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Hello everyone!
A quick message from a long term lurker on here. This week was a big week for me in that i finally took the plunge and bought study lans for the eco62 houseboat and the duo900. If you want to skip my waffle there are some questions numbered below that I have been struggling with. Any input greatfully received!
I've been watching the houseboat builds on here and it was just the impetus I needed to actually get started doing something concrete towards my life long ambition to build a tiny (semi-)liveaboard! I was initially planning on building the houseboat because i just LOVE the design and kind of assumed it would be cheaper than a nine meter long sexy beast of a sailing yacht. I have also had many a dream about the duo900 ever since first seeing it four years ago. I am finally in a position where I can put a significant portion of my time and resources into building a boat (I am never diving into academia again!). As I am just starting my career path I do not have savings so the project will have to be financed month by month. Seeing as I am absolutely torn between the two designs (I love them both to pieces but assume the houseboat is more affordable, has lovely big windows, looks mighty comfortable, is adorable, and nice and small for meandering along, but it cant sail. the duo 900 more expensive/time consuming to build, a little less headroom, but possibly the sexiest boat i think I've even seen, and it sails, and has a higher load capacity) I have decided to price both up.
You can probably tell I am still a little undecided. Hence I thought I would study the study plans in depth and see if that makes decisions any easier. It didn't and I've come down to price to build being the determining factor. I can put 20 hours a week into the project and approximately 850 euros a month (I know its uncouth to talk about money but I figured you guys have actually built boats and know if these figures make sense, especially those building boats in the north of the EU). I am hoping to be done with the bare boat in around a year. Furthermore I have basic skills (I have made sheds, built decks, installed plumbing, electricity, insulation etc) but nothing quite on this level yet... but I'm sure that will come with time. Does this sound feasible?
If you have made it this far here are the questions I dont seem to be able to answer for myself:
1. I was looking at the plywood requirements and notices that the sheet size specified was 250x125. I could only find 250x125. I am in the Netherlands does anyone know of a dutch german seller that can supply that size and if not would 250x122 cause a problem (I am imagining so but would love to be proved wrong)
2. I noticed that many of the wood merchants don't seem to sell wood that is planed to the dimensions specified. How do people get around this? Do you mill down from the next size up or something like that?
3. For the dutch speakers here I am trying to find fused silica but seem to be coming up short. What is the Dutch word for fused silica?
4. Where do you build your boats? When I look around where I live I get a bit stumped. I can find garage spaces and the like but they always seem to be too small in at least one dimension. Does anyone have any tips?
Apologies for just suddenly barging on with question after question. I have kind of gotten a tad excited and the questions were coming thick and fast. Any help at all would be most welcome.
Warm regards,
Zachary.
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Hallo
Zachary
Een korte brief, grappjass.
Goed, daar gaan we. De
twee ontwerpen zijn heel verschillend en voor verschillende
toepassingen. Het is een appel vergelijken met een stuk vlees.
Wat
is je plan? Voor een aangenaam leven aan boord is de ECO 62 de juiste
keuze.
Voor snel zeilen is de DUO 900 perfect. Naar het leven
aan boord, minder. Wil je beide, neem dan de ECO 7.5. Een beproefde,
snelle en capabele zeilboot met goede accommodatie.
Multiplex
afmetingen kunnen een beetje irritant zijn. We kochten voor de
Pelican panelen van 2,5 x 1,22 m De punt is 2,5 x 1,25 is een
grappige mix. Komt van de 8 x 4 ft panelen. 4 voet = 1,22 m
Maar
uiteindelijk betekent 3 cm als je 1 laags paneel meer telt
Fused
silica krijg je van Polyserfice onder de naam Aerosol
Hout
kan op elke maat worden gemaakt. Genoeg bedrijven die dat
kunnen.
Tijd om te bouwen. Kijk hier hoe ver de werktijden uit
elkaar liggen. Ik ben ook een zeer snelle werker. Als je kijkt naar
de gegeven werkuren. Deze zijn van mij. Ik kan anderen niet geven,
omdat ik niet iedereen kan beoordelen hoe snel ze kunnen werken.
