开云体育

When Mr. Woodhouse dies, am I correct that the most likely inheritance will
be that Emma and Isabella will inherit Hartfield 50:50, and further, if
they are each then married to a Knightley, then their husbands will, as
husbands, inherit what their wives just inherited, and therefore the
Knightley brothers will in that scenario own both Hartfield and Donwell
Abbey 50:50 between them?

ARNIE

My understanding is that that is the default for how things would turn out,
but that in Mr. Woodhouse's will or in the daughters' marriage contracts
they could specify otherwise.


On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 2:01?PM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

When Mr. Woodhouse dies, am I correct that the most likely inheritance will
be that Emma and Isabella will inherit Hartfield 50:50, and further, if
they are each then married to a Knightley, then their husbands will, as
husbands, inherit what their wives just inherited, and therefore the
Knightley brothers will in that scenario own both Hartfield and Donwell
Abbey 50:50 between them?

ARNIE

--

<>
Stephanie Vardavas
stephanievardavas.com
<>
Specializing
in product safety and regulatory compliance for consumer products, as well
as licensing and sports marketing, including sponsorships and endorsements.
Also supporting nonprofits and simple trademark registrations. Office hours
12n - 5 pm M-F and by appointment. Pronouns: she/her/hers

*This email may be confidential and privileged. If you have received it in
error, please respond to advise sender of the error and then delete the
email and any attachments. Thank you.*

Thanks, Stephanie, sounds right to me. In the few minutes since my post, I
also found this, which is in conformity with your and my understandings:

“Pride, Prejudice, and the Threat to Edward Knight’s Inheritance” by
Christine Grover

Persuasions Online #35 2014

“Daughters inherited in common—that is, the estate was shared among them.
In *Emma*, Hartfield is shared equally between Emma and Isabella. On
marriage, unless barred by the marriage settlement, the husband became the
legal owner of his wife’s assets, so there was also a need to deter fortune
hunters like Wickham.”

Arnie,

Why would the Knightley’s share the Donwell Abbey estate equally? As the oldest brother, wouldn’t George Knightley inherit the entire estate whereas John Knightley would inherit some other interests?

Liz Anne

Why do you think that John is older?

On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 3:04?PM Liz Anne Potamianos via groups.io
<lizannepotamianos@...> wrote:

Arnie,

Why would the Knightley’s share the Donwell Abbey estate equally? As the
oldest brother, wouldn’t George Knightley inherit the entire estate whereas
John Knightley would inherit some other interests?

Liz Anne

On Jan 10, 2025, at 5:17?PM, Arnie Perlstein via groups.io

<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

Thanks, Stephanie, sounds right to me. In the few minutes since my post,

I

also found this, which is in conformity with your and my understandings:

“Pride, Prejudice, and the Threat to Edward Knight’s Inheritance” by
Christine Grover

Persuasions Online #35 2014

“Daughters inherited in common—that is, the estate was shared among them.
In *Emma*, Hartfield is shared equally between Emma and Isabella. On
marriage, unless barred by the marriage settlement, the husband became

the

legal owner of his wife’s assets, so there was also a need to deter

fortune

hunters like Wickham.”

On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 2:13?PM Stephanie Vardavas wrote:
My understanding is that that is the default for how things would turn

out,

but that in Mr. Woodhouse's will or in the daughters' marriage contract
they could specify otherwise.

When Mr. Woodhouse dies, am I correct that the most likely inheritance
will be that Emma and Isabella will inherit Hartfield 50:50, and

further,

if they are each then married to a Knightley, then their husbands will,
as husbands, inherit what their wives just inherited, and therefore the
Knightley brothers will in that scenario own both Hartfield and
Donwell Abbey 50:50 between them?
ARNIE

--

<>
Stephanie Vardavas
stephanievardavas.com
<>
Specializing
in product safety and regulatory compliance for consumer products, as well
as licensing and sports marketing, including sponsorships and endorsements.
Also supporting nonprofits and simple trademark registrations. Office hours
12n - 5 pm M-F and by appointment. Pronouns: she/her/hers

*This email may be confidential and privileged. If you have received it in
error, please respond to advise sender of the error and then delete the
email and any attachments. Thank you.*

//Mr. Knightley, a sensible man about seven or eight-and-thirty, was not
only a very old and intimate friend of the family, but particularly
connected with it, as the elder brother of Isabella’s husband.//

On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 3:12?PM Stephanie Vardavas <vardavas@...>
wrote:

Why do you think that John is older?

