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Bad news for the bighorn sheep

Lange Jorstad All Messages By This Member #77061 Not strictly a JMT topic, but pretty close. Apparently the big 22-23 winter was especially harsh for the bighorn sheep of the Eastern Sierra; it was estimated that the population declined 40% over the winter, from 600 to 360. Some herds were considered to be entirely wiped out through a combination of avalanches, food scarcity, and predation by mountain lions when they moved to lower elevations to get out of the snow.
Lisa G All Messages By This Member #77062 Oh, no! That's terribly sad.
MORI COSTANTINO All Messages By This Member #77064 lI think that the situation for the bighorn sheep is definitely on topic for the JMT group. We may not see them but they are there. Besides, Bighorn Plateau! -- still on the wonder wander............
Lauralyn All Messages By This Member #77065 Definite Topic for JMT. This report makes me sad. I saw the BigHorns about 100 -low last winter in the Eastern Sierra near Sawmill Pass. Highly recommend you consider supporting the Big Horn Sheep Foundation. They do a lot to protect the sheep and educate the public including trapping and relocating problematic mountain lions from what I have heard. There is a link on the Mt Williamson Motel web site to support the Big Horns. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Nov 1, 2023, at 7:18 AM, MORI COSTANTINO via groups.io <mcostantino@...> wrote: ?lI think that the situation for the bighorn sheep is definitely on topic for the JMT group. We may not see them but they are there. Besides, Bighorn Plateau! -- still on the wonder wander............
Derek Koonce All Messages By This Member #77066 FYI, relocating mountain lions can be problematic for mountain lions. When relocating into another area, two lions would then have to vie for the territory. One will loose and die, if not both (if injured badly). This goes for both sexes. I got this information after listening to a gal in the Auburn area that does mountain lion rescue. Two Dogs
Lange Jorstad All Messages By This Member #77069 In addition to this, the article said that lions (males in particular) have a strong "homing beakon" and will make a beeline back to their home ground. When they tried to relocate two lions to mountains further east in Nevada, they attempted to cross the desert to return to the eastern sierra. One starved to death, the other was so emaciated they euthanised it. Unfortunately, not an easy issue either way.? Regards, Lange On Thursday, 2 November 2023 at 02:23:16 am AEDT, Derek Koonce <derek@...> wrote: FYI, relocating mountain lions can be problematic for mountain lions. When relocating into another area, two lions would then have to vie for the territory. One will loose and die, if not both (if injured badly). This goes for both sexes. I got this information after listening to a gal in the Auburn area that does mountain lion rescue. Two Dogs
Tom Kennefick All Messages By This Member #77070 开云体育 Last year’s snowpack was unprecedented and clearly catastrophic for the sheep. Lions are missing another apex predator (wolves) that keep their population in check. ?Wolves target lion kits and are documented to reduce lion populations. ?Moving lions or even hunting them is a very difficult proposition and of questionable effectiveness. ?After dog hunts were made illegal in Oregon mountain lion populations increased significantly and heavy predation of elk and deer offspring has resulted in many areas. ? I am not advocating dog hunts only pointing out that the natural balance has been disrupted and is not easily restored toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Nov 1, 2023, at 6:28?PM, Lange Jorstad via groups.io <langejorstad@...> wrote: ? In addition to this, the article said that lions (males in particular) have a strong "homing beakon" and will make a beeline back to their home ground. When they tried to relocate two lions to mountains further east in Nevada, they attempted to cross the desert to return to the eastern sierra. One starved to death, the other was so emaciated they euthanised it. Unfortunately, not an easy issue either way.? Regards, Lange On Thursday, 2 November 2023 at 02:23:16 am AEDT, Derek Koonce <derek@...> wrote: FYI, relocating mountain lions can be problematic for mountain lions. When relocating into another area, two lions would then have to vie for the territory. One will loose and die, if not both (if injured badly). This goes for both sexes. I got this information after listening to a gal in the Auburn area that does mountain lion rescue. Two Dogs