In
Nederland huurden we normaal gesproken een plek om te bouwen. Ook
voor ons was het een lange zoektocht. Daarnaast vind je hier idee?n.
Veel foto's staan ??hier in de fotomap.
Groetjes Bernd
Le lundi 8 novembre 2021, 00:40:18 UTC+1, Zachary Cawthorne-Nugent via groups.io <zacharycawthornenugent@...> a ¨¦crit :
Hello everyone!
A quick message from a long term lurker on here. This week was a big week for me in that i finally took the plunge and bought study lans for the eco62 houseboat and the duo900. If you want to skip my waffle there are some questions numbered below that I have been struggling with. Any input greatfully received!
I've been watching the houseboat builds on here and it was just the impetus I needed to actually get started doing something concrete towards my life long ambition to build a tiny (semi-)liveaboard! I was initially planning on building the houseboat because i just LOVE the design and kind of assumed it would be cheaper than a nine meter long sexy beast of a sailing yacht. I have also had many a dream about the duo900 ever since first seeing it four years ago. I am finally in a position where I can put a significant portion of my time and resources into building a boat (I am never diving into academia again!). As I am just starting my career path I do not have savings so the project will have to be financed month by month. Seeing as I am absolutely torn between the two designs (I love them both to pieces but assume the houseboat is more affordable, has lovely big windows, looks mighty comfortable, is adorable, and nice and small for meandering along, but it cant sail. the duo 900 more expensive/time consuming to build, a little less headroom, but possibly the sexiest boat i think I've even seen, and it sails, and has a higher load capacity) I have decided to price both up.
You can probably tell I am still a little undecided. Hence I thought I would study the study plans in depth and see if that makes decisions any easier. It didn't and I've come down to price to build being the determining factor. I can put 20 hours a week into the project and approximately 850 euros a month (I know its uncouth to talk about money but I figured you guys have actually built boats and know if these figures make sense, especially those building boats in the north of the EU). I am hoping to be done with the bare boat in around a year. Furthermore I have basic skills (I have made sheds, built decks, installed plumbing, electricity, insulation etc) but nothing quite on this level yet... but I'm sure that will come with time. Does this sound feasible?
If you have made it this far here are the questions I dont seem to be able to answer for myself:
1. I was looking at the plywood requirements and notices that the sheet size specified was 250x125. I could only find 250x125. I am in the Netherlands does anyone know of a dutch german seller that can supply that size and if not would 250x122 cause a problem (I am imagining so but would love to be proved wrong)
2. I noticed that many of the wood merchants don't seem to sell wood that is planed to the dimensions specified. How do people get around this? Do you mill down from the next size up or something like that?
3. For the dutch speakers here I am trying to find fused silica but seem to be coming up short. What is the Dutch word for fused silica?
4. Where do you build your boats? When I look around where I live I get a bit stumped. I can find garage spaces and the like but they always seem to be too small in at least one dimension. Does anyone have any tips?
Apologies for just suddenly barging on with question after question. I have kind of gotten a tad excited and the questions were coming thick and fast. Any help at all would be most welcome.
Warm regards,
Zachary.
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Hello Zachary, ? As a builder of a recently completed Eco 6 sailing catamaran I will try and answer some of your questions. ? - Firstly you have chosen two very different designs, one being a small houseboat which is great for living onboard and cruising rivers. canals and coastal backwaters. The other is a reasonably higher performance yacht which is for a completely different kind of boating. Both boats are great for their intended purpose so it really depends on the kind of boating you want to do. For me I am a sailor and like performance sailing, so I would go for the yacht, but when I get old, I am only 68 at present, the houseboat my suit for some gentle pottering around our coast.
- Plywood sheet size ¨C I would not worry too much about this. Sometimes different manufacturers make their sheets to different sizes. 2400 x 1200 being the traditional standard size, but some make them 2450 x 1250. Sometimes you can also get much longer sheets. But the plywood is all going to be shaped and cut up so the actual sheet size does not matter too much. What does matter is the quality.
