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Finding reports from John Ladd JMT Survey
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#JMTsurvey
Where does one go to find the results of these annual surveys? I googled and couldn't find the data. Surely it's accessible (and not just on FB). Can someone point me to it? Thx.
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JMT Files and Links (curated by the moderators) hosted in a Google Drive Folder - please explore
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The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. * /JMT Files and Links (curated by the moderators) hosted on Google Drive ( https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2fotO9uESMFZlNadHoxUUtnZHM?resourcekey=0-BY8Opzm5T4cT4TTkJiIJ_w&usp=sharing ) Ryan Rankin, Inga Aksamit and I, with help from some others, moved these old Yahoo file folders to a Google Drive folder shared with the Facebook groups and open to the public via any search engine. Ryan removed outdated and duplicate files and reorganized the remaining, selected files into a logical folder structure. This work was done several years ago and is working well. Find that folder at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2fotO9uESMFZlNadHoxUUtnZHM?resourcekey=0-BY8Opzm5T4cT4TTkJiIJ_w&usp=sharing It is a rich resource and I hope you will explore it.
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Sharing - 2023 Trip plans/itineraries, Packers, #Transportation, Bearcans,
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Every year we prepare a series of Google Spreadsheets to: 1) List your trip plan/itinerary so other members can look for you - or you can look for them Links and instructions at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T0fjduY5sXx4ZLgjVG0luNf4Yw6ozfN7QchYX73EBns 2) Join with others to split the cost of a mule-supported resupply 3) Share transportation - cars, rentals, shuttle services 4) Share a bearcan 5) Swap cars before your start so you each find your car at the end of your hike Links and instructions at https://docs.google.com/document/d/16EXybMPtBc9MTrx_F8BavaYSK0SEsFL4bvLm3h_Sq98 You can either offer a resource or request one, e.g., offer a ride in your car or request one. These resources are shared across groups, so Facebook group members also participate. -- John Curran Ladd San Francisco, CA 415-648-9279
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Water Crossings in Y2023
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There has been some group conversation about snow levels impacting the JMT this year, but I don't recall a lot of discussion about how water crossings will be affected. I thought the following comments from a close friend of mine might be of interest. From Russ Veenker, Ops Leader, Life Member, Mono County Sheriff¡¯s Search and Rescue, and 40+ year resident of June Lake. "This winter has broken the record book¡ªboth in long term low temps (single digits every night; high in the upper teens daytime) AND in amounts of snow. June Lake gets 5-7 feet in a normal winter. That leaves a post storm settling of 3-4 feet November-April. Currently [written February 28th, before the storms of the last two weeks hit] we have had a little over 16 feet here in town, settling down to 13 feet." "And now the most important thing: YES¡Sierra water crossings this summer!! It gets real crazy in the back-country when we¡¯ve had 200%+ winters. Spring runoff will not subside until after July 4th. A lot of the snow pack is not going to melt¡and crossing inlet/outlets is EXTREMELY dangerous. I¡¯ve recovered a lot of dead bodies of mountaineers/backpackers who punched through the snow into the creeks/streams at flood stage¡ªswept away downstream under ice¡then drowned. A couple of thoughts: Change dates¡depart in mid-August if your schedule allows. Outlets/inlets more defined by then. Also, many folks get off-route/lost due to trails being covered by snow (particularly when crossing a high pass). If you don¡¯t have a GPS with recharge solar panel, you must have paper topo maps and compass (so you can plot/triangulate position), and know how to use them. If we know where we are, we know the direction to head toward (applicable to both route finding and our spiritual lives!)." There are several resources that you can get to brush up on your water crossing skills. My "go to" has been the "NOLS WIlderness Guide." I'm sure our group members can recommend others.
