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Pat Martino's Star System


Graham Cox
 

Hi Fellow Listers,

I am new to this group and I'm a jazz guitarist based in Sydney,
Australia.

Would anybody be able to enlighten me on Pat Martino's Star System (
I think it's called)

TIA

Graham Cox


 

It's explained By Pat himself on his web site:
under the 'Nature of the Guitar'
link. Follow the links at the bottom of the pages, it's
around page 3 or 4.

-Dan

--- In jazz_guitar@y..., Graham Cox <jazzguitar@o...> wrote:
Hi Fellow Listers,

I am new to this group and I'm a jazz guitarist based in Sydney,
Australia.

Would anybody be able to enlighten me on Pat Martino's Star
System (I think it's called)

TIA

Graham Cox


Ross Ingram
 

Re:Dan
Always appeciate your entries.To add to everyones
delemia, if you reach the star you will see groups of four
tones at all clock positions (12o'clock,1o'clock etc.).Look
at the tones in each group as being either top,right,bottom
or left.If you go around the master circle clockwise while
at the same time changing the position circles at the same
time you get some beautiful mathematics.(T-R-B-L)=aug.
chord.(T-L-B-R) whole-scale.(T-B-T-B) circle of 5th's.Some
players talk about looking at every chord as being some form
of an dominant chord the master scale being the chromatic.I
think the main thing intended in Pat Martino's star is the
mathematical beauty.The triangle and the square also have
the the same tones if you superimpose them on a chromatic
cycle (like Pat did) or a conventional cycle of 5th's.
Ross
----- Original Message -----
From: dan@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:04 PM
To: jazz_guitar@...
Subject: [jazz_guitar] Re: Pat Martino's Star System

It's explained By Pat himself on his web site:
under the 'Nature of the Guitar'
link. Follow the links at the bottom of the pages, it's
around page 3 or 4.

-Dan


--- In jazz_guitar@y..., Graham Cox <jazzguitar@o...> wrote:
Hi Fellow Listers,

I am new to this group and I'm a jazz guitarist based in Sydney,
Australia.

Would anybody be able to enlighten me on Pat Martino's Star
System (I think it's called)

TIA

Graham Cox


 

--- In jazz_guitar@y..., dan@d... wrote:
It's explained By Pat himself on his web site:
under the 'Nature of the Guitar'
link. Follow the links at the bottom of the pages, it's
around page 3 or 4.
Okay Graham, now that you're _thoroughly_ by Martino's musical
mysticism... ;-)

I'll explain _half_ of Martino's chord-building system, the
diminished half. You can work out the augmented half on your own.
Martino says that to build four-note chords up and down the neck in
all inversions on all string-combinations, you must learn the
diminished chord forms on all string combinations (1234, 2345, 3456,
1345, 1456, etc.).

Diminished chords (1-b3-b5-bb7) are symmetric so you can use the same
diminished chord form three frets (a minor 3rd) up or down the neck
to get a different inversion of the same diminished chord. Now if
you slide any one note down from that diminished chord you get a
dominant-seventh chord.

For example, C dim is C-Eb-Gb-A (or C-D#-F#-A). Slide up three frets,
a minor 3rd and you get Eb-Gb-A-C which is both Cdim/Eb and Ebdim.
Lower the C and you get B7 (B-D#-F#-A). Lower the Eb and you get D7.
Lower the Gb and you get F7. Lower the A and you get Ab7.

Okay, using all combinations of strings you can now make a tremendous
number of dom7 chords in all inversions. Next learn to alter those
dom7 chords to create all the other chord forms (m7, 6, m7b5, 9,
etc.). Now wherever your hands happen to be, you're less than three
frets away from _any_ chord you need. (In theory. In practice you
may need Martino's long fingers to play some of those chords.)

This means you can choose an area of the neck and just sit there,
making smooth transitions through the changes. Or you can use your
new knowledge to contruct elegant little chord melodies.

I've never been able to do this in real time on the bandstand. But
I've found it useful occasionally when working out chord
progressions. Generally these days, I just apply my knowledge of
harmony and of the fretboard to construct new chords from scratch.

However, there are many roads to Rome and this one's Pat's. Maybe it
will be yours as well.

Cheers,
Kevin
www.TheNettles.com


Graham Cox
 

Thanks Kevin for taking the time to explain.

It all makes perfect sense now.

Cheers,

Graham

From: kevinj@...
Reply-To: jazz_guitar@...
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:45:57 -0000
To: jazz_guitar@...
Subject: [jazz_guitar] Re: Pat Martino's Star System

--- In jazz_guitar@y..., dan@d... wrote:
It's explained By Pat himself on his web site:
under the 'Nature of the Guitar'
link. Follow the links at the bottom of the pages, it's
around page 3 or 4.
Okay Graham, now that you're _thoroughly_ by Martino's musical
mysticism... ;-)

I'll explain _half_ of Martino's chord-building system, the
diminished half. You can work out the augmented half on your own.
Martino says that to build four-note chords up and down the neck in
all inversions on all string-combinations, you must learn the
diminished chord forms on all string combinations (1234, 2345, 3456,
1345, 1456, etc.).

Diminished chords (1-b3-b5-bb7) are symmetric so you can use the same
diminished chord form three frets (a minor 3rd) up or down the neck
to get a different inversion of the same diminished chord. Now if
you slide any one note down from that diminished chord you get a
dominant-seventh chord.

For example, C dim is C-Eb-Gb-A (or C-D#-F#-A). Slide up three frets,
a minor 3rd and you get Eb-Gb-A-C which is both Cdim/Eb and Ebdim.
Lower the C and you get B7 (B-D#-F#-A). Lower the Eb and you get D7.
Lower the Gb and you get F7. Lower the A and you get Ab7.

Okay, using all combinations of strings you can now make a tremendous
number of dom7 chords in all inversions. Next learn to alter those
dom7 chords to create all the other chord forms (m7, 6, m7b5, 9,
etc.). Now wherever your hands happen to be, you're less than three
frets away from _any_ chord you need. (In theory. In practice you
may need Martino's long fingers to play some of those chords.)

This means you can choose an area of the neck and just sit there,
making smooth transitions through the changes. Or you can use your
new knowledge to contruct elegant little chord melodies.

I've never been able to do this in real time on the bandstand. But
I've found it useful occasionally when working out chord
progressions. Generally these days, I just apply my knowledge of
harmony and of the fretboard to construct new chords from scratch.

However, there are many roads to Rome and this one's Pat's. Maybe it
will be yours as well.

Cheers,
Kevin
www.TheNettles.com