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Ellen health bulletin

 

?For what it¡¯s worth, Ellen, I was sincerely acknowledging that ultimately it¡¯s your own life to live. I was glad Tamar gave you that advice, I joined in it, trying to give you the benefit of my own medical experience (my physical therapist helped me avoid back surgery 5 years ago), but beyond that, you are the captain of your own ship.

I wasn¡¯t condescending or judging, but I know online it¡¯s hard sometimes to tell the difference. I hope things get better for you.

Arnie

On Oct 27, 2024, at 10:20?AM, Ellen Moody via groups.io <ellen.moody@...> wrote:

?To Arnie, I can't resist replying I should have guessed you'd end up
condescending and judging. E.M.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 12:38?PM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:
It is indeed your life to live.
Arnie
On Oct 27, 2024, at 8:37?AM, Ellen Moody via groups.io <ellen.moody@...> wrote:
?I do what is in my character to do --
Ellen
On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 8:02?PM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:
Thank you, Tamar, for giving Ellen that good advice to be proactive (and I would add, to ask her loved ones to be proactive on Ellen's behalf) - our health care system responds to the squeaky wheel, and it neglects those who
don't push for more attention and better care.
I would also suggest getting a referral to a physical therapist to assess your condition, Ellen, and perhaps figure out exercises you could be doing my regularly that would preserve and improve your physical capacities.
Hang in there, Ellen.
ARNIE
On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 4:32?PM Tamar Lindsay via groups.io <dicconf=
[email protected]> wrote:
I am not a doctor nor anything medical.
That said, my opinion is that you need a second opinion. From a different set of doctors, in a different hospital.
Tell them someone else suggested it might be ischemic, and _ask_ what they think. Also ask what their Plan is for the continuing weakness and lack of use of the leg. Be sure to use the word "plan" - I hear that it has significant meaning in a medical context.
This all advice I have seen for getting past the blinkers and egos.


Ellen health bulletin

 

For what it¡¯s worth, Ellen, I was sincerely acknowledging that ultimately it¡¯s your own life to live. I was glad Tamar gave you that advice, I joined in it, trying to give you the benefit of my own medical experience (my physical therapist helped me avoid back surgery 5 years ago), but beyond that, you are the captain of your own ship.

I wasn¡¯t condescending or judging, but I know online it¡¯s hard sometimes to tell the difference. I hope things get better for you.

Arnie

On Oct 27, 2024, at 10:20?AM, Ellen Moody via groups.io <ellen.moody@...> wrote:

?To Arnie, I can't resist replying I should have guessed you'd end up
condescending and judging. E.M.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 12:38?PM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

It is indeed your life to live.

Arnie

On Oct 27, 2024, at 8:37?AM, Ellen Moody via groups.io <ellen.moody@...> wrote:
?I do what is in my character to do --

Ellen

On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 8:02?PM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

Thank you, Tamar, for giving Ellen that good advice to be proactive (and I would add, to ask her loved ones to be proactive on Ellen's behalf) - our health care system responds to the squeaky wheel, and it neglects those who
don't push for more attention and better care.

I would also suggest getting a referral to a physical therapist to assess your condition, Ellen, and perhaps figure out exercises you could be doing my regularly that would preserve and improve your physical capacities.

Hang in there, Ellen.

ARNIE

On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 4:32?PM Tamar Lindsay via groups.io <dicconf=
[email protected]> wrote:

I am not a doctor nor anything medical.
That said, my opinion is that you need a second opinion. From a different set of doctors, in a different hospital.
Tell them someone else suggested it might be ischemic, and _ask_ what they think. Also ask what their Plan is for the continuing weakness and lack of use of the leg. Be sure to use the word "plan" - I hear that it has significant meaning in a medical context.

This all advice I have seen for getting past the blinkers and egos.


Re: Ellen health bulletin

 

To Arnie, I can't resist replying I should have guessed you'd end up
condescending and judging. E.M.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 12:38?PM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

It is indeed your life to live.

Arnie

On Oct 27, 2024, at 8:37?AM, Ellen Moody via groups.io <ellen.moody@...> wrote:

?I do what is in my character to do --

Ellen

On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 8:02?PM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

Thank you, Tamar, for giving Ellen that good advice to be proactive (and I would add, to ask her loved ones to be proactive on Ellen's behalf) - our health care system responds to the squeaky wheel, and it neglects those who
don't push for more attention and better care.

I would also suggest getting a referral to a physical therapist to assess your condition, Ellen, and perhaps figure out exercises you could be doing my regularly that would preserve and improve your physical capacities.

Hang in there, Ellen.

ARNIE

On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 4:32?PM Tamar Lindsay via groups.io <dicconf=
[email protected]> wrote:

I am not a doctor nor anything medical.
That said, my opinion is that you need a second opinion. From a different set of doctors, in a different hospital.
Tell them someone else suggested it might be ischemic, and _ask_ what they think. Also ask what their Plan is for the continuing weakness and lack of use of the leg. Be sure to use the word "plan" - I hear that it has significant meaning in a medical context.

This all advice I have seen for getting past the blinkers and egos.




Ellen health bulletin

 

It is indeed your life to live.

Arnie

On Oct 27, 2024, at 8:37?AM, Ellen Moody via groups.io <ellen.moody@...> wrote:

?I do what is in my character to do --

Ellen

On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 8:02?PM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

Thank you, Tamar, for giving Ellen that good advice to be proactive (and I would add, to ask her loved ones to be proactive on Ellen's behalf) - our health care system responds to the squeaky wheel, and it neglects those who
don't push for more attention and better care.