Curt Kinchen All Messages By This Member #77071 There's been a recent number of accounts where mountain lions are taking wolves.? It's only happening in certain areas, particularly in Oregon and Washington, and it's not clear why.? Interesting nonetheless, but I am just writing it off to cats getting back at dogs:) Regarding the bighorn sheep and the severe winter, I suspect there were a number of losses amongst deer as well due to avalanches.? I've seen bone/carcass fields caused by that in various places. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 7:45?PM Tom Kennefick via <tomkennefick=[email protected]> wrote: Last year’s snowpack was unprecedented and clearly catastrophic for the sheep. Lions are missing another apex predator (wolves) that keep their population in check.? Wolves target lion kits and are documented to reduce lion populations.? Moving lions or even hunting them is a very difficult proposition and of questionable effectiveness.? After dog hunts were made illegal in Oregon mountain lion populations increased significantly and heavy predation of elk and deer offspring has resulted in many areas. ? I am not advocating dog hunts only pointing out that the natural balance has been disrupted and is not easily restored On Nov 1, 2023, at 6:28?PM, Lange Jorstad via <langejorstad=[email protected]> wrote: ? In addition to this, the article said that lions (males in particular) have a strong "homing beakon" and will make a beeline back to their home ground. When they tried to relocate two lions to mountains further east in Nevada, they attempted to cross the desert to return to the eastern sierra. One starved to death, the other was so emaciated they euthanised it. Unfortunately, not an easy issue either way.? Regards, Lange On Thursday, 2 November 2023 at 02:23:16 am AEDT, Derek Koonce <derek@...> wrote: FYI, relocating mountain lions can be problematic for mountain lions. When relocating into another area, two lions would then have to vie for the territory. One will loose and die, if not both (if injured badly). This goes for both sexes. I got this information after listening to a gal in the Auburn area that does mountain lion rescue. Two Dogs -- Curt Kinchen ptcurt@...
Lange Jorstad All Messages By This Member #77072 And here us hikers are, complaining about a bridge being out - I'm sure the sheep are thinking "human problems, dude" On Thursday, 2 November 2023 at 05:06:26 pm AEDT, Curt Kinchen <ptcurt@...> wrote: There's been a recent number of accounts where mountain lions are taking wolves.? It's only happening in certain areas, particularly in Oregon and Washington, and it's not clear why.? Interesting nonetheless, but I am just writing it off to cats getting back at dogs:) Regarding the bighorn sheep and the severe winter, I suspect there were a number of losses amongst deer as well due to avalanches.? I've seen bone/carcass fields caused by that in various places. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 7:45?PM Tom Kennefick via <tomkennefick=[email protected]> wrote: Last year’s snowpack was unprecedented and clearly catastrophic for the sheep. Lions are missing another apex predator (wolves) that keep their population in check.? Wolves target lion kits and are documented to reduce lion populations.? Moving lions or even hunting them is a very difficult proposition and of questionable effectiveness.? After dog hunts were made illegal in Oregon mountain lion populations increased significantly and heavy predation of elk and deer offspring has resulted in many areas. ? I am not advocating dog hunts only pointing out that the natural balance has been disrupted and is not easily restored On Nov 1, 2023, at 6:28?PM, Lange Jorstad via <langejorstad=[email protected]> wrote: ? In addition to this, the article said that lions (males in particular) have a strong "homing beakon" and will make a beeline back to their home ground. When they tried to relocate two lions to mountains further east in Nevada, they attempted to cross the desert to return to the eastern sierra. One starved to death, the other was so emaciated they euthanised it. Unfortunately, not an easy issue either way.? Regards, Lange On Thursday, 2 November 2023 at 02:23:16 am AEDT, Derek Koonce <derek@...> wrote: FYI, relocating mountain lions can be problematic for mountain lions. When relocating into another area, two lions would then have to vie for the territory. One will loose and die, if not both (if injured badly). This goes for both sexes. I got this information after listening to a gal in the Auburn area that does mountain lion rescue. Two Dogs -- Curt Kinchen ptcurt@...

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