- Timber size ¨C You may not be able to get timber to the exact dimensions specified in the plans. For my build I purchased rough sawn timber and dressed it down to size myself. For this it is handy not have some good power tools. A table saw is nice to have, but at least a circular saw, and an electric plane. You also will not be able to get boat length timber so you will probably need to do a lot of scarfing. The important thing, especially in a sailing catamaran where weight is important, is to not go over dimension with the timber sizes, stay with what is specified in the plans.
- Where to build ¨C Ideally as close to home as possible. Building any kind of boat is going to take a lot of hours. At a guess as a first time boatbuilder the Eco62 is going to take you at least two years of part time work, and the larger sailing catamaran probably 3 or more years. If you build full time you will do it in less. The importance of this is that your building location wants to be close to where you live, otherwise it is going to be too hard to actually go and get on with the job. And be warned, it takes a very large amount of dedication, perseverance, and just plain hard work to complete any boatbuilding project.
- Not sure about the fused silica in your part of the world. I just purchase the appropriate WEST system additives which is usually identified as glue powder, filling and fairing powder, or light weight fairing powder.
? Good luck with it, ? David
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Hi Zachary,
Welcome to the boat building excitement! I think if you manage to group your hours to longer periods you will speed up building tremendously. And/Or get a place close to build. Size of wood is not very important. But getting good wood is!? I¡¯m in the Netherlands too and have a duo1000 project that I¡¯m not going to finish. Too many cats and so little time..? But willing to help you get on your way with tips and tricks. You are welcome to visit. If you want to, drop me mail. Cheers Pepijn?
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Op 8 nov. 2021 om 00:37 heeft Zachary Cawthorne-Nugent via groups.io <zacharycawthornenugent@...> het volgende geschreven:
?Hello everyone!
A quick message from a long term lurker on here. This week was a big week for me in that i finally took the plunge and bought study lans for the eco62 houseboat and the duo900. If you want to skip my waffle there are some questions numbered below that I have been struggling with. Any input greatfully received!
I've been watching the houseboat builds on here and it was just the impetus I needed to actually get started doing something concrete towards my life long ambition to build a tiny (semi-)liveaboard! I was initially planning on building the houseboat because i just LOVE the design and kind of assumed it would be cheaper than a nine meter long sexy beast of a sailing yacht. I have also had many a dream about the duo900 ever since first seeing it four years ago. I am finally in a position where I can put a significant portion of my time and resources into building a boat (I am never diving into academia again!). As I am just starting my career path I do not have savings so the project will have to be financed month by month. Seeing as I am absolutely torn between the two designs (I love them both to pieces but assume the houseboat is more affordable, has lovely big windows, looks mighty comfortable, is adorable, and nice and small for meandering along, but it cant sail. the duo 900 more expensive/time consuming to build, a little less headroom, but possibly the sexiest boat i think I've even seen, and it sails, and has a higher load capacity) I have decided to price both up.
You can probably tell I am still a little undecided. Hence I thought I would study the study plans in depth and see if that makes decisions any easier. It didn't and I've come down to price to build being the determining factor. I can put 20 hours a week into the project and approximately 850 euros a month (I know its uncouth to talk about money but I figured you guys have actually built boats and know if these figures make sense, especially those building boats in the north of the EU). I am hoping to be done with the bare boat in around a year. Furthermore I have basic skills (I have made sheds, built decks, installed plumbing, electricity, insulation etc) but nothing quite on this level yet... but I'm sure that will come with time. Does this sound feasible?
If you have made it this far here are the questions I dont seem to be able to answer for myself:
1. I was looking at the plywood requirements and notices that the sheet size specified was 250x125. I could only find 250x125. I am in the Netherlands does anyone know of a dutch german seller that can supply that size and if not would 250x122 cause a problem (I am imagining so but would love to be proved wrong)
2. I noticed that many of the wood merchants don't seem to sell wood that is planed to the dimensions specified. How do people get around this? Do you mill down from the next size up or something like that?
3. For the dutch speakers here I am trying to find fused silica but seem to be coming up short. What is the Dutch word for fused silica?
4. Where do you build your boats? When I look around where I live I get a bit stumped. I can find garage spaces and the like but they always seem to be too small in at least one dimension. Does anyone have any tips?
Apologies for just suddenly barging on with question after question. I have kind of gotten a tad excited and the questions were coming thick and fast. Any help at all would be most welcome.
