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Wilson,
Is it just me, or does the Byzantine scale you mentioned contain all
the notes from the first few bars of Miserlou (just walking up the
scale, using some serious tremelo)? I think I have a fake book
version of Miserlou somewhere that mentions it is based on a Greek folk
tune. Anyway, its sounds great. I guess my old surf roots are
surfacing. Speaking of which, there is a CD out by Joshua Breakstone
(title: "Walk Don't Run") in which he covers mainly old surf-era tunes
but in a jazz style. It works for me.
Nick

--- In jazz_guitar@..., "nickes345" <farnum@f...> wrote:

Wilson,
Is it just me, or does the Byzantine scale you mentioned contain all
the notes from the first few bars of Miserlou (just walking up the
scale, using some serious tremelo)? I think I have a fake book
version of Miserlou somewhere that mentions it is based on a Greek

folk

tune. Anyway, its sounds great. I guess my old surf roots are
surfacing. Speaking of which, there is a CD out by Joshua Breakstone
(title: "Walk Don't Run") in which he covers mainly old surf-era

tunes

but in a jazz style. It works for me.
Nick

Misirlu, is a Greek-American I guess tune, since it was composed by a
Greek bouzouki player who lived in NY during the 60s or maybe even
earlier. And I think its based on Mixo b13 (D melodic minor from the
fifth), while it can have some outside notes, which are mainly
ornaments, passing tones and all that.

Dimitris

Man, somebody is showing a little age, lol. Used to love the surf
version (Dick Dale, Johnny & the Hurricanes, etc.) of the old Greek
tune Misirlu (or something like that).

Maintain

Marshall

--- In jazz_guitar@..., "nickes345" <farnum@f...> wrote:

Wilson,
Is it just me, or does the Byzantine scale you mentioned contain all
the notes from the first few bars of Miserlou (just walking up the
scale, using some serious tremelo)? I think I have a fake book
version of Miserlou somewhere that mentions it is based on a Greek

folk

tune. Anyway, its sounds great. I guess my old surf roots are
surfacing. Speaking of which, there is a CD out by Joshua Breakstone
(title: "Walk Don't Run") in which he covers mainly old surf-era

tunes

but in a jazz style. It works for me.
Nick

Heck, if you ask me, the metal guys owe a lot of their picking style to the surf guys. Maybe that's why Anthrax did a cover of "Pipeline".

Thank you "Pulp Fiction" for an otherwise uninteresting (at least to me) movie but some great stuff on the soundtrack that my teenage ears had never heard before!

As for "Walk Don't Run", you guys know it was originally a jazz tune by Johnny Smith right? and based on the changes to "Softly as IN a Morning Sunrise"?

Chris

John and Chris
If i am not mistaken I think Howard roberts may also have recorded walk don't
run?
Tony H

--- Chris Smart <chris_s@...> wrote:

As for "Walk Don't Run", you guys know it was
originally a jazz
tune by Johnny Smith right? and based on the changes
to "Softly as
IN a Morning Sunrise"?

Chris,

I read that Johnny Smitth recorded it after he heard
the Ventures do their rock thing ... then he re-did it
as jazz ...

... who's the resident jazz guitar historian that can
verify "who came first..."




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Well, the way I heard it, Johnny Smith wrote it in the 50s. That would pre-date the Ventures version.

--- In jazz_guitar@..., Chris Smart <chris_s@s...> wrote:

Well, the way I heard it, Johnny Smith wrote it in the 50s. That
would pre-date the Ventures version.

The one time I saw him in concert, he mentioned that, and also
mentioned that he based the song on the changes of Softly As A Morning
Sunrise. As an aside, that guy was playing some really good up bebop
single lines, something you don't get at all on any of the recordings
I'd heard. He was playing a blonde real DeAngelico. It was maybe
about 1979 in Blackhawk Colorado.