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Consensus recommendation on alternate routes avoiding the bridge collapse over South Fork San Joaquin River
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From Elizabeth Wenk, JMT guidebook author extraordinaire - see https://www.amazon.com/stores/Elizabeth-Wenk/author/B004R0TMBC Her basic recommendation -- that most JMT hikers should avoid the damaged South Fork San Joaquin bridge via Piute and Bishop Passes -- are in agreement with the most experienced nd well-informed hikers I know: Ned Tibbits, Inga Aksamit, Andrew Skurka I will pin this post and the discussion at the top of our home page (/g/JMT/topics) For our prior discussion of this topic, see message thread: /g/JMT/topic/major_bridge_outage_reported/98359250 For the discussion on Facebook, see https://www.facebook.com/groups/JohnMuirTrail/permalink/10159814410158981/ As everyone knows, the middle bridge along Goddard Canyon was damaged this past winter, likely due to heavy, lopsided snow on the bridge. (37.20319?N, 118.8009?W; mile 114.8 SOBO; 107.4 NOBO) The trees to either side of the bridge are identical to those in photos I took in 2021, so it is unlikely to have been an avalanche that caused the damage. The bridge is still well above the water and it is too early to know exactly what it will look like, but one handrail is clearly badly damaged. Until in-person assessments are made, we have to assume bypasses will be required and lots of suggestions are swirling around the internet ¨C including several I¡¯ve made. I¡¯ve pulled together and edited all the bits and pieces I¡¯ve posted across multiple sites. Remember as well, that you can use your permit to simply do an out-and-back trip along a piece of the JMT, avoiding the bridge altogether. And thank you to Inga Aksamit, John Ladd, and the John Muir Trail Wilderness Conservancy for encouraging me to post this. A. RECOMMENDED ROUTE Bishop Pass /Piute Pass (JMT in LeConte Canyon to JMT at Piute Bridge/Piute Pass junction) This is the recommended route for most JMT hikers. The only option to remain entirely on a well-maintained trail is to use Bishop Pass to South Lake and North Lake to Piute Pass to bypass the JMT from LeConte Canyon to the Piute Pass junction. As of this writing (late April 2023), your Wilderness Permit is invalidated if you leave at one trailhead and re-enter at a different trailhead. Hopefully an exemption will be made for this regulation this year, explicitly for this detour. This detour is described (with annotated elevation profiles) on 266-269 of the John Muir Trail: The Essential Guide to Hiking America's Most Famous Trail (Wilderness Press; 6th edition); there are elevation profiles on page 96-97 of the accompanying JMT Data Book (2nd edition) Distance/elevation bypassed along JMT for this section: 26.7 trail miles and +3,000/-4,000 feet. Distance/elevation of route: 29.2 trail miles + 12.0 road miles (easy to hitch); trail section is +6,190/-6,390 feet; road section is -1,900/+1,300 feet. Creek crossings: On the Bishop Pass Trail: the one water crossing of the Dusy Branch can be deep and intimidating; the higher crossing is on a bridge; on the northeast side of the pass, many small creeks need to be waded, but none should be dangerous. On the Piute Pass Trail: those on the east side have logs/bridges;on the west side, French Canyon creek is broad with multiple channels. It will be a wade, but I don¡¯t think ever impassable; the two Pinnacles Creeks might be tricky and should be crossed early in the day. B. NON-ADVISED ROUTES THAT ARE PLAUSIBLE FOR EXPERIENCED OFF-TRAIL HIKERS Lamarck Col/Piute Pass (JMT at the north end of Evolution Basin to JMT at Piute Bridge/Piute Pass jct) For experienced cross-country hikers, this is the easiest of the off-trail routes, with a use trail along much of the distance, but this summer there will be snow cover through July ¨C or beyond. It has the attraction that you miss much less of the JMT, but it takes you over a high pass. It has the advantage that you never leave Wilderness, if that is necessitated. There are only two ¡°sketchy¡± sections. The first is a stretch along the second highest Darwin Canyon Lake where you cross mid-large boulders right at the water¡¯s edge; thes
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Trail conditions
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Any word on snow conditions in the passes? My wife and I are doing a short point to point from Mammoth to McGee Creek over Duck Pass and McGee pass. Ian -- Ian Goldsmith - +1 310 612 5649
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Planning JMT NB Trek - For August/Sept 2026
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Greetings, Its been quite some time since I have visited or posted in this group. Back in 2016, my wife and I had planned a NB JMT trek out of HM. But, due to several circumstances, we had to reduce to a section hike: Reds Meadow to Tuolumne Meadows. Since then, we have been hiking the High Sierra Camp Loop and other trails in Yosemite back country. We have once again decided to plan a NB JMT trek out of HM, for August/Sept 2026 timeframe. We have all the same gear we purchased 10 years ago, but we want to focus on getting our pack weights down, as we are way too heavy for a JMT through hike, plus 10 years older now and in our 60's :-) Starting to take a look at new gear. There are lots of new lighter/higher tech stuff out there. Is it too soon to start posting questions in this group ? Also, I recall joining this group's "sister" FB group. Is this the right FB group (below) ? https://www.facebook.com/groups/JohnMuirTrail Note: Seems that group appears to be much more active than this group is now. thanks so much regards Bill Vannerus