Warm regards,
Zachary.
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Zachary,? ? ??
1. The size is basically the difference between metric and imperial, so the 122 wide boards have been ordered 4' or 48" by 8' or 96" long. The difference is small and can normally be ignored. When cutting I normally do a nesting in other words I lay them out on the board to get the most economical use of the boards. In other words draw the parts first on paper and move them around for the nesting, I use a computer nesting program I have. Place smaller parts in the cutouts. Decide how you bare going to extend the board. Lapjoint or scarf then you can nest over the joints after it is made. In other words the material become as wide and long as you require. Berndt place the joints normally where it does not interfere with strength. Keep in mind that the joints for side bottom/top side should not be in line but staggered to reduce possible weak spots. Before you start cutting seal boards as per discussions.
2. Wood is sold raw at merchants so you buy a plank that can be cut and planed to give the required dimension. If you can afford it buy a circular saw jointer combination it will help you to process the planks yourself and save time in the long run.
3. Sorry I do not know? I do not think I ever used it and have built two boats.
4. Your build does not have to be fully covered, especially in the beginning. Start in the space you have and start with the smaller parts. Moisture and UV are your enemies when building. The Netherlands is full of farmland and industrial spaces, Talk to friends and family someone may have space for you.
5. Remember to protect yourself from the epoxy itself as well as the dust when sanding. At first you may not be sensitized to epoxy but it will hit you one day out of the blue and the it becomes a pain in the neck. If I have to do epoxy work at the moment I postpone it as long as possible.
6. Ask as much help as you need different perspectives help a lot.
Regards Philip Malanb
On Monday, 8 November 2021, 01:37:18 SAST, Zachary Cawthorne-Nugent via groups.io <zacharycawthornenugent@...> wrote:
Hello everyone!
A quick message from a long term lurker on here. This week was a big week for me in that i finally took the plunge and bought study lans for the eco62 houseboat and the duo900. If you want to skip my waffle there are some questions numbered below that I have been struggling with. Any input greatfully received!
I've been watching the houseboat builds on here and it was just the impetus I needed to actually get started doing something concrete towards my life long ambition to build a tiny (semi-)liveaboard! I was initially planning on building the houseboat because i just LOVE the design and kind of assumed it would be cheaper than a nine meter long sexy beast of a sailing yacht. I have also had many a dream about the duo900 ever since first seeing it four years ago. I am finally in a position where I can put a significant portion of my time and resources into building a boat (I am never diving into academia again!). As I am just starting my career path I do not have savings so the project will have to be financed month by month. Seeing as I am absolutely torn between the two designs (I love them both to pieces but assume the houseboat is more affordable, has lovely big windows, looks mighty comfortable, is adorable, and nice and small for meandering along, but it cant sail. the duo 900 more expensive/time consuming to build, a little less headroom, but possibly the sexiest boat i think I've even seen, and it sails, and has a higher load capacity) I have decided to price both up.
You can probably tell I am still a little undecided. Hence I thought I would study the study plans in depth and see if that makes decisions any easier. It didn't and I've come down to price to build being the determining factor. I can put 20 hours a week into the project and approximately 850 euros a month (I know its uncouth to talk about money but I figured you guys have actually built boats and know if these figures make sense, especially those building boats in the north of the EU). I am hoping to be done with the bare boat in around a year. Furthermore I have basic skills (I have made sheds, built decks, installed plumbing, electricity, insulation etc) but nothing quite on this level yet... but I'm sure that will come with time. Does this sound feasible?
If you have made it this far here are the questions I dont seem to be able to answer for myself:
1. I was looking at the plywood requirements and notices that the sheet size specified was 250x125. I could only find 250x125. I am in the Netherlands does anyone know of a dutch german seller that can supply that size and if not would 250x122 cause a problem (I am imagining so but would love to be proved wrong)
2. I noticed that many of the wood merchants don't seem to sell wood that is planed to the dimensions specified. How do people get around this? Do you mill down from the next size up or something like that?
3. For the dutch speakers here I am trying to find fused silica but seem to be coming up short. What is the Dutch word for fused silica?