On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 3:04?PM Liz Anne Potamianos via groups.io
<lizannepotamianos@...> wrote:

Arnie,

Why would the Knightley’s share the Donwell Abbey estate equally? As the
oldest brother, wouldn’t George Knightley inherit the entire estate whereas
John Knightley would inherit some other interests?

Liz Anne

On Jan 10, 2025, at 5:17?PM, Arnie Perlstein via groups.io

<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

Thanks, Stephanie, sounds right to me. In the few minutes since my

post, I

also found this, which is in conformity with your and my understandings:

“Pride, Prejudice, and the Threat to Edward Knight’s Inheritance” by
Christine Grover

Persuasions Online #35 2014

“Daughters inherited in common—that is, the estate was shared among

them.

In *Emma*, Hartfield is shared equally between Emma and Isabella. On
marriage, unless barred by the marriage settlement, the husband became

the

legal owner of his wife’s assets, so there was also a need to deter

fortune

hunters like Wickham.”

On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 2:13?PM Stephanie Vardavas wrote:
My understanding is that that is the default for how things would turn

out,

but that in Mr. Woodhouse's will or in the daughters' marriage contract
they could specify otherwise.

When Mr. Woodhouse dies, am I correct that the most likely inheritance
will be that Emma and Isabella will inherit Hartfield 50:50, and

further,

if they are each then married to a Knightley, then their husbands will,
as husbands, inherit what their wives just inherited, and therefore the
Knightley brothers will in that scenario own both Hartfield and
Donwell Abbey 50:50 between them?
ARNIE

--


<>
Stephanie Vardavas
stephanievardavas.com
<> Specializing
in product safety and regulatory compliance for consumer products, as well
as licensing and sports marketing, including sponsorships and endorsements.
Also supporting nonprofits and simple trademark registrations. Office hours
12n - 5 pm M-F and by appointment. Pronouns: she/her/hers

*This email may be confidential and privileged. If you have received it in
error, please respond to advise sender of the error and then delete the
email and any attachments. Thank you.*

--

<>
Stephanie Vardavas
stephanievardavas.com
<>
Specializing
in product safety and regulatory compliance for consumer products, as well
as licensing and sports marketing, including sponsorships and endorsements.
Also supporting nonprofits and simple trademark registrations. Office hours
12n - 5 pm M-F and by appointment. Pronouns: she/her/hers

*This email may be confidential and privileged. If you have received it in
error, please respond to advise sender of the error and then delete the
email and any attachments. Thank you.*

Stephanie, Liz Anne did say that George was the elder.

Liz Anne, that's an excellent question, I was careless. I was thinking
about Emma worrying that if George marries Jane F (and then has children),
that would disinherit John's sons out of Donwell Abbey. And to your point,
if George has a male child, then that means that George must be the owner.
I think.

Interestingly we never hear about Isabella having an income the way Emma
has 30,000 per year.

ARNIE



ARNIE

On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 3:14?PM Stephanie Vardavas via groups.io <vardavas=
[email protected]> wrote:

//Mr. Knightley, a sensible man about seven or eight-and-thirty, was not
only a very old and intimate friend of the family, but particularly
connected with it, as the elder brother of Isabella’s husband.//

On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 3:12?PM Stephanie Vardavas <vardavas@...>
wrote:

Why do you think that John is older?

On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 3:04?PM Liz Anne Potamianos via groups.io
<lizannepotamianos@...> wrote:

Arnie,

Why would the Knightley’s share the Donwell Abbey estate equally? As the
oldest brother, wouldn’t George Knightley inherit the entire estate

whereas

John Knightley would inherit some other interests?

Liz Anne

On Jan 10, 2025, at 5:17?PM, Arnie Perlstein via groups.io

<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

Thanks, Stephanie, sounds right to me. In the few minutes since my

post, I

also found this, which is in conformity with your and my

understandings:

“Pride, Prejudice, and the Threat to Edward Knight’s Inheritance” by
Christine Grover

Persuasions Online #35 2014

“Daughters inherited in common—that is, the estate was shared among

them.

In *Emma*, Hartfield is shared equally between Emma and Isabella. On
marriage, unless barred by the marriage settlement, the husband became

the

legal owner of his wife’s assets, so there was also a need to deter

fortune

hunters like Wickham.”

On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 2:13?PM Stephanie Vardavas wrote:
My understanding is that that is the default for how things would turn

out,

but that in Mr. Woodhouse's will or in the daughters' marriage

contract

they could specify otherwise.

