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Polytone MB2, 4 &or Acoustic Image Clarus 1R?
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Juan Carlos Fiallos
I wonder which is the best amp for an archtop, the
polytone minibrute II(12 inch speaker), minibrute IV(15 inch speaker), or the acoustic image clarus 1R?. thanks for all input, JC --- George Hoffmann <ghoffmann@...> escribi: It will be interesting to see what the opinions and __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam gratis! Regstrate ya - |
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Donnie Loeffler
--- In jazz_guitar@..., Juan Carlos Fiallos
<juancarlosfiallos@y...> wrote: I wonder which is the best amp for an archtop, theHI YJJG, remember , the AC clarus 1R is only the amp head, you'll need to outfit the unit with a speaker. Both of these amps , have a decent transistor tone....the clarus is probably a little more versitle, and of course, it's lighter than the polytone, and maybe better quality manufactuered.... I'm a fan of the 10 inch speaker for jazz guitar, nice tight and punchy repsonse with a good amount of balance...that's the reason I really like the roland cube 30...I really recommend the tube preamp for transistor amps especially if you prefer a "classic" jazz sound Donnie Loeffler --- George Hoffmann <ghoffmann@n...> |
transistor tone....the clarus is probably a little more versitle, The Clarus series amps are not versatile, if you mean versatility in terms of being suited for playing other styles of music. They don't take effects well, and have very little in the way of "tone", which is actually why so many jazz guitarists swear by them - they give a very natural, uncolored sound, which can be a bad thing with a solid- body guitar. |
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<steinbergerstyler@y...> wrote: Funny, thats exactly how I'd describe Polytone. I love the sound, buttransistor tone....the clarus is probably a little more versitle, I never managed to get good results with sound effects. But the tone and the reverb is so good, you wont ask for anything more. |
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John Amato
i have a Minibrute IV -- my main ax is a D'Angelico
Excel -- which sounds sweet -- my Epi Emperor sounds super too ... even my Takamine classical electric sounds great ... --- Juan Carlos Fiallos <juancarlosfiallos@...> wrote: I wonder which is the best amp for an archtop, the John Amato Music blows the dust off your soul... Isa.55:11 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 |
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John Amato
I have a Minibrute IV -- i love the tone but the
spring reverb leaves much to be desired -- I added a Boss RV reverb pedal -- and now it cooks .... I never managed to get good results with sound effects. But the tone John Amato Music blows the dust off your soul... Isa.55:11 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 |
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Donnie Loeffler
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<steinbergerstyler@y...> wrote: The versitiltiy of the clarus in comparison to the polytone is:transistor tone....the clarus is probably a little more versitle, 1. clarus has a XLR balanced direct out, polytone doesn't 2. clarus is a amp head , so you can can flexible with speakers...polytone is a combo amp only 3. clarus is much smaller in size and weight, compared to the 40lb. approx. weight of the polytone 4. clarus has better customer and dealer relations than polytone , ask any dealer of polytone, polytone doens't have their own website, someone else operates it, at least the last time I checked... I finally heard a clarus model last year or so...I think it's OK for acoustic bass, but for guitar there is alot more on mkt. for less price that sounds better in my opinion try the crate power block for comparison , especially in price I'm not a advocate of Class D amplication or power supplies Donnie Loeffler |
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Juan Carlos Fiallos
I am getting more confused on this thread...I asked
your opinion regarding getting the best "classic jazz tone" posible using an archtop guitar, remember "archtop guitar" and "classic jazz", I do not want versatility, BUT exclusively for jazz. I mean which is best for a classic jazz tone, using am archtop?. I dont want to play rock or a solidbody. just JAZZ, also I would use as a cabinet the Polytone Acoustic Reflection on it.... Now SHOOT JC --- Donnie Loeffler <morebebop@...> escribi: --- In jazz_guitar@..., __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam gratis! Regstrate ya - |
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Hi Juan,
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The best possible classic jazz tone is a polytone. I use a polytone Mega Brute (not mini). It is the smallest polytone and it has the new sonic circuitry. It allows me to get the best "classic" tone and is very simple. I do not run it through any processors. My guitars include: Eastman 810 CE (17 inch Archtop) Howard Roberts Jazz Fusion (center block) Alvarez Yairi Cy116 Crafters of Tennessee Flat Top Note, I have tried everything from Fenders, to Mesa Boogies, Evans,but always came back to Polytone. There is a reason why so many jazz recordings of substance were made using these amps. --- Juan Carlos Fiallos <juancarlosfiallos@...> wrote: I am getting more confused on this thread...I asked |
