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I was looking into buying an amp modeler for recording. The majority
of music I will be doing is straight ahead jazz, and I prefer a very
very clean tone. I was recommended the Johnson J Station because it
had better clean tone than the POD or any others. Does anybody here
have any experience with using these in a studio/home/live situation?
Thanks for the input.

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Just my opinion.
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--- Sam <thamiam@...> wrote:

I bought one of these a couple of months ago and use it for home recording.
It's a very impressive little unit and does have some very nice clean tones,
but think along the lines of Stevie Ray Vaughan or Andy Summers from the
Police days rather than Jimmy Bruno or Kenny Burrell. I've found you have to
dial in some effect such as reverb/delay/chorus before the thing starts to
sound good - and this may not be what you're after. Also, the J-Station is
very versatile with lots of heavily distorted rock and roll sounds, acoustic
sounds, and even some bass amp models to choose from. If you're after just
one sound it seems a shame not to spend all your money on just that sound
(then again I'm not aware of anything similar on the market targeted to the
jazz sound). I did manage to get what I thought was a reasonable jazz sound
out of it once, but it took quite a bit of experimenting and tweaking,
whereas good rock and blues sounds are easy to get right out of the box.

I can't compare it to the POD as I haven't tried one, but I noticed that Ted
Vieira, who regularly contributes to this list mentions the POD on the
equipment list on his web site - maybe he'll have some comments?

Anyway - I don't think it's the ideal unit for direct recording a good jazz
sound, but it's not too shabby and you may well find it's about the best
you'll get in this sort of thing anyway. Hope this helps.

Jeff Hackett

jazz_guitar@... wrote:

Original Message:
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:26:25 +1000
From: "Hackett, Jeff" <Jeff.M.Hackett@...>
Subject: RE: Anybody use an amp modeler for recording jazz?

I bought one of these a couple of months ago and use it for home recording.
It's a very impressive little unit and does have some very nice clean tones,
but think along the lines of Stevie Ray Vaughan or Andy Summers from the
Police days rather than Jimmy Bruno or Kenny Burrell. I've found you have to
dial in some effect such as reverb/delay/chorus before the thing starts to
sound good - and this may not be what you're after. Also, the J-Station is
very versatile with lots of heavily distorted rock and roll sounds, acoustic
sounds, and even some bass amp models to choose from. If you're after just
one sound it seems a shame not to spend all your money on just that sound
(then again I'm not aware of anything similar on the market targeted to the
jazz sound). I did manage to get what I thought was a reasonable jazz sound
out of it once, but it took quite a bit of experimenting and tweaking,
whereas good rock and blues sounds are easy to get right out of the box.

It depends on what you're doing of course, but for the most part, it's
generally best to set a sound you want to listen to while playing and actually
record a direct, clean, unaffected guitar. Effects can then be added at will,
and in the case of modern recording equipment, whether it's a Roland VS unit et
al, or computer based DAW (digital audio workstation), there is a large palette
of amp simulators, EQs, and spectral enhancers that will yield whatever you can
imagine and a lot more you can't. :)

Ideally, one would have good gear and record an unaffected instrument, and a
track from a mic in front of the amp, AND a line out from the amp and/or
effects unit(s). Occasionally, I've used a mix of all three in getting at
something interesting... The most maxed out I've gotten was using a VS-1680
synced to a Mac running Logic Audio Platinum, I recorded direct guitar on one
track, the stereo out of my effects unit, and from a GR-30, both the MIDI
output and the stereo audio out. On one song, I used a mix of the whole thing,
and had the MIDI add yet another guitar sound from a Roland keyboard. It was 7
tracks of overkill, but fun. I'll probably never do it again, either. ;)

Regards,
...z


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I have a POD 2, it has a wide range of Amp Models with an excellent choice of Clean and Distorted sounds. The alternatives are the Johnson and the latest Behringer V-Amp. Like any new toy the POD needs some investigation, I have been surprised at how much difference the cabinet selection makes, it's important to experiment and each Amp Model is capable of a diverse range of sounds.

For cleaner sounds the Fender Twin and Roland Jazz Chorus models are a great starting point but some of the 'dirtier' models also clean up well and also tighten up nicely with a smaller cabinet selection, for example a Marshall through a single 12 inch speaker takes on a very different character.

I was sceptical at first, being a valve fan, but I'm a convert now.

Regards

Graham

I'm using a Line 6 POD on stage and I have done some recording with it, but
mostly for funk and R&B. I haven't really found it warm enough to use for
jazz. For everything else, it's great. Especially since I do a lot of Vegas
rooms where the band has to clear all the gear off the stage everynight. So,
when it comes to convenience vs. tone it's a pretty good unit, but for jazz
I'd look for something else. (For jazz gigs I use a Digitech 2101 through a
Mesa 50/50 pwr amp into a Mesa 1x12 closed-back cabinet wich sounds great!)

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