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Re: Midi Guitar specifically for Jazz #MIDI


 

Kenn,

Quick reply: among the things that make "jazz" "jazz" (and I'm painting with a really wide brush) are European instruments and song forms coupled with African polyrhythms and improvisation. I also strongly believe true "jazz" has its roots in the blues, but that's a discussion for another day...?

I respectfully disagree; jazz guitar has evolved and grown over time. Guitar-wise, Pat Martino, eg, is very "evolved" from someone like Eddie Lang or Charlie Christian and McLaughlin or Holdsworth are quite evolved from early jazz guitar pioneers. Labels are a convenient and easy way to try to categorize or provide a framework for organizing things in music, much like when you go to the supermarket, where the aisles are stocked in a certain way. They also make it easier to make music more "generic" for marketing purposes. The same way you wouldn't go into a Japanese restaurant expecting to find pizza, you might pick up a "jazz" record and not expect to hear punk or mariachi.

I think if you take a step back you might find jazz guitar has evolved, and at a pretty respectable pace, but as I said before, the instrument has its limitations. Think about it: with perhaps the exception of keyboards and the advent of the synthesizer, pretty much all other instruments played in jazz music are still the same, no? What "evolves" is the music; the instruments are just a way to express it, imo.

Oh, and I can't stand mariachi music, or barbershop q'tet, for that matter. ;)

Cheers,
JV

Juan Vega



-----Original Message-----
From: kenn@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, Dec 12, 2022 4:12 am
Subject: Re: [Jazz-Guitar] Midi Guitar specifically for Jazz

When I earned to play Guitar, I was 13 years old and living a remote part of the Highlands Of Scotland. My mother played Piano and I tunes the guitar to an open chord and then just worked out chord sounds by listening to folks like The Beatles on the Radio. (we did not have the luxury of a TV.?
What you said about the popularist side of Guitar was very true in my youth (back in the 1960's) whilst I made Jazz boxes for others I was never really good enough to be able to play Jazz. But this has got me to thinking of what is it that makes Jazz, Jazz?
who is it that says it has to be played this way or that way? I played folk music but I played it in a bit of a rock style so that got pigeon holes as Folk
Is there such a genre as Jazz Folk or Jazz Country and I not why not? Why do we have to play within set boundaries set by people who died 100 years before our birth?
When Elvis Presley started out he would tour with the "Louisiana Hayride" which was labelled at the time American Folk and then later it was called Country Music. Now country music in Scotland is nothing like what you would imagine Country Music to be it is closer to folk than country almost a regression. Does garth Brooks play Country music and if so what makes it so. as far as I am concerned Garth brooks is on the side of Light Rock or Pop music.?
At the end of the day we all play Music. Each country has its on sub genres of that title. Surely music is what feels sympathetic to our individual hearing. A guitar is a Genre of instrument which all date back to the 15th Century when the vihuela, and before that there would have been instruments like the Dulcimer and the Lyre. A simple stringed instrument with a soundbox. It evolved into the basic modern day shape which is still evolving. There still remains some argument between who made the first electric guitar some say George Beauchamp and Adolf Rickenbacker who came up with the "Frying Pan Electric Guitar" Strangely this was adopted by Jazz Guitarists and really was nothing more than an early Lap Steel, more commonly used by Country Guitarists these days.
What this tells me is that at the start of the Jazz era early guitarists were happier to try new technology than they are today. Jazz musicians were experimenters not just with sound but with instruments and scales. What was Jazz in the 1930's would probably be referred to as Blues or swing by NON jazz players these days.
I would never call myself a great guitarist. I would however lay claim to knowing the mechanics of a guitar and how to generate differing tones by choice of wood. ie the Denser the wood the brighter the tone the deeper the body on an acoustic guitar the deeper the tone. brightness comes from the neck and the upper bout depth comes from the table and the lower bout. Take a listen to a Mariachi band? where the tones are separated from tenor to bass. Is there any reason for the F holes in an electric guitar? thats a whole other argument.?
So in conclusion to this reply I have still the question WHAT makes Jazz, Jazz and why will Jazz Musicians not evolve as the other Genre's have?

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