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Grahame Peter
I can't resist saying that liking the Polytone tone is a matter of personal
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preference. I had a Polytone Minibrute II for 20 years. Aside from the hassle of blowing fuses and the power supply, I didn't really like the sound. (I bought it because a friend who played professionally told me it was "the" jazz sound; it took me many years to listen more critically.) When I read an article in Jazz Times (I think) describing the Polytone sound as a "goose fart," the light went on inside my head. I'm glad to be rid of it but sorry I didn't sell it to one of the Polytone aficianados who shop on eBay. It was in immaculate condition. Oof! But I really like my Roland Cube 60 (new model) very much, and settled on that after owning Fender, Tech21 and Evans amps. One observation I'd make is that there are amps that sound great at home and have that mellow jazz tone but that can be far too boomy in a gig situation. The jazz tone at home is not necessarily what you want in a multi-purpose amp. The Roland does well for a variety of settings. Cheers, Peter ----- Original Message -----
From: "Vladymir Lamadieu" <v_lamadieu@...> To: <jazz_guitar@...> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [jazz_guitar] Re: Polytone MB2, 4 &or Acoustic Image Clarus 1R? Hi Juan, |
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Scott McLoughlin
Sure, if you want "best CLASSIC jazz tone" and not "best tone",
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go for a Polytone. It's a very recognizable sound from so many recordings. Heck, there's even a Herb Ellis video where at the beginning he tells you how he sets up his tone controls on his Polytone :-) It's really no fussing at all. Just plug in a credible jazz box, put the bass on 2-3 and the treble on 6-7, and the mids hanging right around 5. Use youre guitar's tone control to to the rest. You eventually might find it doesn't make "your" sounds, but it'll definitely make "that" sound. I plug an L4 (occasionally a Sweet 16) into it, which is pretty darned close to an ES 175 - stock except for an ebony replacement bridge, and it just makes "that tone" right out of the box. Pick up a used one if available in your neck of the woods (or on the auction site). Shouldn't set you back too much and you're not likely to be disappointed. I bought one from the early 80's or late 70s and the seller (a pretty well respected seller of used gear in my area) thought that the Poly's from that era were a little more reliable than the more recent ones. Who knows. But it hasn't failed to please yet. Knock wood. Scott Vladymir Lamadieu wrote: Hi Juan, |
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MJU
Polytone - all the way. They have problems form time to time but thay are a work horse of an amp. I have used Fenders, Peaveys and other "jazz" guitar amps - I come back to Polytones too. The closest to the PT out all the amps I have owned is the Peavey Bandit 112. If you are never going to run effect pedals other than a chorus or delay - go with the polytone. It is good enough for Jim Hall - check the polytone site.
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From: "Vladymir Lamadieu" <v_lamadieu@...> To: <jazz_guitar@...> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [jazz_guitar] Re: Polytone MB2, 4 &or Acoustic Image Clarus 1R? Hi Juan, |
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rayray
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From: Vladymir Lamadieu To: jazz_guitar@... Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [jazz_guitar] Re: Polytone MB2, 4 &or Acoustic Image Clarus 1R? Hi Juan, The best possible classic jazz tone is a polytone. Didn't Jim Hall use a tube amp on the "Undercurrent" recording? To me, that's one of the most gorgeous "classic" guitar tones of all times. (Possibly the Gibson GA-50 tube amp, including a mic on the guitar itself?) Then Wes on "Smoking at the Half Note" using a Fender Deluxe tube amp. The Polytone amps are great, but what defines "Classic" jazz tone? I didn't think the solid state amps began to be used widely until the 1970's. Saying that Polytone gives the "best possible classic jazz tone" is sacrilege! :~) Ray |
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rayray
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From: Chris Smart To: jazz_guitar@... Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [jazz_guitar] Re: Polytone MB2, 4 &or Acoustic Image Clarus 1R? Ah, but Ray, some people don't consider it "good tone" unless it's played on a Gibson ES-175 (vintage of course), with flatwound strings, through a Politone. On the other hand, if it works for you and you play what's in your soul, who cares right? :) It's certainly all about the music! Unfortunately, some guys (myself included) get a little too caught up in the gear. I'm all about the sound of an archtop, strung up with flatwounds, plugged into an good amp with a touch of reverb. But I guess my ear must be changing, because the solid state sound of my JC120 has started to sound a bit sterile. I'm craving that raw tube sound of the old Fender amps. Perhaps an old Fender Vibrosonic with a 15" speaker and a fresh set of tubes? Oh no! I'm thinking about the gear again! ;) Ray |
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Chris Smart
HI Ray.