I would also suggest getting a referral to a physical therapist to assess your condition, Ellen, and perhaps figure out exercises you could be doing my regularly that would preserve and improve your physical capacities.

Hang in there, Ellen.

ARNIE

On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 4:32?PM Tamar Lindsay via groups.io <dicconf=
[email protected]> wrote:

I am not a doctor nor anything medical.
That said, my opinion is that you need a second opinion. From a different set of doctors, in a different hospital.
Tell them someone else suggested it might be ischemic, and _ask_ what they think. Also ask what their Plan is for the continuing weakness and lack of use of the leg. Be sure to use the word "plan" - I hear that it has significant meaning in a medical context.

This all advice I have seen for getting past the blinkers and egos.


Re: Ellen health bulletin

 

I do what is in my character to do --

Ellen

On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 8:02?PM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

Thank you, Tamar, for giving Ellen that good advice to be proactive (and I
would add, to ask her loved ones to be proactive on Ellen's behalf) - our
health care system responds to the squeaky wheel, and it neglects those who
don't push for more attention and better care.

I would also suggest getting a referral to a physical therapist to assess
your condition, Ellen, and perhaps figure out exercises you could be doing
regularly that would preserve and improve your physical capacities.

Hang in there, Ellen.

ARNIE



On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 4:32?PM Tamar Lindsay via groups.io <dicconf=
[email protected]> wrote:

I am not a doctor nor anything medical.
That said, my opinion is that you need a second opinion.
From a different set of doctors, in a different hospital.
Tell them someone else suggested it might be ischemic, and
_ask_ what they think. Also ask what their Plan is for the
continuing weakness and lack of use of the leg.
Be sure to use the word "plan" - I hear that it has significant
meaning in a medical context.

This all advice I have seen for getting past the blinkers and egos.








Ellen health bulletin

 

Thank you, Tamar, for giving Ellen that good advice to be proactive (and I
would add, to ask her loved ones to be proactive on Ellen's behalf) - our
health care system responds to the squeaky wheel, and it neglects those who
don't push for more attention and better care.

I would also suggest getting a referral to a physical therapist to assess
your condition, Ellen, and perhaps figure out exercises you could be doing
regularly that would preserve and improve your physical capacities.

Hang in there, Ellen.

ARNIE



On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 4:32?PM Tamar Lindsay via groups.io <dicconf=
[email protected]> wrote:

I am not a doctor nor anything medical.
That said, my opinion is that you need a second opinion.
From a different set of doctors, in a different hospital.
Tell them someone else suggested it might be ischemic, and
_ask_ what they think. Also ask what their Plan is for the
continuing weakness and lack of use of the leg.
Be sure to use the word "plan" - I hear that it has significant
meaning in a medical context.

This all advice I have seen for getting past the blinkers and egos.





Re: Ellen health bulletin

 

I am not a doctor nor anything medical.
That said, my opinion is that you need a second opinion.
From a different set of doctors, in a different hospital.
Tell them someone else suggested it might be ischemic, and
_ask_ what they think. Also ask what their Plan is for the
continuing weakness and lack of use of the leg.
Be sure to use the word "plan" - I hear that it has significant
meaning in a medical context.

This all advice I have seen for getting past the blinkers and egos.


Re: Ellen health bulletin

 

Indeed. This is not the first time after a bout in an American
hospital emergency room, people have offered to put me in a cab when I
was clearly not up to it.
I'm sure there is nothing unusual about me. Ellen

On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 11:08?AM Nancy Mayer via groups.io
<regencyresearcher@...> wrote:

Glad you are still posting, but sad and concerned for the weakness you
feel. It is really the pits to feel insecure when walking.

Nancy







Re: Ellen health bulletin

 

Glad you are still posting, but sad and concerned for the weakness you
feel. It is really the pits to feel insecure when walking.

Nancy




Ellen health bulletin

 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ellen Moody <ellen.moody@...>
Date: Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 8:05?AM
Subject: Ellen health bulletin
To: [email protected] Group Moderators
<[email protected]>, <[email protected]>


Thank you to Rory. Yesterday I had an unexplained relapse. i felt
stiff, my left leg detached, not working, sudden soreness, i could
talk, but slower. i called Kaiser, they called 911. after several
hours & tests, the emergency folk & staff ascertained i hadn't had a
stroke. So i was sent home.

i've lost ground over larger mobility. my left leg struggles to do its
part. so too the left hand. neither had recovered properly. luckily i
can read and will carry on, but probably post less -- shorter rather
than fewer (I hope). i look forward today all the more to Dr Thorne
for an umpteenth time, part of chapter 3 of Il Gattopardo. An English
friend is coming to visit, and i have one nice zoom on Manhattan
nightlife in the 1950s, and my Thursday evening chat via zoom with
autistic friends (40 minutes). this weekend I'll start the Italian
version by Visconti. I will now not watch both.

i will carry on with Winifred Holtby and my women's studies (Susan
Hill just nw still on that landing with Howard's End on her lap.

so I'm here, grateful as ever for everyone's friendship. a bit of a
headache now, off to et porridge

Love and friendship as Austen called one of her books
Ellen

On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 4:07?AM Susan B via groups.io
<smbiddle15@...> wrote:

Many thanks, Rory, for passing on this message

I'm glad to hear that it was not another stroke, and that Ellen is now home again - hopefully with all the support she needs. Please do pass on my very best wishes to her, and tell her I will be thinking of her and wishing her well, when you are in touch with her.

