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I have updated (and unweighted) my sleeping bag (to a quilt) and pad and am now tackling the bear canister, backpack, and tent to prepare for the JMT next year, I hope. ?
- On the bear canister, I am planning on switching to the Bearikade Weekender or Blazer, which will shave off 8 to 10 oz from the BV500 I have
- On the backpack, I am leaning towards the GG Maripoa, which will shave 2+ pounds from my current backpack
- On the tent, I am leaning towards the Durston XMid, but would like to hear from others who have used it. ?How does it do on granite? ?I have always used freestanding tents and wonder how the staking would work at a place like Guitar Lake (between Crabtree Meadow and Whitney Portal). ?And, how do these tents do on a windy day?
I ask because I just completed the High Sierra Trail. ?We had one extremely windy night at Guitar Lake. ?I staked my freestanding tent using rocks and wonder how things would work with the XMid. ?I have tried, unsuccessfully, to find a YouTube video showing the tent setup on granite.
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Also, several of the trekking pole tents use Dyneema, which is significantly lighter -- how does Dyneema hold up long term? ?Pros and cons between DCF and silnylon or silpro?
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Thanks in advance,
CJ
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I cannot comment on the specific tent you're considering, but I did use a UL tent (zPacks Hexamid Twin) for many years in the Sierra Nevada and other locations where it was not possible to stake the shelter down into the ground. The method I used was to find large rocks. I rigged guy lines to the shelter longer than the standard lines to make it possible to make loops around the large rocks. This worked anywhere large rocks could be found, which is most anywhere in the Sierra Nevada. The pitch was sometimes not perfect but I rarely had a problem with the shelter failing to stay upright. One of the first nights I experienced this was at a very windy campsite at Thousand Island Lake. I somehow achieved a nearly perfect pitch and I had almost no experience with the shelter at that point, pictured below. I would recommend practicing before going out on the JMT. Picture of the setup, from my trip in 2013, is below.
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CJ,
? ?I can attest that the Durston XMid 1P is excellent and used on 3 trips in the Sierra. Setting it up on granite is very straight forward. Just need 4 big rocks or 8 medium rocks. I also added a longer cord to the 4 corners of the tent for just this purpose.?
Happy Trails, Chuck
Hello:
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I have updated (and unweighted) my sleeping bag (to a quilt) and pad and am now tackling the bear canister, backpack, and tent to prepare for the JMT next year, I hope. ?
- On the bear canister, I am planning on switching to the Bearikade Weekender or Blazer, which will shave off 8 to 10 oz from the BV500 I have
- On the backpack, I am leaning towards the GG Maripoa, which will shave 2+ pounds from my current backpack
- On the tent, I am leaning towards the Durston XMid, but would like to hear from others who have used it.? How does it do on granite?? I have always used freestanding tents and wonder how the staking would work at a place like Guitar Lake (between Crabtree Meadow and Whitney Portal).? And, how do these tents do on a windy day?
I ask because I just completed the High Sierra Trail.? We had one extremely windy night at Guitar Lake.? I staked my freestanding tent using rocks and wonder how things would work with the XMid.? I have tried, unsuccessfully, to find a YouTube video showing the tent setup on granite.
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Also, several of the trekking pole tents use Dyneema, which is significantly lighter -- how does Dyneema hold up long term?? Pros and cons between DCF and silnylon or silpro?
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Thanks in advance,
CJ
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You are definately on the right ultralight track. ?Re: the Durston tent I would email Dan Durston. ?He has a reputation of being very responsive and helpful. ? I personally use a dynema tarp and bivy which is very light, but not for everyone. ?Switching bear cans is an expensive option, but people do love their Bericades.
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On Aug 15, 2024, at 10:06?PM, chayaj via groups.io <chayaj@...> wrote:
? Hello:
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I have updated (and unweighted) my sleeping bag (to a quilt) and pad and am now tackling the bear canister, backpack, and tent to prepare for the JMT next year, I hope. ?
- On the bear canister, I am planning on switching to the Bearikade Weekender or Blazer, which will shave off 8 to 10 oz from the BV500 I have
- On the backpack, I am leaning towards the GG Maripoa, which will shave 2+ pounds from my current backpack
- On the tent, I am leaning towards the Durston XMid, but would like to hear from others who have used it. ?How does it do on granite? ?I have always used freestanding tents and wonder how the staking would work at a place like Guitar Lake (between Crabtree Meadow and Whitney Portal). ?And, how do these tents do on a windy day?
I ask because I just completed the High Sierra Trail. ?We had one extremely windy night at Guitar Lake. ?I staked my freestanding tent using rocks and wonder how things would work with the XMid. ?I have tried, unsuccessfully, to find a YouTube video showing the tent setup on granite.
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Also, several of the trekking pole tents use Dyneema, which is significantly lighter -- how does Dyneema hold up long term? ?Pros and cons between DCF and silnylon or silpro?
