman and Roitman family lines. Although my grandfather and grandmother emigrated to the U.S. in 1912/1914 respectively, most family members remained in Poland and Russia and presumably died in the holocaust. Family lore indicates that several family members were sent to Siberia (specifically Zlatoust) during the period 1940-1941. Was Zlatoust one of the cities where labor camps existed as identified by the Kresy-Siberia group? One such relative was my paternal great aunt, Esther Rivka Shnaiderman Graier, born in Izbica, moved to Warsaw with her husband Josef Graier in the late-1920s and then moved Eastward to Bialystok after the initial Nazi invasion in 1939. From there, both her, her husband and at least one son Moshe (born in Warsaw in 1932) were relocated to Zlatoust where Esther Rivka died. We don't know what happened to the others. Any information you can provide, suggestions as to where any records may exist, or any other light you can shed on this request will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. - Jerry" -- |
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Welcome to Adrian Nessel
Stefan Wisniowski
Welcome to Adrian Nessel. I hope that through this group, she will find a
number of ways to get the information she seeks. -- Stefan Wisniowski Kresy-Siberia List Moderator ------------------------------------------------- From: "Adrian Nessel" <adriannessel@...> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:27:49 +0100 Here are my reasons for joining the group. My father now deceased, Jozef Nessel originated from Lwow and was involved in the September Uprising of 1939. He was later imprisoned in the Siberian prison camp system (no idea where) until 1942 when he joined with General Anders and made his way to Palestine and the 8th Army. He later arrived in the UK in 1943 and transferred to the Parachute Brigade in Scotland. After the War he never returned home, but settled in Scotland where he married and lived a full life. I have been carrying out family history research for some 12 months now in an attempt to learn more and to trace any remaining family in Poland. As a result of this research I made contact with the Polish Records Section of the Home Office in London seeking information. Among other things I was told that in Poland my father was married to an Ewa Chudziak and that they had a son Stanislaw who was born in 1940. This has been a shock for us all including my own mother so I have been concentrating a great deal of time in developing this part of my research to confirm their existence and to establish if they are still alive or not. To date I have had no positive results which suggest they are still alive. For me it's important that I locate records or information about Siberia and the camps in the hope of establishing the truth. Hopefully this site will assist me in my quest for the truth. Adrian Nessel Scotland |
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Re: www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
Steve Roy
Hi Paul
I have been away a couple of days so haven't had time to do more to the site. The meta tags are a good idea. I have relied on Stefan for content and I've just crunched out the HTML. If you have ideas on some meta tags/keywords I could incorporate into the site that would be great. Also what's the URL of your site for the links page Steve |
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Re: www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
Hi steve
the url is I've got a meta generator or I can do the tags manualy, I'll have a go tonight and send them on to you Paul At 18:58 09/26/2001 -0700, you wrote: Hi Paul
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Meta-morphosis mandatory
Dear Steve and Paul and other group members;
Apologies to others burdened by this email.
I suggest that you please consider using direct email rather than
the group list for posting messages of a purely technical nature that
are unlikely to be of interest to all. I have found other information
here interesting but I don't know or really care if you generate metas
metabolically or by metaphoresis. Let's keep the site clean and
concise - otherwise people will unsubscribe.
Peter Baluk
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welcome to Tom Sajwaj
Stefan Wisniowski
Please welcome Tom Sajwaj.
-- Stefan Wisniowski Kresy-Siberia List Moderator ---------- From: Glenda Sajwaj <tesajwaj@...> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:31:54 -0400 My mother's father was born in Grodno province in 1889. He was a Laskowski, and closely related were the Oszmain, Rudol, and Zudziejo (Zadziejo) families. They lived in the Rohotna, Zdzieciol, Dworzec, and Slonim area. After he emigrated to Kansas City, Kansas, via Galveston in 1910, contact with the family in eastern Poland stopped. We do not know the fate of the family there. I certainly appreciate your efforts to develop and to support this group. Tom Sajwaj |
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Re: Welcome to Adrian Nessel
John Nessel
开云体育Hello to you all
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Can I just confirm now in case any rumours start I,
that is Adrian Nessel is a he and not a she.? If any of my staff saw this
heaven knows where it would all end!!