Best wishes, and thank you
Susan

On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 at 09:03, Rory O'Farrell via groups.io <ofarrwrk@...> wrote:

Ellen has asked me to inform all that she was in Alexandria Emergency Room with a suspected stroke. Later they decided she was no having one and has been returned home.

She says (now returned home) that "These inexplicable things happen"; she is weaker, more trouble walking and will try to arrange private physio therapy.

I am sure we all wish her well, and will understand if she posts infrequently at present.


--
Rory O'Farrell <ofarrwrk@...>





Re: My 2024 AGM report

 

I'll add that the third day I listened to Prof Keymer's paper. It dazzled by its erudition, but all he could (for that is al there is evidence for) is take tiny details of description which suggest Austen knew something of the archeaological work ladies of her class followed in magazines and journals. The problem here is a number come from set pieces that read like published picturesque writing of the type Charlotte Smith skewered as cliched. In other words, there is a lot less flattering explanation for some of the unusual writing found in Persuasion. Like some of the literary criticism found in Sanditon, it might be there because the work is unfinished, and Austen had no chance to cut it (as she did with the 4 novels she published in her lifetime and the fair copy she made of Lady Susan.

As to the rest of the AGM, the livestream was very effective in conveying the mood and literally some of the in person feel -- much more than the 2 years I did manage to reach virtual sessions. It seemed to me remarkably the same as it's ever been since the first time I went in 1997 -- down to the alternatives offered on the night of the ball, what function the banquet served, the parade, the breakfast. So I was relieved I was not there then for these non-session times are to me long empty times with nothing for me to do. I could see the same tour activities went on too

Ellen


P.S. Re: My 2024 AGM report

 

That other speaker Saturday evening whose name eluded me earlier was Katie Childs, exec dr of Chawton House - not the Bath Austen Museum.

Arnie

On Oct 21, 2024, at 3:03?PM, Arnie Perlstein <arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

?
DIANA: "Glad to hear the conference was one of the best, Arnie - would you kindly tell a bit more, such as what were some of the "best" things about it?"

Hi Diana!

Will you be coming to Baltimore next year, I hope???

Let's see.... (and I wonder if anyone else in this group was there too?)

First, it was lovely hanging out with friends like Jenny Allan, Constance Vidor, friends from PDX, and others who I chatted with briefly, like Sarah Emsley, Elaine Bander, etc -- an exceptionally friendly vibe overall, and very well organized - nothing went wrong.

I had assembled a wonderful banquet table, despite some folks having to cancel attending due to family tragedy -the table included some the above-named friends plus a couple of first timers who were lovely, who responded to my notice on the AGM Hoot Board.

There were playoff baseball games going on not far from the hotel on Friday and Saturday evenings, and an induction of a bunch of Boomer rockers into the RocknRoll Hall of Fame just next door, so there were some music celebrities staying at the Hilton alongside the Janeites. And there was a football game probably no more than 4 blocks from the Hotel at the stadium situated on the shore of Lake Erie on Sunday as well - Cleveland was very busy.

Then after the Sunday brunch, Constance Jenny and I met up with Diane and Roger Reynolds, who drove for hours just to make that happen - that was very special, as I've known Diane for 17 years, but we never met in person before. We all had a really great time.

Among the plenaries, my favorites by far were Peter Sabor (very thorough job re Burney-Ausgen connections) and Patricia Matthew (passionately arguing for opening up JASNA and Jane Austen studies to POC);

In the middle, Susan Allen Ford was very competent and professional, but not much new to me in her content.

On the other side of the coin, I didn't get much at all out of either Amanda Vickery or Tom Keymer, their talks did not deliver what the title of their talks promised, at least as far as I was concerned.

Lizzy Dunforth from Chawton House did a great job on Thursday in a special session presenting some exciting new stuff she has been studying for a while - a little pamphlet that JEAL created, apparently as a young teen, called Tales from Fairy-Land, but which Lizzy believes was perhaps a transcription of Tales told by Jane Austen to her nieces and nephews. I immediately found that persuasive, and I pointed out to her during the Q&A that when Miss Bates arrives at the Crown Inn and then, inter alia, says to Emma "This is just like fairy-land; such a transformation", that this is clearly a broad wink at the title of JEAL's booklet, plus the title of one of the 5 Tales. Lizzy had been speculating about possible echoes between the booklet and Austen's novels. I also quickly found some other stuff relating to Austen family fairy tales that further corroborates Lizzy's theory that these stories came in some form from JA herself. So very exciting.

Lizzy also promised that the transcription of Frank Ausgen's memoir (that I was one of a lot of volunteers for) should be online by year end. I bet it contains some surprises relating to the Austen family biography - i gathered it was released to the public finally whe Frankj's descendant, also named Frank Austen, died earlier this year at 99.

The Saturday night ball was hugely attended as usual, and there was also a nice ad hoc session for non-dancers with Lizzy, Amanda Vickery, Hillary Davidson, and Mary ___ (blanking on her name) from another of the Austen heritage sites (JA museum in Bath, I think) fielding Austen bio and life & times questions reo domestic stuff, fashion, Austen family history, etc.