4. Where do you build your boats? When I look around where I live I get a bit stumped. I can find garage spaces and the like but they always seem to be too small in at least one dimension. Does anyone have any tips?
Apologies for just suddenly barging on with question after question. I have kind of gotten a tad excited and the questions were coming thick and fast. Any help at all would be most welcome.
Warm regards,
Zachary.
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Hi Zachary
It is very exciting to read about how you have taken the plunge!
To your questions:
1. 2500mmx1220mm plywood is normal. If for some reason you think you have to move the horizontal butt strap stringer because of the plywood, tell Bernd.?
2. You can use a table saw as an easy way to cut your stock into the size you want. The easiest way is to find stock already cut correctly in one dimension. I am not where you are, but I used 25mm x 140mm boards that were straight grained and did not have many knots. Most of the stringers are 25mm x something else, so I only had to cut them once. When I ran out of those, I bought a few 90mm x 90mm thick posts and ripped them with the table saw also. I had to be careful about knots. You can also make a jig to easily make your bevel cuts for your scarph joints. If you can¡¯t find good stock, one last option is to pay for a special order engineered wooden beam. It is like plywood in that it has veneers (layers) but all the grain runs in the same direction. Here it is called laminated veneer lumber, but it is only an option when the other stuff is not available because of the price.?
3. someone else must answer that, but my silica is called Cab-o-sil Fumed Silica M-5 by Cabot.?
4. A place to build is an important challenge. If you have to pay a lot for it, then time is not your friend. You can look for an empty lot and put up a greenhouse, but I think you could make either boat in a long garage. The sail boat you can make one hull at a time in a long narrow space, and the houseboat is only 2500mm wide. Keep looking. The process will help prepare you to solve other challenges with the build that need creative solutions.?
It sounds to me like the first thing you need to do is think deeply for a while about what you really want to do with the boat, as these two boats are quite different and have different needs and give you different opportunities. Clarity there will then clarify the exact needs of your garage or greenhouse.?
I wish you strength and clarity as you take the plunge! Remember this process is a series of challenges that prepare you for bigger challenges ahead.?
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hey Zachary,?
I am dutch but to keep it readable for the rest of the people as well, I will keep it in english.
When it comes to all your glassfibre and filling needs I would like to recommend polyestershoppen.nl, here a direct link to the filling materials:?
For the plywood it is best to contact a woodsupplier like the Arnhemse houthandel:?
If they can't supply you with the right size you can always make a buttstrap or a scarf joint. Buttstraps are easiest but create a less flexible area around the joint, scarf joints seem a bit harder at the start but when you would make a scarfing jig for it(possible for circular saws or routers, whichever you have handy or you prefer) but at the plus side, with a scarfjoint it looks a lot better, is stronger overall and avoid the need for buttblocks.
If you would take a look at zeilersforum.nl, there is a member there that started making his 34 foot catamaran in a 40 foot shipping container, I believe his/her username there is ameezing.
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Welcome on board, Zachary,
1. my planset and studyplan (both February 2017) are stating 2.50 m * 1.22 m so it schould be possible. But better ask Bernd, maybe he has changed it since. (I used 3.10 m * 1.53 m because my supplier was offering only this format.)
2. Same here. I used a table saw do cut the battens I bought to the right dimensions. You won't find every piece of wood you need for this build in proper dimensions from the shelf of your supplier.
3. I'm not a dutch speaker, but the dutch Wikipedia is calling it "Niet-kristallijne (amorfe) siliciumdioxide"?
4. I'm building my boat (Eco 62) in a large tent (8 m * 4 m) in my garden. Not easy but possible.
I have no intention to discourage you, just saying it will cost more and last longer than you think before.
Regards, G¨¹nter
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Hi Zachary,
I'm also building in the Netherlands and got all my plywood from van Styn??.
All epoxy and filling materials come from PolyService like Bernd already said.
Groeten, Jack
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Hi Zachary, I never realised how close the Dutch language is because I can understand every word of Bernd's reply to you. Apart from the boring details about materials he is emphatically advising you to build the Duo 900 catamaran which I also agree with wholeheartedly. It is a great looking boat with usable accomodation and it looks fast just standing still.