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Adrian Nessel
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New poll for Kresy-Siberia
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Kresy-Siberia group: Recently Nazi victims of forced labour were paid compensation by German government and industry. Do you think that the families of the deportees to Siberia should also get any compensation for their loss of land and period of forced labour under the Soviets? o No, they have been compensated already o No, they lost that right when they didn't go back to Poland after the War o No, it may not be just but we need to move on with the future o Maybe - but don't know how or from whoMaybe - I need to learn more about this o Yes - from the countries of the former USSR o Yes - from Poland itself o Yes - but don't know how or from who To vote, please visit the following web page: Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! |
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Recent poll
Greetings,
I am wondering whether the process of going to the group web page and "registering" as a Yahoo Groups member in order to see the poll and the messages is causing people any difficulty. Please let me know and I may be able to help. (perhaps you can e-mail me directly not to clog up other people's inboxes!) Regards, Stefan |
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Odp: Recent poll
Wladyslaw Czapski
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I think that will get better. I greet. Wladyslaw Czapski ----- Wiadomosc oryginalna ----- Od: <swisniowski@...> Do: <Kresy-Siberia@...> Wyslano: 2 pazdziernika 2001 08:16 Temat: [Kresy-Siberia] Recent poll Greetings, |
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Re: www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
Ron Bereznicki
Dear Michael:
Thanks for the newsletter, I really appreciate it. Yours truy, Ron B -- ___________________________________________________________________ Noted Military Historian and retired Air Force Captain, Prof. Z. Wesolowski, has 2,000 items of militaria, medals, and books for sale. These items are worth about $250,000 wholesale. Check out the following two websites for more information. ___________________________________________________________________ Noted Economics and Political Science lecturer Miron Rezon has a new book published called "Europe's Nightmare: The Struggle for Kosovo." This book exposes the events that occurred during the 1999 War in Kosovo. The URL is ____________________________________________________________________ |
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compensation
Stefan Wisniowski
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Introducing Jagna Wright
Stefan Wisniowski
It gives me great pleasure and honour to welcome Jagna Wright to the list.
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As you may already know, together with Aneta Naszynska, Jagna produced a very moving TV documentary in English called "A Forgotten Odyssey". If you haven't been to the www.AForgottenOdyssey.com website yet, following is the summary of the film - which is being taken to the Cannes Film Festival next week! -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia "A Forgotten Odyssey" is the story - as told by the survivors - of what |
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Odp: compensation
Wladyslaw Czapski
开云体育My family from 1863 year Ruthenian deport in every generation. Our present LINE {GOVERNMENT} is drawn aside {halves open} from realizations {of} legally valid judgements of court /1996/ See??????? ?????????? " Deported from history" Germany {Germen} for following once pay compensations but not Poland - To Poles. Wladyslaw Czapski
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Kresy Compensation
Stefan Wisniowski
Thanks to Ewa, I have referenced again the recent article on compensation
for Kresy residents who lost their property (not to mention years of - if not all of - their lives) to the Soviets as a result of the War. I should note that "citizens" would include all those deported or displaced during the war who never returned to Poland. I would welcome your feedback on this, especially from Janusz Giedrojc and others dealing with compensation issue. I wonder if it is not "too late" to register a claim, especially as this seems to be heading into a class-action of some kind. Would anybody know how to get in touch with Andrzej Korzeniowski, president of the Polish Society of the Kresy Residents-State Treasury Creditors (Ogólnopolskie Stowarzyszenie Kresowian Wierzycieli Skarbu Panstwa)? Thanks Stefan Here is the article: Warsaw Voice April 1, 2001 No. 13 (649) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ KEEPING PROMISES The Legacy of Relocation Paradoxically, Poland moved westward immediately following World War II, when from a geopolitical point of view Poland entered the sphere of influence of its former eastern neighbor, the Soviet Union. By virtue of a decision made by the time's great national powers, confirmed by pacts in Yalta and Potsdam, the borders of the Polish state were radically changed. Postwar Poland lost its eastern territories, which were incorporated into the Soviet republics of Belarus, Lithuania and Ukraine. In turn, the country gained land which until 1939 had belonged to Germany. The decision made by the "big four" resulted not only in changes of state borders, but also in a huge wave of migration, changing the ethnic make-up and national status in the Kresy, as Poland's former eastern territories are called. The repercussions of those migrations continue to this day. There are many unsettled matters stemming from those times, including the question of indemnities for Polish citizens whose property remained beyond the eastern border. The communist government of postwar Poland, initially formed on the territory of the Soviet Union, aimed to make Poland an ethnically uniform country. The same was true of the objectives of Soviet governments, which sought to rid themselves of the Polish element in Belarus, Lithuania and Ukraine. In order to achieve these ends, in 1944 both parties began organizing great population shifts. During these dislocations, Belarussians and Ukrainians were shipped East within the areas defined by the decisions from Yalta. The