I realized during that talk that JA did not go to Godmersham at all for 4 years between 1809 and 1813 - and the panel were saying that JA was basically the breadwinner for the Chawton Cottage unit - so I am guessing it was CEA who was always at Godmersham during those 4 years - why it changed after that is anybody's guess - maybe after publishing S&S and P&P, JA had hit a groove where she could continue writing even when visiting Godmersham for extended visits?

Among the breakout sessions I saw, the following were great (but obviously I only saw the ones I saw):

This was excellent, very thorough, very creative thinking, and perfectly delivered:
A5. Melissa Anderson, Southern Oregon University
Jane Austen and France: Everyday Life in Times of War and Revolution

Jane Austen¡¯s family was deeply affected by the events of the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars, and yet France is largely absent from her work. This talk examines the ways that France does show up in her writings and investigates how everyday life in Regency England would have been shaped by the wars. Using concepts drawn from the work of Michel de Certeau, it explores how Austen¡¯s focus on the domestic sphere may have been an intentional choice to validate the lives of women, who were profoundly affected by the wars and yet whose voices were absent from political discourse.



This also was excellent, very thorough, informative and professionally delivered:

B1. Dr. Christine Kenyon Jones, Virtual Region
Jane Austen and Lord Byron: Literature, Politics, and Culture

Building on her book, Jane Austen and Lord Byron: Regency Relations, Dr. Kenyon Jones considers these authors side-by-side. He was a famous celebrity, while she was a country parson¡¯s daughter writing anonymously. He was educated at Harrow and Cambridge, while she was almost entirely home-schooled. He participated directly in national and international politics as a member of the House of Lords, whereas she lacked even the right to vote. This talk explores these major differences, but also considers how Austen¡¯s and Byron¡¯s lives, interests, work, and sense of humor often brought them within touching distance in Regency England.



Jocelyn Harris is always first rate, this is probably the 5th or 6th time I've seen her speak at an AGM:

D3. Jocelyn Harris, University of Otago
Jane Austen and Mme de Sta?l

Germaine de Stael was a celebrated philosopher, woman of letters, and political theorist, and more famous than Austen in her time. Why did Jane Austen refuse to meet her? If the invitation came from Lord Holland¡¯s glittering salon, its politics might have put her off. Or did she simply resist being displayed? Scandal surrounded Sta?l, yet in 1808 Austen recommended her novel Corinne (1807) to a male acquaintance. In Emma, Jane Austen seems to agree with Sta?l about traditional restrictions on women, with Emma acting as a comic Corinne while Jane Fairfax barely escapes Corinne¡¯s fate. With heroes like Mr Knightley in short supply, whose world is more realistic, Sta?l¡¯s or Austen¡¯s?



I also heard from a couple of people that this was really great by Collins, very detailed research:

D5. Collins Hemingway, Southern Oregon Region
Riots & Insurrections: Social and Political Unrest in Austen¡¯s Time

This session explores the social, political, and religious upheavals of the Regency era and their causes, including constant agitation by citizens for political representation, protests over industrial automation that forced down wages, and frustrations over high-level corruption and other abuses by the ruling class. The wealthy drove the government to repress the voices of citizens, who pushed back both peacefully and violently. Efforts to overthrow the government were met with political trials and executions, and two famous poets narrowly avoided arrest for sedition. The talk shows how Austen refers to major issues in a way that avoids risks for herself.



And this was also very professional and entertaining, although there was nothing in her actual content that I didn't already know:

E1. Linda Zionkowski, Central and Western Ohio Region

Austen and the Comedy of Complaint

While Austen¡¯s novels censure characters who are truly insensible to the pains, misfortunes, and feelings of others, those disturbed by a poorly-cooked meal or a drafty window fall into her group of whiners. This well-populated category of individuals is distinctive to Austen¡¯s fiction, but not unique among critiques of sensibility in her time: James Beresford¡¯s wildly popular treatise, The Miseries of Human Life (1806), portrays the art of whining in all its varieties. We will explore how Beresford¡¯s focus on complainers offered a model for a wholly original source of comedy¡ªone that Austen incorporated to perfection in her work.


My 2024 AGM report

 

DIANA: "Glad to hear the conference was one of the best, Arnie - would you
kindly tell a bit more, such as what were some of the "best" things about
it?"

Hi Diana!

Will you be coming to Baltimore next year, I hope???

Let's see.... (and I wonder if anyone else in this group was there too?)

First, it was lovely hanging out with friends like Jenny Allan, Constance
Vidor, friends from PDX, and others who I chatted with briefly, like Sarah
Emsley, Elaine Bander, etc -- an exceptionally friendly vibe overall, and
very well organized - nothing went wrong.

I had assembled a wonderful banquet table, despite some folks having to
cancel attending due to family tragedy -the table included some the
above-named friends plus a couple of first timers who were lovely, who
responded to my notice on the AGM Hoot Board.

There were playoff baseball games going on not far from the hotel on Friday
and Saturday evenings, and an induction of a bunch of Boomer rockers into
the RocknRoll Hall of Fame just next door, so there were some music
celebrities staying at the Hilton alongside the Janeites. And there was a
football game probably no more than 4 blocks from the Hotel at the stadium
situated on the shore of Lake Erie on Sunday as well - Cleveland was very
busy.

Then after the Sunday brunch, Constance Jenny and I met up with Diane and
Roger Reynolds, who drove for hours just to make that happen - that was
very special, as I've known Diane for 17 years, but we never met in person
before. We all had a really great time.