Clif Kuplen

The one time I saw him in concert, he mentioned
that, and also
mentioned that he based the song on the changes of
Softly As A Morning
Sunrise.

...excellent cliff...

...by any chance, do you happen to have the head for
"Walk Don't Run."

Thanking You In Advance,
John Amato
Isa.55:11
201-348-5142

"All that is necessary for the triumph
of evil is that good men do nothing."
-- Edmund Burke



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--- In jazz_guitar@..., John Amato <jamato316@y...> wrote:

The one time I saw him in concert, he mentioned
that, and also
mentioned that he based the song on the changes of
Softly As A Morning
Sunrise.

...excellent cliff...

...by any chance, do you happen to have the head for
"Walk Don't Run."

I'm afraid not. I don't even know it the right way since like most
people, I learned it from the Ventures. Smith's original had some
different notes. He didn't say so at this time, but it sounds and I
believe I read that he wrote it as a scalar exercise.

Hey, the reason he went into that, was to lead up to this: he had a
student (she was the one who brung me!) who had written an
arrangement segueing two songs he'd put her onto that also had the
same changes - This Masquerade, which was still pretty popular, and
Angel Eyes.

I don't remember the arrangement, but it was nice, with an original
interlude tying the two songs together. I'd played it with her before
attending the concert.

Clif

Thanking You In Advance,
John Amato
Isa.55:11
201-348-5142

"All that is necessary for the triumph
of evil is that good men do nothing."
-- Edmund Burke



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The one time I saw him in concert, he mentioned

that, and also
mentioned that he based the song on the changes

of

Softly As A Morning
Sunrise.

...Cliff,

I have his "Walk ... Run" on a CD of the same name ...
I've been meaning to transcribe it ... it sounds like
he treated it as a scale exercise ... now, the thng is
to find the time .. as you know, when you transcribe
you need time and not to be bothered ... lately those
two things are hard to come by ...

....Cliff ... have you visted my music page ... I
produced 2 CDs over the summer ... on my page I put
some of those samples there:




Thanking You In Advance,
John Amato
Isa.55:11
201-348-5142

"All that is necessary for the triumph
of evil is that good men do nothing."
-- Edmund Burke



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--- In jazz_guitar@..., John Amato <jamato316@y...> wrote:

The one time I saw him in concert, he mentioned

that, and also
mentioned that he based the song on the changes

of

Softly As A Morning
Sunrise.

...Cliff,

I have his "Walk ... Run" on a CD of the same name ...
I've been meaning to transcribe it ... it sounds like
he treated it as a scale exercise ... now, the thng is
to find the time .. as you know, when you transcribe
you need time and not to be bothered ... lately those
two things are hard to come by ...

....Cliff ... have you visted my music page ... I
produced 2 CDs over the summer ... on my page I put
some of those samples there:

I went over there and selected Cherokee, but it's a 5.9 meg download.
It may be my house phone line, but this modem chokes on downloads
that size. Do you have, or would you consider a soundclick page? Us
slow loaders can pick up a lower fi version that streams, like real
audio. I'd like to hear you, but the chances of that download
arriving on this flaky line are pretty small. We're looking into a
cable connection but don't have it yet.

Clif

Thanking You In Advance,
John Amato
Isa.55:11
201-348-5142

"All that is necessary for the triumph
of evil is that good men do nothing."
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Johnny Smith recorded "Walk Don't Run 2 times, the first time in Sept.
1954 on Roost, then later in the mid-sixties on Verve. The Ventures
were actually inspired to do their version from a cover version by Chet
Atkins, probably around 1958 (Chet). They did change the progression
from the minor I-VI-II-V to the descending "Spanish" chords.

Those of you who are fans of virtuoso guitar playing of any bag may
want to check out the box set of Johnny Smith Roost recording on
Mosaic. Keeps me awake nights, he's so damn good.

Ron

Those of you who are fans of virtuoso guitar playing of any bag may
want to check out the box set of Johnny Smith Roost recording on
Mosaic.