Yeah, my main amp is a tube amp actually, a Traynor YCV-40 1x12" combo. It has 2 6l6's in the power section, and stays quite clean unless you really crank it. I didn't really get it for the dirty channel. It's made pretty solid, has a great price vs performance ratio, not to mention a great warantee from the manufacturer. Now, if only I could get it to not "hssssss" on the otherwise gorgeous clean channel. That seems to be just how it is though. so, great for playing out, but I don't think I could record with it. If you try one in the store and think it comes in at 7 or 7.5/10, 10 being amazing, you can easily boost that rating up a point or more by swapping the speaker and putting better tubes in it. Interesting comment about the Roland. I picked up a Cube 30, mostly to have something much lighter to carry, and I like it's Fender emulation better than the typical "JC Clean" channel, which to me seems a little ... brittle. I've been not so easily enamored with gear lately though. I tried a friends PODXT Live modeling thing the other day, through good headphones, and certainly didn't want to run out and get one. I thought all the options and nice stereo effects would have me drooling, but I didn't even take up the guy on his offer to borrow it for the week. so, I'm getting better... :) Chris |
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From: Chris Smart To: jazz_guitar@... Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [jazz_guitar] Re: Polytone MB2, 4 &or Acoustic Image Clarus 1R? HI Ray. Yeah, my main amp is a tube amp actually, a Traynor YCV-40 1x12" combo. It has 2 6l6's in the power section, and stays quite clean unless you really crank it. I didn't really get it for the dirty channel. It's made pretty solid, has a great price vs performance ratio, not to mention a great warantee from the manufacturer. Now, if only I could get it to not "hssssss" on the otherwise gorgeous clean channel. That seems to be just how it is though. so, great for playing out, but I don't think I could record with it. If you try one in the store and think it comes in at 7 or 7.5/10, 10 being amazing, you can easily boost that rating up a point or more by swapping the speaker and putting better tubes in it. Interesting comment about the Roland. I picked up a Cube 30, mostly to have something much lighter to carry, and I like it's Fender emulation better than the typical "JC Clean" channel, which to me seems a little ... brittle. I've been not so easily enamored with gear lately though. I tried a friends PODXT Live modeling thing the other day, through good headphones, and certainly didn't want to run out and get one. I thought all the options and nice stereo effects would have me drooling, but I didn't even take up the guy on his offer to borrow it for the week. so, I'm getting better... :) Chris Thanks for the tip on the Traynor, I'll have to check it out. Although I think I'm going to go the rebuilt vintage route for the next amp. But enough of that! I need to just get back in the woodshed and work on the music, I'm so easily sidetracked on the whole sound thing! Gotta get back to working on the Sing, Sing, Sing! :) Ray |
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Rick_Poll
I guess I don't get this thread.
The original post asked what amp for the best classic jazz tone. Perhaps the best way to answer a question so subject to interpretation would be as follows. Pick the guitarist whose tone you like best and find out exactly what he uses. Then get exactly the same thing. I wouldn't want to bet that you'd be happy, though. Suppose it's Wes. There a good chance that Wes could get his sound out of almost anything whereas nobody else can get Wes' exact sound even on Wes' own gear. I'm probably exaggerating a bit on both ends here, since Wes was known to be finicky about gear and I have heard guys on the radio I thought were Wes, but there's still a kernal of truth. I think that "classic jazz sound" often refers to Wes or Jim Hall. Some people mention Joe Pass, but I think his tone was often not that great. Just about everybody likes Wes and Jim. Wes got his sound out of an L5 and several different amps. I think the big issue was the thumb, his touch and his voicings. Jim Hall has gotten his sound out of several different guitars and amps over the years and he still sounds like Jim Hall. I think it's his soft touch and his sense of harmony. Rick --- In jazz_guitar@..., "rayray" <rayray@a...> wrote: Clarus 1R? channel. It's made pretty solid, has a great price vs performance ratio,not to mention a great warantee from the manufacturer. Now, if only Itry one in the store and think it comes in at 7 or 7.5/10, 10 beingwhich to me seems a little ... brittle.a friends PODXT Live modeling thing the other day, through goodborrow it for the week. so, I'm getting better... :)Although I think I'm going to go the rebuilt vintage route for the next amp. But enough of that! I need to just get back in the woodshed and work on the music, I'm so easily sidetracked on the whole sound thing! Gotta get back to working on the Sing, Sing, Sing! :)
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