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Another 520 question


Michael Mitchell
 

Bernd:
I was wondering if the 520 could use a standard sloop setup like the Eco 6. I realize the mast placement would be different. I would rig it like the Eco 6. Mighty expensive needing two roller furlers. Otherwise the boat is great.
If I wanted greater abrasion resistance would I use Kevlar on the bottom (Sand and shells abundant).


 

Long ago, before rotomolded kayaks, whitewater kayaks of the day were being torn up from abraision against the river rocks. Abraision comparison tests were done between fiberglass, Kevlar and polyester fabrics.? The clear winner was polyester fabric. Two common examples are Xynole polyester and Dynel. Both of these products surpass kevlar for abraison. Kevlar is better for impact loads but not abraison. Polyester fabrics are much less expensive too.

David Mancebo

On Wednesday, August 11, 2021, 8:45:41 AM PDT, Michael Mitchell <mitchellwm4mm@...> wrote:


Bernd:
I was wondering if the 520 could use a standard sloop setup like the Eco 6. I realize the mast placement would be different. I would rig it like the Eco 6. Mighty expensive needing two roller furlers. Otherwise the boat is great.
If I wanted greater abrasion resistance would I use Kevlar on the bottom (Sand and shells abundant).


 

Hello Michael,?

I suspect Bernd might tell you that if you want the conventional sloop rig you should build the Eco 5.50. The rig and sails are always going to be one of the major costs in building one of these catamarans. I don't think that the twin furling headsail rig should necessarily cost any more than a conventional sloop rig where there are other expenses with boom and the cost of building the more complex mainsail. The mast for the twin headsail rig should be easy to build yourself, and you can save money by doing your own rigging using dyneema shrouds. If I was doing the rig I would have the smaller sail on a wire luff, DIY furler, and look at doing a luff spar furler for the bigger sail, and once again I would try and find a DIY solution. You could also use small continuous line furlers for the sails, which do not cost so much, but you cannot partially furl the sail with a continuous line furler. I think this twin headrail rig would be ideal for a small catamaran being very easy to handle, and is part of the overall 5.20 package.

Always fun to look at all the options.

David


 

As far as roller furling sails go, I remember Bernd saying that it is possible to partially furl a head sail with a wire luff (not a stiff extrusion) if the sail is cut flat enough. My understanding is that you can loosen the outhaul or sheet (depending on if you have a boom or not) a little if you want a little more shape to the sail. I think it might work to partially furl a continuous line furler also if you have each side of the loop running through a cam cleat. You just have to keep some tension on both sides of the line when you partially furl. I don¡¯t have personal experience doing that, but I am considering it for our boat.?

Patrick


 

Hi Mitch
Designing a boat is a complex affair. You have to think abut many things, make a lot of calculations, plus the experience as a designer, and a practicing sailor (since 69 years!) and boat builder play a role.
Then a boat emerges, designed with all these inputs. One of these designs is the 520.
To use a sloop rig for this boat will not work. A mast has a significant down force. How to manage the load in this boat. With another bulkhead, and then, there is no room for anything left.
You had here so many inputs to solve problems. There comes a point, you stick to the plans, or as David mentioned, change to another design. The ECO 5.5 would be then a logical choice.?
Bernd


 

Hi Michael

You then expected already an answer in this direction. Sorry, no way to use a sloop rig. I have no clue how to support the mast.
The roller furler I would make by myself. Top swivels are not expensive. The drums are easy to make. Do not use Aluminum proviles. They are heavy and unreliable
There is a lot of information on the Internet to build them by yourself.?
The information using Keflar in this way is mixed. I can give you no advice in this direction. In any case double the glass fiber on the bottom.

Cheers

Bernd