Welcome to the forum and best wishes for whichever design you choose
regards
Bryan Cox
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Hallo Bernd,
Hartstikke bedankt voor jouw aandachtig en uitgebreide antwoord op mijn vragen. Inderdaad het was wel een super lange bericht en nadat ik op verzend had gedrukt dacht ik "ja da's geen kort berichtje ? ", excuses daarvoor. Kwa ontwerp, ik had in mijn hoofd dat boven de vier meter te breed was om makkelijk binnenwateren te doorkruisen (ik weet het ik ben een oen en heb net wat Google onderzoek gedaan... en ja hoor als die joekels van acht meter plus er doorheen kunnen dan lukt 4,5m vast en zeker).
maar ja, mijn ideale boot zou een relatief klein boot om in aardig comfort (een plek te zitten, een plek te koken en wassen, een plek om de nodige boodschappen te doen, ergens om te slapen, en ergens om met een paar vrienden te kletsen) op te wonen die ook makkelijk zeilt ( ik ben nog een beginner). Ik was onder de indruk dat dit niet allemaal in ¨¦¨¦n boot kon, maar als ik naar jouw eco 75 kijk... she looks to tick all the boxes!
bedankt voor de extra info wat betreft hout en fused silica. Ik snap alleen niet helemaal de uitleg over multiplex (Nederlands is niet mijn eerste taal) met name deze zin "Maar uiteindelijk betekent 3 cm als je 1 laags paneel meer telt". Zou je deze misschien nogmaals kunnen uitleggen?
Wat het bouwlocatie betreft denk ik dat ik Holger ga na apen en beginnen met de kleinere onderdelen om dan alvast voor te bereiden te zijn voor wanneer ik eindelijk de grotere benodigde ruimte vind. Na jaren erover te hebben gedroomd en gepland zonder iets te doen wordt het eens tijd om daar verandering in te brengen.
Groetjes,
Zachary.
ps: weer zo een korte bericht... dat kort houden daar ben ik niet zo goed in ??
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of nightline@... Sent: Monday, November 8, 2021 12:26 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [K-Designs-Multihull-Sailboats] A couple of questions about calculating building costs ? Hi Zachary,
I'm also building in the Netherlands and got all my plywood from van Styn??.
All epoxy and filling materials come from PolyService like Bernd already said.
Groeten, Jack
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of info@... Sent: Monday, November 8, 2021 6:29 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [K-Designs-Multihull-Sailboats] A couple of questions about calculating building costs ? Welcome on board, Zachary,
1. my planset and studyplan (both February 2017) are stating 2.50 m * 1.22 m so it schould be possible. But better ask Bernd, maybe he has changed it since. (I used 3.10 m * 1.53 m because my supplier was offering only this format.)
2. Same here. I used a table saw do cut the battens I bought to the right dimensions. You won't find every piece of wood you need for this build in proper dimensions from the shelf of your supplier.
3. I'm not a dutch speaker, but the dutch Wikipedia is calling it "Niet-kristallijne (amorfe) siliciumdioxide"?
4. I'm building my boat (Eco 62) in a large tent (8 m * 4 m) in my garden. Not easy but possible.
I have no intention to discourage you, just saying it will cost more and last longer than you think before.
Regards, G¨¹nter
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In my part of the world fused or fumed silica is usualy sold as cabosil. You can also use microfibre for a glue additive which is stronger and does not have the health risk of a silica product. Generaly most light weight filleting additives have some cabosil in it to reduce slump or sag.? Cheers.......Andrew.
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Hello everyone!
I'm really touched that you all took the time and effort to respond and chip in with useful insights, tips, links etc.
Bernd suggested the eco 7.5 and the more I look at it the more in love I fall with it. From the side it kind of reminds me of the fancy speedboat/yachts I used to see in Italy on holidays as a child, and from the front it looks like it's coming for you. Yet inside it has just the accommodations I was looking for, plus the load capacity is almost exactly what I was hoping for as a (semi-) liveaboard. My local geography consists of three decent sized lakes and the famed IJsselmeer connected by not too huge waterways (eyeballed at about 15 meters ish wide). After looking at the study plans for the eco 7.5 it looks like it will just fit the bill in really getting the most out of the lakes and being able to ferry along the waterways between them quite nicely. Plus, with a boat that quick and seaworthy, a lot of distance could be covered when I have more time during the holidays.
