Double diminished

#3384

I posted this question to the "justjazz.com" discussion group & got 
no response, so I hope my luck is better here.  My question is: what 
does it mean to play a "double diminished" riff/run?  A pro friend 
(Kenny Rankin's bass player of many years ago) mentioned that I 
should know this concept, but he couldn't explain it well.  My guess 
is that it may have something to do with playing a riff based on 
diminished chord tones, then repeating the riff down 1/2 step (which 
still leaves you within the dinished scale of the original 
chord/arpeggio).  But, then, it may be something altogether 
different, so I am posing the question to the group.  Any 
references/resources on this topic would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Nick

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#3392

--- In jazz_guitar@y..., farnum@f... wrote:
I posted this question to the "justjazz.com" discussion group & got 
no response, so I hope my luck is better here.  My question is: what 
does it mean to play a "double diminished" riff/run?  A pro friend 
(Kenny Rankin's bass player of many years ago) mentioned that I 
should know this concept, but he couldn't explain it well>....> NickNick, I can't find a written reference to "double diminished" but I 
have heard the term used to name the diminished scale that is 
composed of half-step whole-step intervals.  This scale is actually 
two diminished chords one half-step apart.  So the run would be:
B, C, D, Eb, F, Gb, G#, A, B, C.
Just my guess, Bill.

Paul Erlich

#3403

--- In jazz_guitar@y..., wfsilva@a... wrote:
--- In jazz_guitar@y..., farnum@f... wrote:
I posted this question to the "justjazz.com" discussion group & got 
no response, so I hope my luck is better here.  My question is: what 
does it mean to play a "double diminished" riff/run?  A pro friend 
(Kenny Rankin's bass player of many years ago) mentioned that I 
should know this concept, but he couldn't explain it well>....> Nick

Nick, I can't find a written reference to "double diminished" but I 
have heard the term used to name the diminished scaleYes it does -- specifically when the scale is thought of as two 
diminished seventh chords put together. For example, on the piano you 
can play a diminished seventh chord with the left hand and the same 
chord a half-step lower (and usually in some inversion) with the 
right hand -- that's the double diminished chord!

Art Burke

#3411

If they are two fully diminished chords, 1/2 step apart, how about:

B,C,D,Eb,F,Gb,Ab,Bbb,C

Art

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-----Original Message-----
  From: wfsilva@... [mailto:wfsilva@...]
  Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 1:58 AM
  To: jazz_guitar@...
  Subject: [jazz_guitar] Re: Double diminished

  --- In jazz_guitar@y..., farnum@f... wrote:
  > I posted this question to the "justjazz.com" discussion group & got 
  > no response, so I hope my luck is better here.  My question is: 
  what 
  > does it mean to play a "double diminished" riff/run?  A pro friend 
  > (Kenny Rankin's bass player of many years ago) mentioned that I 
  > should know this concept, but he couldn't explain it well>....> Nick

  Nick, I can't find a written reference to "double diminished" but I 
  have heard the term used to name the diminished scale that is 
  composed of half-step whole-step intervals.  This scale is actually 
  two diminished chords one half-step apart.  So the run would be:
  B, C, D, Eb, F, Gb, G#, A, B, C.
  Just my guess, Bill.

Farnum, Nicholas

#3423

Thanks to all who responded on my "double diminished" question.  I think
Paul Erlich's post comes close to what my bass player friend was trying to
tell me - Paul mentioned playing 2 diminished chords 1/2 step apart
simultaneously on piano, but that itsn't possible on guitar, so I believe on
a stringed instrument, one has to alternate between the chord tones of the 2
diminished chords instead.  That sounds similar to what my friend was
saying.
 
Thanks again for the responses.
Nick

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-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Erlich [ mailto:paul@...
<mailto:paul@...> ]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:58 PM
To: jazz_guitar@...
Subject: [jazz_guitar] Re: Double diminished


--- In jazz_guitar@y..., wfsilva@a... wrote:
--- In jazz_guitar@y..., farnum@f... wrote:
I posted this question to the "justjazz.com" discussion group &got
no response, so I hope my luck is better here.  My question is:what
does it mean to play a "double diminished" riff/run?  A profriend
(Kenny Rankin's bass player of many years ago) mentioned that I
should know this concept, but he couldn't explain it well>....>Nick

Nick, I can't find a written reference to "double diminished" but I
have heard the term used to name the diminished scaleYes it does -- specifically when the scale is thought of as two
diminished seventh chords put together. For example, on the piano you
can play a diminished seventh chord with the left hand and the same
chord a half-step lower (and usually in some inversion) with the
right hand -- that's the double diminished chord!

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Double diminished