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Hi

Funny, I posted the wrong picture from the Ljunstr?m rig, the intentoin was to post this one. I did it of course for obviouse reasons, to show the difference in design approach. I think Pete used this extreme low aspect ratio because of his experience with "China Moon" whit which he was very far down to the South (below 50°) and the weather conditions there.

Okay to the wishbone rig. As attachment a picture of a wishbone rig on an ECO 75. Here you can see more details. The owner was afraid of the boat. To fast for his liking ?and he gave it away for $ 7800,-!

I have no sailing pictures or a video of the Pelican under sail, not even one! An other time, I had a mobile phone with a weight of 8 kgs. We are now back at 1997 or so. Als I sold the Pelican there where no videos. By the way, in this time you meed some other sailors some where sai in the Aegeis sailing to Istanbul and we back perhaps to Denia (Spain). Sometimes, for a good sip and chat where to go next and never meed them again. I have a lot of pictures from others boats and the will have them from the Pelican. The never got there photos, or I mine. It was the end of the time "bumming" around on boats for almost nothing. We where not interested in videos or photos, we where living our dream of freedome. A long storry for nothing; I know, so, besides this photo, I can show you nothing. I have a complete plan a wishbone rig which I sell as an extra. For good measure I add also an illustration ofte KD 860 wittis rig.?

Cheers

Bernd?

NB.: I life relative far away from the sillivication (no mistake) in a hamlet with now 19 inhabitants. So when I do not answer quick, my slow or many times not working Internetconnection is the reason.

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Von: "StoneTool owly@... [k-designs]"
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Gesendet: 18:54 Sonntag, 26.November 2017
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Bernd:

??? I know the first rig well.... It's Arne's boat Johanna with his cambered junk rig, The second (Dobra Kusa) I believe is a Ljungstr?m rig, though the photo doesn't really show it to best effect with it's double loose footed sails furled about a rotating mast..... A very interesting rig. ? Your photo of Pete's final, or at least third iteration on Oryx, shows great detail of how he built his version of Paul McKay's Aerojunk rig.? I've felt since I first saw photos of Oryx that the aspect ratio was a bit too low, nor could I understand why one would truncate the upper panel, except perhaps to serve as storm canvas, though there are other ways this could be done.?? The beauty of this system is that a nicely cambered sail can be achieved using absolutely flat sailcloth, and the batten system is simple and very strong.? A rugged, and very "field serviceable" rig.? When people comment about windage or drag, one has only to point the veritable birds nest of standing rigging on most Bermuda rigs, and the liabilities it often poses when setting sails and tacking, and that without mentioning the veritable house of cards with dozens of possible points of failure, any of which can bring the whole thing toppling down.?



Ljungstr?m rig

??? I'd love to see a video of your wishbone gaff rig in operation...... I have difficulty really understanding the details of it from the few photos I can find.?? I've read most of your work that is to be found on the Duckworks website, all of which is quite worthwhile reading, and contains some valuable insights.?? I have a passion for innovative, original, and outside the box thinking.?? It's what drives progress forward.?? Sometimes things that didn't work out well are of as much value as things that did, as far as what can be learned from them.?? Your own work only came to my attention through Oryx, and shows the kind of innovative outside the box thinking, good choices, and great flexibility of thought that I've always admired.???


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On 11/26/2017 06:49 AM, Bernd@... [k-designs] wrote:

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?You are rigth, it was not necessary to go into the junk rig details. I am also a memberfrom the Junk Rig Assication. Because there are intersting developments. I like special some of the Norwegian boats with there beautiful champerd sails. I hope also that the discussion was, besides for you, helpful. Thanks for all the contriputions from the others. At last here two pictures from complete different rigs to make my point in this respect.?

Cheers

Bernd