Among the plenaries, my favorites by far were Peter Sabor (very thorough
job re Burney-Ausgen connections) and Patricia Matthew (passionately
arguing for opening up JASNA and Jane Austen studies to POC);

In the middle, Susan Allen Ford was very competent and professional, but
not much new to me in her content.

On the other side of the coin, I didn't get much at all out of either
Amanda Vickery or Tom Keymer, their talks did not deliver what the title of
their talks promised, at least as far as I was concerned.

Lizzy Dunforth from Chawton House did a great job on Thursday in a special
session presenting some exciting new stuff she has been studying for a
while - a little pamphlet that JEAL created, apparently as a young teen,
called Tales from Fairy-Land, but which Lizzy believes was perhaps a
transcription of Tales told by Jane Austen to her nieces and nephews. I
immediately found that persuasive, and I pointed out to her during the Q&A
that when Miss Bates arrives at the Crown Inn and then, inter alia, says to
Emma "This is just like fairy-land; such a transformation", that this is
clearly a broad wink at the title of JEAL's booklet, plus the title of one
of the 5 Tales. Lizzy had been speculating about possible echoes between
the booklet and Austen's novels. I also quickly found some other stuff
relating to Austen family fairy tales that further corroborates Lizzy's
theory that these stories came in some form from JA herself. So very
exciting.

Lizzy also promised that the transcription of Frank Ausgen's memoir (that I
was one of a lot of volunteers for) should be online by year end. I bet it
contains some surprises relating to the Austen family biography - i
gathered it was released to the public finally whe Frankj's descendant,
also named Frank Austen, died earlier this year at 99.

The Saturday night ball was hugely attended as usual, and there was also a
nice ad hoc session for non-dancers with Lizzy, Amanda Vickery, Hillary
Davidson, and Mary ___ (blanking on her name) from another of the Austen
heritage sites (JA museum in Bath, I think) fielding Austen bio and life
& times questions reo domestic stuff, fashion, Austen family history, etc.

I realized during that talk that JA did not go to Godmersham at all for 4
years between 1809 and 1813 - and the panel were saying that JA was
basically the breadwinner for the Chawton Cottage unit - so I am guessing
it was CEA who was always at Godmersham during those 4 years - why it
changed after that is anybody's guess - maybe after publishing S&S and P&P,
JA had hit a groove where she could continue writing even when visiting
Godmersham for extended visits?

Among the breakout sessions I saw, the following were great (but obviously
I only saw the ones I saw):

This was excellent, very thorough, very creative thinking, and perfectly
delivered:
A5. Melissa Anderson, Southern Oregon UniversityJane Austen and France:
Everyday Life in Times of War and Revolution

Jane Austen¡¯s family was deeply affected by the events of the French
Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars, and yet France is largely absent from
her work. This talk examines the ways that France does show up in her
writings and investigates how everyday life in Regency England would have
been shaped by the wars. Using concepts drawn from the work of Michel de
Certeau, it explores how Austen¡¯s focus on the domestic sphere may have
been an intentional choice to validate the lives of women, who were
profoundly affected by the wars and yet whose voices were absent from
political discourse.


This also was excellent, very thorough, informative and professionally
delivered:
B1. Dr. Christine Kenyon Jones, Virtual RegionJane Austen and Lord Byron:
Literature, Politics, and Culture

Building on her book, *Jane Austen and Lord Byron: Regency Relations*, Dr.
Kenyon Jones considers these authors side-by-side. He was a famous
celebrity, while she was a country parson¡¯s daughter writing anonymously.
He was educated at Harrow and Cambridge, while she was almost entirely
home-schooled. He participated directly in national and international
politics as a member of the House of Lords, whereas she lacked even the
right to vote. This talk explores these major differences, but also
considers how Austen¡¯s and Byron¡¯s lives, interests, work, and sense of
humor often brought them within touching distance in Regency England.


Jocelyn Harris is always first rate, this is probably the 5th or 6th time
I've seen her speak at an AGM:
D3. Jocelyn Harris, University of OtagoJane Austen and Mme de Sta?l

Germaine de Stael was a celebrated philosopher, woman of letters, and
political theorist, and more famous than Austen in her time. Why did Jane
Austen refuse to meet her? If the invitation came from Lord Holland¡¯s
glittering salon, its politics might have put her off. Or did she simply
resist being displayed? Scandal surrounded Sta?l, yet in 1808 Austen
recommended her novel *Corinne *(1807) to a male acquaintance. In *Emma*,
Jane Austen seems to agree with Sta?l about traditional restrictions on
women, with Emma acting as a comic Corinne while Jane Fairfax barely
escapes Corinne¡¯s fate. With heroes like Mr Knightley in short supply,
whose world is more realistic, Sta?l¡¯s or Austen¡¯s?


I also heard from a couple of people that this was really great by Collins,
very detailed research:
D5. Collins Hemingway, Southern Oregon RegionRiots & Insurrections: Social
and Political Unrest in Austen¡¯s Time

This session explores the social, political, and religious upheavals of the
Regency era and their causes, including constant agitation by citizens for
political representation, protests over industrial automation that forced
down wages, and frustrations over high-level corruption and other abuses by
the ruling class. The wealthy drove the government to repress the voices of
citizens, who pushed back both peacefully and violently. Efforts to
overthrow the government were met with political trials and executions, and
two famous poets narrowly avoided arrest for sedition. The talk shows how
Austen refers to major issues in a way that avoids risks for herself.