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Transit upgrades and changes for the 2025 hiking season
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I've posted this on the facebook groups, but also wanted to post here for the benefit of those who don't use facebook. 1. Eastern Sierra Transit will run both north to Reno and south to Lancaster 7 days a week starting July 1st. Does not include holidays. 2. YARTS has put out their schedules, and made a couple of changes that benefit hikers. First, you can now connect from Yosemite Valley to Bishop, Independence and Lone Pine the same day in July and August. YARTS has a bus departing YV early enough to transfer to the ESTA southbound 395 bus. 3. YARTS has improved the connections at Merced Amtrak, particularly to the 715 train (with bus from Los Angeles) which is the first practical San Joaquin service from the LA Basin and San Diego departing Los Angeles Union station at 9 am and has a lot of connecting Thruway buses from other points like San Bernadino, Riverside, Santa Maria, San Luis Obispo. (The earlier runs leave LAUS at 1 am and 5 am) 4. YARTS pushed back the schedule of the second Fresno-YV bus to early afternoon, so now it's possible to fly in to Fresno from West Coast points and still get to Yosemite the same day. 5. Be aware that this year only the YARTS Hwy 140 bus (Merced) stops at Curry Village, the Visitor Center in Yosemite Village, and Yosemite Lodge in Yosemite Valley. The other routes (120E/395 to TM/Lee Vining and Mammoth Lakes, 120W to Groveland/Sonora, Hwy 41 to/from Fresno) only stop at the Visitor Center, take the free Valley Shuttle to the Visitor center to connect with those routes. Remember, if you arrive by bus to Yosemite, you are allowed two nights in the backpacker camps paying the normal fee. One by virtue of arriving by bus, one for holding a wilderness permit to start the following day. Take advantage of this to acclimatize to the elevation. Considering that when driving you have to deal with leaving your car at one end or the other, I would say that now taking public transportation is more convenient for JMT and HST hikers. This is especially true for those who come from southern California - much easier to use transit than in the past. If you want help figuring out public transit itineraries direct from home to trail and back home, send me an email and I'd glad to help you figure it out. It's all part of my giveback to the trail. Steve Herr groundhogsteve@...
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Used Bearikade Scout for sale - SOLD
Thanks for your interest. The Bearikade is sold. John
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Used Bearikade Scout for sale
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Sadly, I haven't been on the trail in a few years, and my backpacking days are officially over. I have a gently-used small Bearikade looking for a good home: Bearikade Scout (with reflective stripe) capacity: 500 cu in Width: 9 in x Height: 8 in Weighs 28 oz. per mfgr specs/ The first $150 takes it (with free shipping to continental US). (Price new is now $326!) John
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Mosquito Season
Any guesses for when the first hatching is likely to happen in the Sierra this year? I believe the snowpack is already fading pretty fast, so I would expect it to be a bit earlier than normal. I guess my main question is whether end May will (a) be safe from mosquitos, and (b) be clear enough to make passes (Kearsarge, New Army, etc) traversable. Ian
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JMT permitting trailheads in Yosemite
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On Saturday, February 17, 2024, 10:28 PM, jyeider via groups.io <jyeider@...> wrote: Roleigh. You are correct on two points. The JMT starts on the Mt Whitney summit. Approximately 210 miles to HI. I prefer north bound from HM over either AP or NAP. You can drop your pack and rip up Mt Langley and camp 1st night around Rock Creek. Then Guitar lake 2nd night, Summit Whitney, then get to the Basin below Forester. 22 mile day. That 5 miles of loose sand on the PCT from CSL to Siberia Pass is a perfect example of 2 steps forward 1 step back. It takes 10 miles worth of energy for the 5 miles. I hate that climb up to Bullfrog lake from Bubbs, and the switchbacks from MTR to Mosquito lakes(Sallie Keyes), climbing out of Tully Hole switchbacks, that's about it. A couple of other passes I don't like are Kersarge heading out, Spookey Meadow above Agnew lake. The switchbacks out of Algiers Lakes are one of my favorites, along with Bear Ridge, and the Golden Staircase. It's way easier to get a ticket from Trail Heads in the south, and out of Yosemite. Be careful out there I Don't like the long down hills, because I rip thru them at 4 to 5 mph. -- Jeffery Yeider
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Winter snow report
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In the pass some experts on this group have given us snow reports. Can you tell us whether the snow this winter (so far) has been higher than normal, average or lower? Thanks Judy McGuire
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Thanks for being such a fabulous community!
