The elephant in the room is the apparently common practice of people grabbing permits for their Plan Bs and Cs and then sitting on them while they continue to pursue their Plan A. If and when they getting their preferred permit, they may or may not cancel their contingency permits. This was touched on earlier in this thread. But canceled or not, these contingency permits are out of circulation for some time. It seems disingenuous to me for us, as a group, to complain about permitting difficulty while at the same time condoning permit hoarding.

We camped well above Anvil last August, when Edison for example was? as drier than I have ever seen it .? Had plenty of good water on a tributary.

As Don mentioned multiple permits cause problem but really, rolling out permits day by day, vs all at once, encourages that as you really are almost crazy if you don’t choose the earliest date that is conceivably possible vs the best date which, in a high demand online registration means you’re only going to get one crack at it so you go right to plan A. Either way cancelling asap is proper.

The one benefit of all these popular permits being in one system now is that you can’t hold the same dates in different areas anymore.

It seems disingenuous to me for us, as a group, to complain about permitting difficulty while at the same time condoning permit hoarding.

I think it's only permit hoarding if you don't release the permit if you get a better one. The original permit is Plan A until you get another one, even if it is Plan B or C in your personal preference. Yes, it's out of circulation, but so is every other permit that's been reserved. The difference is that there's a chance it will come back into circulation. You can't exactly tell the hiking world that they are not allowed to apply for another permit if they have one, but you should never hold more than one unless you are planning to use them - that's the only "poor practice" in my opinion.

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