And this was also very professional and entertaining, although there was
nothing in her actual content that I didn't already know:

E1. Linda Zionkowski, Central and Western Ohio Region
Austen and the Comedy of Complaint

While Austen¡¯s novels censure characters who are truly insensible to the
pains, misfortunes, and feelings of others, those disturbed by a
poorly-cooked meal or a drafty window fall into her group of whiners. This
well-populated category of individuals is distinctive to Austen¡¯s fiction,
but not unique among critiques of sensibility in her time: James
Beresford¡¯s wildly popular treatise, *The Miseries of Human Life *(1806),
portrays the art of whining in all its varieties. We will explore how
Beresford¡¯s focus on complainers offered a model for a wholly original
source of comedy¡ªone that Austen incorporated to perfection in her work.


At JASNA virtual first day

 

Glad to hear the conference was one of the best, Arnie - would you kindly tell a bit more, such as what were some of the "best" things about it?
?Diana


Re: Why "vulgar"?

 

As I do not believe Jane Fairfax is pregnant,I took her increased bloom to
be because Frank Churchill is nearby. That is before she is treated badly
by hm.
Nancy

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 7:14?AM Liz Anne Potamianos via groups.io
<lizannepotamianos@...> wrote:

Arnie, I interpreted Emma's comment, "There, not to be vulgar, was
distinction, and merit.", to mean that Emma thought that no one in Highbury
had any elegance, and that few were not vulgar.
I also identified Jane's "fuller bloom" as referring to her pregnancy. It
would be amusing if Austen was referring to the royal dalliances, the
illegitimate children (i.e. Fitz- ) with this statement. It also ties back
to the charade in Chapter 9:
"It was a style of beauty, of which elegance was the reigning character,
and as such, she must, in honour, by all her principles, admire
it:¡ª*elegance*, which, whether of person or of mind, she saw so little in
Highbury."
"My first displays the wealth and pomp of kings, Lords of the earth! their
luxury and ease.Another view of man, my second brings, Behold him there,
the monarch of the seas!But, ah! united, what reverse we have!Man's boasted
power and freedom, all are flown;Lord of the earth and sea, he bends a
slave, And woman, lovely woman, reigns alone. Thy ready wit the word will
soon supply, May its approval beam in that soft eye!"

Liz Anne




On Monday, October 21, 2024 at 01:31:47 AM EDT, Arnie Perlstein <
arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

[Jane¡¯s] eyes, a deep grey, with dark eye-lashes and eyebrows, had never
been denied their praise; but the skin, which she had been used to cavil
at, as wanting colour, had a clearness and delicacy which really needed no
fuller bloom. It was a style of beauty, of which elegance was the reigning
character, and as such, she must, in honour, by all her principles, admire
it:¡ª*elegance*, which, whether of person or of mind, she saw so little in
Highbury. *There, not to be vulgar, was distinction, and merit."*


As Emma contemplates Jane shortly after Jane's arrival in Highbury in Ch.
20, she grudgingly acknowledges the elegance of Jane's style of beauty, and
feels she must admire it, in comparison to what she sees in other females
in Highbury.


Why does Emma then think, "not to be vulgar", that this constituted Jane's
"distinction and merit". Is it Emma's sense that Jane is no great shakes to
stand out in Highbury, because there is no real competition? If so, then,
Emma is in effect, undercutting her admiration as soon as she thinks it,
because in fact, she is jealous of Jane's elegance but hates to admit it?
Or
is Emma, in her snobbery, characterizing her thoughts as "vulgar" for some
other reason I am missing?


ARNIE












Why "vulgar"?

 

Even more brilliant, Liz Anne - indeed!! With Austen it sometimes is just a
single word, that can, like Archimedes's proverbial lever, exert tremendous
force on the mind of a sensitive reader like yourself, and transport us to
a brave, new "world" of the novel in a whole new "orbit"! ;)

ARNIE

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 6:59?AM Liz Anne Potamianos via groups.io
<lizannepotamianos@...> wrote:

This is another example of Austen¡¯s ambiguity.


What does ¡°there¡± in *¡±There, not to be vulgar, was distinction, and
merit."*


¡°There¡± could refer to 1. Jane Fairfax or 2. Highbury.


Liz Anne

On Oct 21, 2024, at 09:27, Nancy Mayer <regencyresearcher@...>
wrote:

?The word vulgar did not have any meaning of obscenity,it just meant
"common" such as the common people- laborers and such. The word still
retained the meaning it had when the Vulgate Bible was published-- the
Bible in the language of the common people which at that time was Latin.
I
think, Emma means that assessing Jane's looks wasn't something a person
of
the gentry and up would do-- though , of course, they did.
Nancy

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 1:31?AM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

[Jane¡¯s] eyes, a deep grey, with dark eye-lashes and eyebrows, had never
been denied their praise; but the skin, which she had been used to cavil
at, as wanting colour, had a clearness and delicacy which really needed
no
fuller bloom. It was a style of beauty, of which elegance was the
reigning
character, and as such, she must, in honour, by all her principles,
admire
it:¡ª*elegance*, which, whether of person or of mind, she saw so little
in
Highbury. *There, not to be vulgar, was distinction, and merit."*


As Emma contemplates Jane shortly after Jane's arrival in Highbury in
Ch.
20, she grudgingly acknowledges the elegance of Jane's style of beauty,
and
feels she must admire it, in comparison to what she sees in other
females
in Highbury.