Essential...As is, imo, the Tal Farlow box set that was released last year.

Jeff

Hey Nick,

Sorry I missed the thread. Had a 4-day weekend in Savannah, GA for a
wedding and gig.

I think Dimitris has this one down for the scale.

Cool ideas though. May have to check out the Breakstone work!

Wilson

--- In jazz_guitar@..., "jim_9791" <dimitris@d...> wrote:

--- In jazz_guitar@..., "nickes345" <farnum@f...> wrote:

Wilson,
Is it just me, or does the Byzantine scale you mentioned contain

all

the notes from the first few bars of Miserlou (just walking up

the

scale, using some serious tremelo)? I think I have a fake book
version of Miserlou somewhere that mentions it is based on a

Greek

folk

tune. Anyway, its sounds great. I guess my old surf roots are
surfacing. Speaking of which, there is a CD out by Joshua

Breakstone

(title: "Walk Don't Run") in which he covers mainly old surf-era

tunes

but in a jazz style. It works for me.
Nick

Misirlu, is a Greek-American I guess tune, since it was composed by

a

Greek bouzouki player who lived in NY during the 60s or maybe even
earlier. And I think its based on Mixo b13 (D melodic minor from

the

fifth), while it can have some outside notes, which are mainly
ornaments, passing tones and all that.

Dimitris

After this thread last week, I couldn't get the Miserlou tune out of
my head. So last night I just had to play it up the low E string
while trilling (if that's the right term) the open B and sounding
the low E. Then, when the tune goes up a fourth, sounding the open
A string. It really has an eastern sound that way.

Since we only have the western scale, it looks like basically a
diminished scale for the most part.

OK, back to jazz.

Marshall


--- In jazz_guitar@..., "Wilson Adkison"
<openstring2002@y...> wrote:

Hey Nick,

Sorry I missed the thread. Had a 4-day weekend in Savannah, GA for

a

wedding and gig.

I think Dimitris has this one down for the scale.

Cool ideas though. May have to check out the Breakstone work!

Wilson

--- In jazz_guitar@..., "jim_9791" <dimitris@d...>

wrote:

--- In jazz_guitar@..., "nickes345" <farnum@f...>

wrote:

Wilson,
Is it just me, or does the Byzantine scale you mentioned

contain

all

the notes from the first few bars of Miserlou (just walking up

the

scale, using some serious tremelo)? I think I have a fake book
version of Miserlou somewhere that mentions it is based on a

Greek

folk

tune.

Correction: That should read 'play it up the HIGH E string'.

M

-- In jazz_guitar@..., "Wm. Marshall Faircloth"
<mfcpa1@a...> wrote:

After this thread last week, I couldn't get the Miserlou tune out

of

my head. So last night I just had to play it up the low E string
while trilling (if that's the right term) the open B and sounding
the low E. Then, when the tune goes up a fourth, sounding the

open

A string. It really has an eastern sound that way.

Since we only have the western scale, it looks like basically a
diminished scale for the most part.

OK, back to jazz.

Marshall


--- In jazz_guitar@..., "Wilson Adkison"
<openstring2002@y...> wrote:

Hey Nick,

Sorry I missed the thread. Had a 4-day weekend in Savannah, GA

for

a

wedding and gig.

I think Dimitris has this one down for the scale.

Cool ideas though. May have to check out the Breakstone work!

Wilson

--- In jazz_guitar@..., "jim_9791" <dimitris@d...>

wrote:

--- In jazz_guitar@..., "nickes345" <farnum@f...>

wrote:

Wilson,
Is it just me, or does the Byzantine scale you mentioned

contain

all

the notes from the first few bars of Miserlou (just walking

up

the

scale, using some serious tremelo)? I think I have a fake

book

version of Miserlou somewhere that mentions it is based on a

Greek

folk

tune.