I live in the heart of tulip country so will see if I know anyone who knows anyone with a corner in their barn that I could use (thanks for the tip Philip). Thanks Mick and Jack for the links, they definitely helped. The advice about the build location being as close to home as possible was something I'd not taken so seriously but on further thought I can totally see the point and will be making sure I find somewhere close by (or move house to a disused farm ?). With regards the time and cost to build I think I just have to admit that it will take as long as it takes and keep committing time, money and effort while enjoying the process (the whole reason I want to build is because I love the way long physical projects come together piece by piece and at the end of every day you can point to something and say "I did that". When the whole this is done you can see every hour of toil you poured into it to the point where it almost feels like an extension of you.... at least I'm assuming boatbuilding is the same).
Toolwise I'm looking forward to investing in a high powered staple gun (for the plastic staples), and an electric planer. Anyone got any recommendations?
anyway, after keeping it short once more ( I bet I'm singlehandedly making the moderators consider a 140 character limit ?... sorry about that), thanks once again for all the input and encouragement. It is most appreciated.
All the best,
Zachary.
ps: Bryan you're a bad influence... I LIKE IT ??
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Hi Zachary. A rough and ready way to compare cost and construction time between two boats with similar materials is to way to take the weight in kg and multiply it by say 10Eu per kg. i.e. for cost the houseboat will cost say 450kg X 10 = 4500 eu and the cat will cost say 750kg X10eu= 7500eu. add 20% for motor for the houseboat an 40% for rig and sails for the cat. For building time the cat will take 750/450 = 1.66 times longer than the houseboat to build.
The Duo900 cat won't really be suitable for long term living. If you want to sail I would look at the Eco 7.5 which is more suited for long term living (although not ideal) and would cost a similar amount to build but would be a bit slower to sail..
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Hi Zachary,
Be informed that I'm building the ECO 75 ( in extended version) in the Netherlands.
I'm living in Prinsenbeek, Noord-Brabant, if want to have a look at the build, contact me.
Groeten,? Jack
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Hi Philip
As always very good remarks
Thank's for the reminder to work carefully with Epoxy. But Sicomin in France sells now tox-free and Green epoxy. This is no advertisement, I get nothing out of it by the way.
I can subscribe to all your remarks.
The 3 cm remark from me, I made out of fun with a through. 40,66666667 multiplied by 3 cm means 1 plywood panel more
Cheers
Bernd
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Hello Bernd,
Hope you are well. When I read your reply about the three cm I must admit to facepalming myself for having missed that haha. I really love the notion of green epoxy and will definitely be looking that up! Also thanks for the tip Ivan about build costs (I was shocked how close it was to my painstakingly slow totting up I'd done), it certainly helps in sizing things up.
Jack, that is such a lovely offer! If you're willing I would most gratefully like to take you up on that offer. Your insights would be really helpful. Same goes to you Pepijn (I'd missed that in the first read through sorry). It is ever so touching to see how welcoming you all are. Thanks guys.
all the best,
Zachary.?
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Hi Ivan
I like your way to calculate the approximate material costs, thanks.?
Building time is more difficult. Again, use it for comparing.?
Most important, buy the best jigsaw and sander you can afford?
These two can make the biggest difference in the construction time.
Many builders in speed, newcomers would have CNC machine parts cut. Special for the bulkheads.
But this is just the easy part. Lofting for U-section hulls is a bit difficult, but surely not for
chine hulls like all my designs. No difference in the trapezoidal, asymmetric, or multi-chine designs.
Before you have transported your plywood to the CNC shop and collected the cut pieces you have loft and cut out (for example) your bulkheads.
Not talking about the costs you safe when you do it bt yourself
More important is to use the right tools. A very good quality jigsaw and a very good sander. Best a slow-turning, big radius sander.
It is not funny and time-consuming when the Epoxy gets thermoplastic again clocked sanding paper.?
Bernd?
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