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Metheny's sound


 

Right from the man's keyboard:

only thing, i HATE the way "chorus boxes" sound, my sound
is mostly the "straight" 134/digitech line which is behind
me with NO PITCH BEND which gets blended IN THE AIR with
the the two DISCRETE delay pitch bends (which are much
softer than the "straight" amp volume) to get a bigger
sound. i HATE when i hear the "pitch bend" and the straight
mixed together and coming out of the same speaker. it
drives me crazy.


 

I read this somewhere, too, and did not understand it. Can you
explain. He seems to have 3 signals - straight, and the two delayed
pitch bends. As he doesn't want delayed pitch bends mixed with
straight in one speaker, he would have to have 3 amps. Or does he
have straight on one amp, and the two delayed pitch bends coming from
the other. The Yamaha SPX90 patch #23 Mike Stern uses delayed pitch
bends on each stereo channel, each mixed with straight. Seem to be a
lot of possibilities here if you want a fat chorus like sound which
is not stomp box chorus.

Enlightenment welcomed !

John

--- In jazz_guitar@y..., "Michael Crutcher" <Funkifized@h...> wrote:
Right from the man's keyboard:

only thing, i HATE the way "chorus boxes" sound, my sound
is mostly the "straight" 134/digitech line which is behind
me with NO PITCH BEND which gets blended IN THE AIR with
the the two DISCRETE delay pitch bends (which are much
softer than the "straight" amp volume) to get a bigger
sound. i HATE when i hear the "pitch bend" and the straight
mixed together and coming out of the same speaker. it
drives me crazy.


Mark Stanley
 

Metheny explains it in detail at


-mark

--- jclarke1308@... wrote:
I read this somewhere, too, and did not understand
it. Can you
explain. He seems to have 3 signals - straight, and
the two delayed
pitch bends. As he doesn't want delayed pitch bends
mixed with
straight in one speaker, he would have to have 3
amps. Or does he
have straight on one amp, and the two delayed pitch
bends coming from
the other. The Yamaha SPX90 patch #23 Mike Stern
uses delayed pitch
bends on each stereo channel, each mixed with
straight. Seem to be a
lot of possibilities here if you want a fat chorus
like sound which
is not stomp box chorus.

Enlightenment welcomed !

John


--- In jazz_guitar@y..., "Michael Crutcher"
<Funkifized@h...> wrote:
Right from the man's keyboard:

only thing, i HATE the way "chorus boxes" sound,
my sound
is mostly the "straight" 134/digitech line which
is behind
me with NO PITCH BEND which gets blended IN THE
AIR with
the the two DISCRETE delay pitch bends (which
are much
softer than the "straight" amp volume) to get a
bigger
sound. i HATE when i hear the "pitch bend" and
the straight
mixed together and coming out of the same
speaker. it
drives me crazy.


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Andy
 

In a message dated 8/22/01 1:58:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jclarke1308@... writes:


Thanks for the tip about the Metheny site - lots to read
there. How can anyone doubt he is the 'Main Man' of jazz
guitar in the last 20 years ?
I can doubt it. I think he is great, but I wouldn't give him
THAT label. If anyone should ge that label it should be Jim
Hall.

Just my $.02

Andy


 

Thanks for the tip about the Metheny site - lots to read
there. How can anyone doubt he is the 'Main Man' of jazz
guitar in the last 20 years ?

I recently got an old secondhand SPX90 to play with, and the
use of delays and pitch shifting does generate a different
type of chorus to that on, say, a Boss pedal. Here a
modulated pitch variation on one channel is mixed with the
dry signal. The two pitches being mixed 'beat' to produce
the chorus, but the beat frequency is varying continuously.
Sounds awful in mono, OK in stereo.

With a digital delay/pitch shifter, L has some delay and
fixed pitch shift. R has some delay, and a different pitch
shift. Together with the dry, you then have 3 pitches
beating with each other, so it sounds thicker, but only
works in stereo.