Why does Emma then think, "not to be vulgar", that this constituted
Jane's
"distinction and merit". Is it Emma's sense that Jane is no great
shakes to
stand out in Highbury, because there is no real competition? If so,
then,
Emma is in effect, undercutting her admiration as soon as she thinks it,
because in fact, she is jealous of Jane's elegance but hates to admit
it?
Or
is Emma, in her snobbery, characterizing her thoughts as "vulgar" for
some
other reason I am missing?


ARNIE


Why "vulgar"?

 

??Thank you very much, Liz Anne ¡ª yes, as you know well, I¡¯m approaching
the 20th anniversary of my insight that Jane Fairfax says ¡°It must be
born(e)¡± near the end of the novel, because she is then in labor, after
having confined herself to Highbury for her last 2 trimesters. That was
when I finally realized, after 2 1/2 years of finding more and more clues
scattered among the 6 novels, that there were shadow stories in every one
of them.

I find brilliant your extension of the more mainstream idea of ¡°elegance¡±
as (to channel Miss Bingley) an acquired accomplishment of higher class
women, as is your connecting that idea to the courtship/Prince of Whales
charade - brava!!

NANCY: ¡°?The word vulgar did not have any meaning of obscenity, it just
meant "common" such as the common people- laborers and such. The word still
retained the meaning it had when the Vulgate Bible was published-- the
Bible in the language of the common people which at that time was Latin.
I think Emma means that assessing Jane's looks wasn't something a person
of the gentry and up would do-- though , of course, they did.¡±

Nancy, I think it¡¯s pretty clear that even in JA¡¯s era, the meanings of
"vulgar" as (i) a reference to social class, and as (II) a reference to a
lack of manners and ¡°air¡± as per Miss Bingley (and Emma, whose snobbery is
similar), already had a great deal of overlap - if a woman was busy earning
a living by hard work, it was a luxury to ¡°learn¡± how to behave with
refined manners.

But I particularly like Stephanie¡¯s and your similar focus on the
unwittingly ironically vulgar behavior of a supposedly "elegant" woman
asserting and judging others as vulgar based on nothing other than class
snobbery. But...I don¡¯t however think that¡¯s how Emma meant it when she
thought it - that is what I think Austen meant for us to think about Emma
thinking her self-deluding meaning. JA clear understood the difference
between superficial "vulgarity" and the deeper, and truly meaningfully
wrong vulgarity of the heart, mind and soul.

That's exactly what JA¡¯s niece Fanny Knight Knatchbull (the primary
real-life model, I¡¯ve long asserted, for Emma Woodhouse) did in her
infamous truly vulgar letter to her sister a half century after JA¡¯s death,
when she called her aunts Jane and Cassandra ¡°vulgar¡±. Maybe by then Fanny
had finally realized that she had been skewered satirically as ¡°Emma¡±, and
she was just a little peeved about that unflattering, all-too-revealing
portrait of her.


I¡¯m puzzled, however, by why you made reference to ¡°obscenity¡±. Where did
that come from? Neither I nor Liz Anne referred to ¡°smut¡±. Are you
suggesting that a complex, poignant, veiled fictional depiction by JA of a
pregnancy outside wedlock would constitute ¡°obscenity¡±? Maybe I've missed
your point.

I deliberately used that Anglo-Saxon term ¡°smut¡± just then, because that
word ¡°obscenity¡± sorta put me in remind (as JA might have put it) of its
being used by the final plenary speaker at the just concluded JASNA. He
vulgarly, inelegantly, and seemingly homophobically, used it in responding
during the q&a to an attendee's favorable mention of ¡°Pride and
Prometheus¡±, an Austen mashup of P&P and Persuasion, in which, apparently,
the famous fossil hunter Mary Anning and Mary Bennet fall in love with each
other in Lyme. A number of us in the audience were not pleased to hear such
a sentiment expressed by someone who was given the privilege of addressing
700 attendees at the farewell luncheon.

Arnie

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 1:31?AM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

[Jane¡¯s] eyes, a deep grey, with dark eye-lashes and eyebrows, had never

been denied their praise; but the skin, which she had been used to cavil

at, as wanting colour, had a clearness and delicacy which really needed no

fuller bloom. It was a style of beauty, of which elegance was the reigning

character, and as such, she must, in honour, by all her principles, admire

it:¡ª*elegance*, which, whether of person or of mind, she saw so little in

Highbury. *There, not to be vulgar, was distinction, and merit."*


As Emma contemplates Jane shortly after Jane's arrival in Highbury in Ch.

20, she grudgingly acknowledges the elegance of Jane's style of beauty, and

feels she must admire it, in comparison to what she sees in other females

in Highbury.


Why does Emma then think, "not to be vulgar", that this constituted Jane's

"distinction and merit". Is it Emma's sense that Jane is no great
shakes to stand
out in Highbury, because there is no real competition? If so, then, Emma is
in effect, undercutting her admiration as soon as she thinks it, because in
fact, she is jealous of Jane's elegance but hates to admit it?

Or is Emma, in her snobbery, characterizing her thoughts as "vulgar" for
some other reason I am missing?


ARNIE


Re: Why "vulgar"?

 

This is another example of Austen¡¯s ambiguity.


What does ¡°there¡± in *¡±There, not to be vulgar, was distinction, and merit."*


¡°There¡± could refer to 1. Jane Fairfax or 2. Highbury.