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Thanks in advance,
CJ
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You will find excellent information, and superior tents on the TarpTent site.? TarpTent is using the ultra fabric in some of its tents, along with Dynema in many of its tents.?
? ? Ultra cuts weight and price, yet Dynema is still THE fabric of the lightweight hiker.? Silnylon is also used by TarpTent.?
? ? I suggest that you peruse the TarpTent site, then call Henry Shires of TarpTent and ask him for a quick summary. Best in the business.?
? ? I love my TarpTent DiPole Li1.?
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Every tent, dedicated poles or trekking poles, should be outfitted with rock loops.
Rock loops: go to your local hardware store and get some masonry cord.? Bright colors, lightweight, inexpensive.
Tie 8-10" loops of cord to each stake out point.
Place a rock or stick through the loop, piling more rocks on top.
Position the anchor point of the loop so it's in the same position as if staked and your tent pitch will be correct.
I've camped on slickrock in my TarpTent DiPole Li1 using rock loops.
http://wildernessvagabond.com/WV-GC-trip-links-all.htm
http://wildernessvagabond.com/john-muir-trail-2021/john-muir-trail-2021.htm
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Wherever you go, there you are,? Cheers, WV
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I have a zPacks Duplex with over 100 nights in the Sierra on it, it still looks and works perfectly, like a brand new tent. ?I’ve camped in high winds on rocky surfaces, and as others here have said, it’s all about finding rocks to anchor the guy lines.
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On Aug 15, 2024, at 10:06?PM, chayaj via groups.io <chayaj@...> wrote:
Hello:
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I have updated (and unweighted) my sleeping bag (to a quilt) and pad and am now tackling the bear canister, backpack, and tent to prepare for the JMT next year, I hope. ?
- On the bear canister, I am planning on switching to the Bearikade Weekender or Blazer, which will shave off 8 to 10 oz from the BV500 I have
- On the backpack, I am leaning towards the GG Maripoa, which will shave 2+ pounds from my current backpack
- On the tent, I am leaning towards the Durston XMid, but would like to hear from others who have used it. ?How does it do on granite? ?I have always used freestanding tents and wonder how the staking would work at a place like Guitar Lake (between Crabtree Meadow and Whitney Portal). ?And, how do these tents do on a windy day?
I ask because I just completed the High Sierra Trail. ?We had one extremely windy night at Guitar Lake. ?I staked my freestanding tent using rocks and wonder how things would work with the XMid. ?I have tried, unsuccessfully, to find a YouTube video showing the tent setup on granite.
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Also, several of the trekking pole tents use Dyneema, which is significantly lighter -- how does Dyneema hold up long term? ?Pros and cons between DCF and silnylon or silpro?
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Thanks in advance,
CJ
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Heya Chaya,
For the Sierra where others have stated that there are no shortage of rocks and often in site where stakes are problematic I’ve been using the “Big Rock, Little Rock” technique successfully for many years. ?In fact I prefer using this instead of stakes. ?More secure if you use a hefty enough big rock and much easier to adjust guyline angles for a pitch especially for a trekking pole tent which I use. ?I own both Durston XMids and Tarptent tents. ?Both excellent manufacturers who stand behind their product. ?For the rock method I’ve added about two feet of extra guyline to the existing lines for extra flexibility of where I can place the rocks if there are obstructions in the way. ?Hope this helps and good luck next year!
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On Aug 16, 2024, at 8:11?AM, Ian Goldsmith <ian@...> wrote:
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I have a zPacks Duplex with over 100 nights in the Sierra on it, it still looks and works perfectly, like a brand new tent. ?I’ve camped in high winds on rocky surfaces, and as others here have said, it’s all about finding rocks to anchor the guy lines.
Ian
On Aug 15, 2024, at 10:06?PM, chayaj via groups.io <chayaj@...> wrote:
Hello:
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I have updated (and unweighted) my sleeping bag (to a quilt) and pad and am now tackling the bear canister, backpack, and tent to prepare for the JMT next year, I hope. ?
- On the bear canister, I am planning on switching to the Bearikade Weekender or Blazer, which will shave off 8 to 10 oz from the BV500 I have
- On the backpack, I am leaning towards the GG Maripoa, which will shave 2+ pounds from my current backpack
- On the tent, I am leaning towards the Durston XMid, but would like to hear from others who have used it. ?How does it do on granite? ?I have always used freestanding tents and wonder how the staking would work at a place like Guitar Lake (between Crabtree Meadow and Whitney Portal). ?And, how do these tents do on a windy day?
I ask because I just completed the High Sierra Trail. ?We had one extremely windy night at Guitar Lake. ?I staked my freestanding tent using rocks and wonder how things would work with the XMid. ?I have tried, unsuccessfully, to find a YouTube video showing the tent setup on granite.
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Also, several of the trekking pole tents use Dyneema, which is significantly lighter -- how does Dyneema hold up long term? ?Pros and cons between DCF and silnylon or silpro?
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Thanks in advance,
CJ
Regarding your question about UL tents, here's my $0.02 worth.