Hi All, I think we are in hard times right now. I'm planning my JMT hike part 2 in July, following on from part 1 in 2023, and just want to say thanks to this awesome community that has provided me with so much great information, and goodwill from the start :) Thank you for being such a fabulous community. Regards, Geraldine
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JMT Matchmaker Spreadsheet to share rides, packers, car swaps, etc
If you're interested in sharing packer resupply costs, rides, car swaps, gear exchange, etc, please complete the JMT Matchmaker sheet. We're using Version 3 this year (2025). It is shared with Groups.IO and several FB groups that are loosely coordinated: John Muir Trail, Ladies of the JMT and the annual group. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/116X5h6SHLvXpsXweTqjQ-Jz0qzHEWtyhBw_RsuXX-sk/edit?usp=sharing Inga Aksamit
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bizarre Recreation.gov behavior
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Just got my permit but when I looked at 10 AM there were 99+ available permits for entering at Mono Pass exiting Whitney on Sept. 1. I checked and double checked my confirmed permit. Judy McGuire
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Reds Meadow Road update for 2025
I noticed the Reds Meadow Road Closure page has been updated. https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/inyo/alerts-notices/?cid=fseprd1127643 The road will be open Thursday through Sunday for most of July and August with different schedules for the holiday weekends. The open days are reduced in September and October. The Reds Meadow Campground will be closed for renovation this year. It doesn't say if there will be a backpacker's campsite available. Frank -- Frank
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Alternatives
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Hi, Long time member of the former yahoo group and have hiked the JMT a number of times, and considering the ongoing difficulties with securing permits, does anyone have a suggestion of a trail about 100 miles that is similar in terrain and altitude to the JMT that does not require permits? I'm of a mind to hike in the Sierras again - it's been a few years - and want to try to avoid the hassle of fighting for the few permits that do come available. If this is not an appropriate forum to post this, I don't mind being told so. Peace and love and all that. Thanks. Ken J.
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Rucking
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About three months ago, I got into "rucking" which is just walking with a weighted backpack. There are a lot of setups, but GoRuck is probably the most well known. I heard about rucking from Peter Attia's podcasts (which I highly recommend). What's great about rucking, in the context of backpacking, is that one can stay in shape for carrying loads with a small form factor pack, rather than loading up a regular backpacking setup. Rucking involves carrying the load higher on the back than in backpacking, and most people don't use a waist belt (I don't use one). I have found it a great form of exercise to walk with about 20-25% of my body weight, which is about 35-40 pounds, far more than I ever carry for backpacking. This makes my typical backpacking load in my ULA packs seem luxurious in comparison. Anyway, I haven't been able to get out much on trails for several years and this is a way to stay in shape in the city in a non-conspicuous way, compared to walking around with a backpacking setup. As we are now in the "off season" for the JMT, I thought I'd post as an idea for others looking to stay in shape. I also run about 200 miles/month and do weight training, but neither of those activities alone is sufficient prep for backpacking. At age 51, I am increasingly aware of the limited number of summers I have left to enjoy the high Sierra in relatively vigorous health and I think this rucking habit might buy me a few years into my 70s (hopefully) and maybe I have another good 25 years left to enjoy backpacking (crossing fingers, knock on wood).
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Fire loss
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I wanted to reach out to this group, as I¡¯ve lost all my ultralight backpacking gear when my home burned down in the recent Eaton Canyon Fire here in Altadena, CA. I am hoping to return to backpacking this year (I have a start date for the PCT in April). If you have any ideas for donations, discounts and used gear I¡¯d really appreciate it. I¡¯ve learned so much from the group and look forward to any help you can offer. Best, Leslie Frank
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