Liz Anne

On Oct 21, 2024, at 09:27, Nancy Mayer <regencyresearcher@...> wrote:

?The word vulgar did not have any meaning of obscenity,it just meant
"common" such as the common people- laborers and such. The word still
retained the meaning it had when the Vulgate Bible was published-- the
Bible in the language of the common people which at that time was Latin. I
think, Emma means that assessing Jane's looks wasn't something a person of
the gentry and up would do-- though , of course, they did.
Nancy

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 1:31?AM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

[Jane¡¯s] eyes, a deep grey, with dark eye-lashes and eyebrows, had never
been denied their praise; but the skin, which she had been used to cavil
at, as wanting colour, had a clearness and delicacy which really needed no
fuller bloom. It was a style of beauty, of which elegance was the reigning
character, and as such, she must, in honour, by all her principles, admire
it:¡ª*elegance*, which, whether of person or of mind, she saw so little in
Highbury. *There, not to be vulgar, was distinction, and merit."*


As Emma contemplates Jane shortly after Jane's arrival in Highbury in Ch.
20, she grudgingly acknowledges the elegance of Jane's style of beauty, and
feels she must admire it, in comparison to what she sees in other females
in Highbury.


Why does Emma then think, "not to be vulgar", that this constituted Jane's
"distinction and merit". Is it Emma's sense that Jane is no great shakes to
stand out in Highbury, because there is no real competition? If so, then,
Emma is in effect, undercutting her admiration as soon as she thinks it,
because in fact, she is jealous of Jane's elegance but hates to admit it?
Or
is Emma, in her snobbery, characterizing her thoughts as "vulgar" for some
other reason I am missing?


ARNIE









Re: Why "vulgar"?

 

The word vulgar did not have any meaning of obscenity,it just meant
"common" such as the common people- laborers and such. The word still
retained the meaning it had when the Vulgate Bible was published-- the
Bible in the language of the common people which at that time was Latin. I
think, Emma means that assessing Jane's looks wasn't something a person of
the gentry and up would do-- though , of course, they did.
Nancy

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 1:31?AM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

[Jane¡¯s] eyes, a deep grey, with dark eye-lashes and eyebrows, had never
been denied their praise; but the skin, which she had been used to cavil
at, as wanting colour, had a clearness and delicacy which really needed no
fuller bloom. It was a style of beauty, of which elegance was the reigning
character, and as such, she must, in honour, by all her principles, admire
it:¡ª*elegance*, which, whether of person or of mind, she saw so little in
Highbury. *There, not to be vulgar, was distinction, and merit."*


As Emma contemplates Jane shortly after Jane's arrival in Highbury in Ch.
20, she grudgingly acknowledges the elegance of Jane's style of beauty, and
feels she must admire it, in comparison to what she sees in other females
in Highbury.


Why does Emma then think, "not to be vulgar", that this constituted Jane's
"distinction and merit". Is it Emma's sense that Jane is no great shakes to
stand out in Highbury, because there is no real competition? If so, then,
Emma is in effect, undercutting her admiration as soon as she thinks it,
because in fact, she is jealous of Jane's elegance but hates to admit it?
Or
is Emma, in her snobbery, characterizing her thoughts as "vulgar" for some
other reason I am missing?


ARNIE






Re: Why "vulgar"?

 

Arnie, I interpreted Emma's comment, "There, not to be vulgar, was distinction, and merit.", to mean that Emma thought that no one in Highbury had any elegance, and that few were not vulgar.
I also identified Jane's "fuller bloom" as referring to her pregnancy. It would be amusing if Austen was referring to the royal dalliances, the illegitimate children (i.e. Fitz- ) with this statement. It also ties back to the charade in Chapter 9:
"It was a style of beauty, of which elegance was the reigning?character, and as such, she must, in honour, by all her principles, admire it:¡ª*elegance*, which, whether of person or of mind, she saw so little in Highbury."
"My first displays the wealth and pomp of kings, Lords of the earth! their luxury and ease.Another view of man, my second brings, Behold him there, the monarch of the seas!But, ah! united, what reverse we have!Man's boasted power and freedom, all are flown;Lord of the earth and sea, he bends a slave, And woman, lovely woman, reigns alone. Thy ready wit the word will soon supply, May its approval beam in that soft eye!"

Liz Anne

On Monday, October 21, 2024 at 01:31:47 AM EDT, Arnie Perlstein <arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

[Jane¡¯s] eyes, a deep grey, with dark eye-lashes and eyebrows, had never
been denied their praise; but the skin, which she had been used to cavil
at, as wanting colour, had a clearness and delicacy which really needed no
fuller bloom. It was a style of beauty, of which elegance was the reigning
character, and as such, she must, in honour, by all her principles, admire
it:¡ª*elegance*, which, whether of person or of mind, she saw so little in
Highbury. *There, not to be vulgar, was distinction, and merit."*


As Emma contemplates Jane shortly after Jane's arrival in Highbury in Ch.
20, she grudgingly acknowledges the elegance of Jane's style of beauty, and
feels she must admire it, in comparison to what she sees in other females
in Highbury.


Why does Emma then think, "not to be vulgar", that this constituted Jane's
"distinction and merit". Is it Emma's sense that Jane is no great shakes to
stand out in Highbury, because there is no real competition? If so, then,
Emma is in effect, undercutting her admiration as soon as she thinks it,
because in fact, she is jealous of Jane's elegance but hates to admit it? Or
is Emma, in her snobbery, characterizing her thoughts as "vulgar" for some
other reason I am missing?


ARNIE