John

--- In jazz_guitar@y..., Mark Stanley <bucketfullopuke@y...> wrote:
Metheny explains it in detail at


-mark

--- jclarke1308@h... wrote:
I read this somewhere, too, and did not understand
it. Can you
explain. He seems to have 3 signals - straight, and
the two delayed
pitch bends. As he doesn't want delayed pitch bends
mixed with
straight in one speaker, he would have to have 3
amps. Or does he
have straight on one amp, and the two delayed pitch
bends coming from
the other. The Yamaha SPX90 patch #23 Mike Stern
uses delayed pitch
bends on each stereo channel, each mixed with
straight. Seem to be a
lot of possibilities here if you want a fat chorus
like sound which
is not stomp box chorus.

Enlightenment welcomed !

John


--- In jazz_guitar@y..., "Michael Crutcher"
<Funkifized@h...> wrote:
Right from the man's keyboard:

only thing, i HATE the way "chorus boxes" sound,
my sound
is mostly the "straight" 134/digitech line which
is behind
me with NO PITCH BEND which gets blended IN THE
AIR with
the the two DISCRETE delay pitch bends (which
are much
softer than the "straight" amp volume) to get a
bigger
sound. i HATE when i hear the "pitch bend" and
the straight
mixed together and coming out of the same
speaker. it
drives me crazy.


Patricio Murphy
 

Thanks for the tip about the Metheny site - lots to read
there. How can anyone doubt he is the 'Main Man' of jazz
guitar in the last 20 years ?
I can doubt it. I think he is great, but I wouldn't give him
THAT label. If anyone should ge that label it should be Jim
Hall.
Can ANYBODY receive THAT label?

Patricio


Mark Stanley
 

What about we're all "the man"?
-Mark


--- Andy <Awseyler@...> wrote:

In a message dated 8/22/01 1:58:54 PM Eastern
Daylight Time,
jclarke1308@... writes:


Thanks for the tip about the Metheny site - lots
to read
there. How can anyone doubt he is the 'Main Man'
of jazz
guitar in the last 20 years ?
I can doubt it. I think he is great, but I wouldn't
give him
THAT label. If anyone should ge that label it
should be Jim
Hall.

Just my $.02

Andy


JohnL
 

Metheny is not the Main Man......he's not even close.
I'm not sure who is, but he sure as hell isn't. His tunes are
good, but thats it!


"Happyness is a Dream, Maddness is Reality, but you've got a couple options" - A Wise Man


 

Are you kidding? Have you heard Pat on "Rejoicing", "Question And Answer", or "Like Minds"? If Pat isn't "the man", whatever that is, he's certainly one of the main forces in jazz today.

Mike Crutcher
Guitarist/Vocalist/Arranger/Instructor
Available for sessions/fill-ins/performances/private lessons.

"You've Got To Funkifize"
-Tower Of Power



From: JohnL <banjology@...>
Reply-To: jazz_guitar@...
To: jazz_guitar@...
Subject: Re: [jazz_guitar] Re: Metheny's sound
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:27:07 -0700 (PDT)

Metheny is not the Main Man......he's not even close.
I'm not sure who is, but he sure as hell isn't. His tunes are
good, but thats it!


"Happyness is a Dream, Maddness is Reality, but you've got a couple options" - A Wise Man
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JohnL
 

Hey Mike......All I have to say is ...."each on to his own"
John

"Happyness is a Dream, Maddness is Reality, but you've got
a couple options" - A Wise Man


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Could be an interesting debate. Make it the last 50 years
and I would agree - Jim Hall, but it would be a close thing
with Wes.

I think Jim Hall did his best stuff pre-1980, and if we are
looking at the last 20 years, which is Metheny's period,
then in terms of influence, creativity, and innovation, then
I think over this period he is stronger than Jim Hall.
However, my personal preferences in this period are John
Scofield and Mike Stern, but I would not put them forward
for THAT title.

John