East, in turn, saw the displacement of Polish citizens who had lived in the territories which were incorporated into the Soviet state. The agreements with Ukraine and Belarus stated that between Sept. 15 and Oct. 15, 1944, there would be a registration of people willing to resettle, and the process of resettlement would take place between Oct. 15, 1944, and Feb. 1, 1945. The agreement with Lithuania assumed slightly different dates: the registration would be carried out between Oct. 1 and Dec. 31, 1944, and the relocation was supposed to start Dec. 1, 1944 and continue through April 1, 1945. The authorities of the Soviet republics were responsible for the transportation of people, while the costs of transportation were to be divided between the Soviet Union and Poland. The agreements also stated that for Polish citizens dislocated from the Kresy, the indemnity for property left in the East, called zabuz?an?skie (located beyond the Bug River) property, would be paid by the Polish State Treasury . Thus the communist government of Poland relieved the authorities of the Soviet Union from the duty to pay any indemnity to Polish citizens. This was confirmed in protocols supplementing the agreements of 1944, signed in 1947 on behalf of the government of the Republic of Poland. According to the contents of the agreements, this was not supposed to be indemnity as such, but an equivalent payment for property left in the East. This is important, since the word "equivalent" as interpreted by dislocated populations meant the exact equivalent of real estate left behind the eastern border of postwar Poland. The resettlement action from the East took much longer than had been stated in the agreements, and involved 1.7 million Polish citizens. These people were mainly resettled in the western territories of Poland according to its postwar borders. As the "equivalent" that the Polish-Soviet agreements had promised, the people dislocated from the East received former German households in western Poland and urban real estate belonging to the State Treasury. Theoretically, the households and real estate distributed among the newcomers was supposed to be comparable in size to the properties left behind the eastern border. In practice, however, this was difficult or even impossible to implement, especially since the agriculture policy of the communist government stood in the way. The government tried various ways to establish collective farming in the Polish countryside instead of private farming. The distribution of big farms among individual farmers thus contradicted the agriculture policy of the communist authorities. Similar constraints awaited resettled city dwellers, who received urban real estate, but only smaller than 220 sq m, a step down for all those who had left large farms and more valuable real estate beyond the Bug River. The distribution of equivalent property and compensation was coupled with a whole range of executive regulations, hindering the State Treasury's fulfillment of its liabilities to displaced individuals. It's enough to say that indemnity procedures did not concern the simple allocation of specified sums, real estate or land, but incorporated the value of the zabuz?an?skie property, as estimated in the insurance valuation, into the fee for purchasing buildings and land from the State Treasury, as specified by the authorities. In practice, displaced citizens became State Treasury suppliants, and it depended on the decision of bureaucrats whether the value of the zabuz?an?skie property was included in the fee for real estate given as compensation for property lost behind the eastern border. Due to bureaucratic obstacles, unclear interpretations of executive acts and the difficulties in obtaining confirmation from Soviet authorities concerning lost property, the question of indemnities for zabuz?an?skie property was never finalized by the authorities of communist Poland. Even now, a large group of citizens has not received any compensation. The changes brought about in Poland by the events of 1989 revived hopes of solving the lingering problem among displaced people and their descendants. According to estimates by both the government and organizations associating zabuz?an?skie creditors of the Polish State Treasury, there are still around 90,000 petitions for equivalents of property left in the East waiting to be analyzed and processed. "This is more or less the number of petitioners who have not yet been given the chance to satisfy their claims," said Andrzej Korzeniowski, president of the Polish Society of the Kresy Residents-State Treasury Creditors. The State Treasury creditors had hoped that the reprivatization law would solve their problems. The law, however, is a dead issue, leaving the question of indemnity for property left in the East a matter regulated by the previous legislation, which stems from the agreements made in 1944 and 1947. This state of affairs by no means satisfies those dislocated from the East. When vetoing the poorly constructed reprivatization bill, President Aleksander Kwas?niewski advised residents of the Kresy to seek justice in court by bringing an class-action suit against the State Treasury. Displaced people and their descendants say they will follow this advice. "Since the continuity of Polish statehood is valid, and communist Poland was an element of the continuity, it is the duty of today's Third Republic of Poland to fulfill [communist Poland's] liabilities," said Korzeniowski. Krzysztof Renik |
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Re: Kresy Compensation
We had a lot of land in around Czortkow/Biala and quite a extensive
property portfolio in Kopyczynce, all that went up in "smoke" when the Soviets arrived they "gave my ggran a house of sorts, it can be seen on Paul At 04:01 10/04/2001 +1000, you wrote: Thanks to Ewa, I have referenced again the recent article on compensation~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Home page; www.havers-family.co.uk Eastern Borderlands of II RP; www.kresy.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This message has been checked for all known Viruses ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching; Glebowski, Paprocki, Skikiewicz, Szostak ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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