When Mr. Woodhouse dies, am I correct that the most likely

inheritance

will be that Emma and Isabella will inherit Hartfield 50:50, and

further,

if they are each then married to a Knightley, then their husbands

will,

as husbands, inherit what their wives just inherited, and therefore

the

Knightley brothers will in that scenario own both Hartfield and
Donwell Abbey 50:50 between them?
ARNIE

We never hear of Isabelle's income because it went to John years ago and is
probably set to go to younger spons and daughters.
It is mentioned or suggested that John Knightley has a financial interest
in the estate along with advising his brother on legal matters. When Mr.
Woodhouse dies the house will go to Emma and her sister. It will likely be
aramnged that it would be wholly John's and Isabelle's and the Abbey will
be Knightey's and his sons At the time, unless property was left with
strict restrictions, it became the property of a woman's husband. John has
a house in town but his son might not want to be a lawyer/


On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 6:32?PM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

Stephanie, Liz Anne did say that George was the elder.

Liz Anne, that's an excellent question, I was careless. I was thinking
about Emma worrying that if George marries Jane F (and then has children),
that would disinherit John's sons out of Donwell Abbey. And to your point,
if George has a male child, then that means that George must be the owner.
I think.

Interestingly we never hear about Isabella having an income the way Emma
has 30,000 per year.

ARNIE



ARNIE

On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 3:14?PM Stephanie Vardavas via groups.io
<vardavas=
[email protected]> wrote:

//Mr. Knightley, a sensible man about seven or eight-and-thirty, was not
only a very old and intimate friend of the family, but particularly
connected with it, as the elder brother of Isabella’s husband.//

On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 3:12?PM Stephanie Vardavas <vardavas@...>
wrote:

Why do you think that John is older?

On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 3:04?PM Liz Anne Potamianos via groups.io
<lizannepotamianos@...> wrote:

Arnie,

Why would the Knightley’s share the Donwell Abbey estate equally? As

the

oldest brother, wouldn’t George Knightley inherit the entire estate

whereas

John Knightley would inherit some other interests?

Liz Anne

On Jan 10, 2025, at 5:17?PM, Arnie Perlstein via groups.io

<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

Thanks, Stephanie, sounds right to me. In the few minutes since my

post, I

also found this, which is in conformity with your and my

understandings:

“Pride, Prejudice, and the Threat to Edward Knight’s Inheritance” by
Christine Grover

Persuasions Online #35 2014

“Daughters inherited in common—that is, the estate was shared among

them.

In *Emma*, Hartfield is shared equally between Emma and Isabella.

On

marriage, unless barred by the marriage settlement, the husband

became

the

legal owner of his wife’s assets, so there was also a need to deter

fortune

hunters like Wickham.”

On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 2:13?PM Stephanie Vardavas wrote:
My understanding is that that is the default for how things would

turn

out,

but that in Mr. Woodhouse's will or in the daughters' marriage

contract

they could specify otherwise.

When Mr. Woodhouse dies, am I correct that the most likely

inheritance

will be that Emma and Isabella will inherit Hartfield 50:50, and

further,

if they are each then married to a Knightley, then their husbands

will,

as husbands, inherit what their wives just inherited, and therefore

the

Knightley brothers will in that scenario own both Hartfield and
Donwell Abbey 50:50 between them?
ARNIE

Sorry the message went off before I could cut the extensive quote.
Many sources and even instructors speak of women of the time having no
rights. Though women were more circumscribed than men , mostly by their
families and not by the laws, it was married women who lost their very
identity and being in marriage. In some cases they could even be excused
of committing a crime if they could convince a jury that their husband made
them do it.
Mr. Woodhouse does not appear to be one to depart much from tradition so
though he didn't like how marriage took females away from home,he was
unlikely to do anything except leave his estate and money to his daughters
in equal shares which would then be divided by the husbands. As Knightley
already has the Abbey, it is only reasonable for John to have the House.
Mr. Woodhouse doesn't appear to have much estate other than the house with
money in the funds.
Nancy

Does Mr Woodhouse even have a will? He's terrified of death.
Many people are afraid to make a will because it means
they have to think about death.
Would it make a difference if he died intestate?

If he had a marriage settlement when he married, then the provisions of it
would be followed. Without that or a will, the girls are the legal heirs/
John Knightley is a barrister. I like to think he works in Chancery and the
Church courts. Which ever courts he works in he would know about wills or
know men who do know about them and would have everything handled to suit
the daughters.
Nancy

On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 5:27?PM Tamar Lindsay via groups.io <dicconf=
[email protected]> wrote:

Does Mr Woodhouse even have a will? He's terrified of death.
Many people are afraid to make a will because it means
they have to think about death.
Would it make a difference if he died intestate?