On our JMT trip in 2018, my son and I used a Zpacks two-person tent - the Duplex Classic with the added external poles to pull it out more/create a bit more head room. I carried the tent and my son carried the poles. It was a good tent for us, and I have considered
the Durston tents, too, since then. I think that you're making a good choice - but, YMMV! ?
My second point is slightly?different. Over the past couple of years, I've tried to slim down a bit more. I'm not really packing any less weight, but I do feel that I'm creating more "utility" in my system. When I'm solo packing (which is more often than not),
I now use a ?with a . There aren't really any weight savings. But, when I can, I prefer to cowboy camp - but without mosquitoes - so the bivy works great for that. If it seems like rain is on the way, then I'll easily put up the Gatewood Cape
as my tent; the utility comes from using the Gatewood?Cape as a raincape if it's raining while I'm packing.
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11 oz - 310 g Solo Tarp The Gatewood Cape is the super ultralight backpacker’s dream – shave ounces by combining your rain gear and tarp into one. The Gatewood Cape is the ONLY poncho-style Tarp to provide complete 360° protection. Since its introduction in
2006, it has been carried over hundreds of thousands of trail
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The Bristlecone Bivy provides a waterproof floor with a water resistant upper to protect your quilt from spray and mist. Featuring a large mesh window and long U shaped zipper extending from waist level across the top, allowing for easy entry and exit. Designed
to work well with both pyramid shelters and tarps.
katabaticgear.com
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Good luck,
Tim
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I used the silnylon TarpTent Notch on over 2000 miles including Tahoe to Whitney and nearly all pitches were using cords wrapped around rocks.? No problems with stability though one night I had to add some heavier rocks.? Love this tent.
Used the dyneema Zpacks Triplex for a few years also.? Was disappointed in the design.??
Moved up to a 3 person Tarptent and had some issues with stability in wind,? had to use extra guylines, perhaps smaller 1 person tents are by default more stable??
Re:? dyneema vs silnylon:? Dyneema lighter, pricier, doesn't stretch (usually need to reach out and tighten up the silnylon during rain.)? Dyneema is more see-through so you have less privacy and it's brighter so I found it harder to sleep at night in far Northern mountains.? It's more brittle so beware hail.??
Hello:
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I have updated (and unweighted) my sleeping bag (to a quilt) and pad and am now tackling the bear canister, backpack, and tent to prepare for the JMT next year, I hope. ?
- On the bear canister, I am planning on switching to the Bearikade Weekender or Blazer, which will shave off 8 to 10 oz from the BV500 I have
- On the backpack, I am leaning towards the GG Maripoa, which will shave 2+ pounds from my current backpack
- On the tent, I am leaning towards the Durston XMid, but would like to hear from others who have used it.? How does it do on granite?? I have always used freestanding tents and wonder how the staking would work at a place like Guitar Lake (between Crabtree Meadow and Whitney Portal).? And, how do these tents do on a windy day?
I ask because I just completed the High Sierra Trail.? We had one extremely windy night at Guitar Lake.? I staked my freestanding tent using rocks and wonder how things would work with the XMid.? I have tried, unsuccessfully, to find a YouTube video showing the tent setup on granite.
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Also, several of the trekking pole tents use Dyneema, which is significantly lighter -- how does Dyneema hold up long term?? Pros and cons between DCF and silnylon or silpro?
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Thanks in advance,
CJ
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I had/have a Light Heart SoLong 6 made from Dyneema (no longer available).? My first one lasted 10 years and a couple of JMTs and SHRs.? It wore out after 10 years.? I’m on my second one now and expect another 10 years. ? Joe ?
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Subject: Re: [JMT-groups.io] UL Tents? I used the silnylon TarpTent Notch on over 2000 miles including Tahoe to Whitney and nearly all pitches were using cords wrapped around rocks.? No problems with stability though one night I had to add some heavier rocks.? Love this tent. Used the dyneema Zpacks Triplex for a few years also.? Was disappointed in the design.?? Moved up to a 3 person Tarptent and had some issues with stability in wind,? had to use extra guylines, perhaps smaller 1 person tents are by default more stable?? Re:? dyneema vs silnylon:? Dyneema lighter, pricier, doesn't stretch (usually need to reach out and tighten up the silnylon during rain.)? Dyneema is more see-through so you have less privacy and it's brighter so I found it harder to sleep at night in far Northern mountains.? It's more brittle so beware hail.?? ? I have updated (and unweighted) my sleeping bag (to a quilt) and pad and am now tackling the bear canister, backpack, and tent to prepare for the JMT next year, I hope. ? - On the bear canister, I am planning on switching to the Bearikade Weekender or Blazer, which will shave off 8 to 10 oz from the BV500 I have
- On the backpack, I am leaning towards the GG Maripoa, which will shave 2+ pounds from my current backpack
- On the tent, I am leaning towards the Durston XMid, but would like to hear from others who have used it.? How does it do on granite?? I have always used freestanding tents and wonder how the staking would work at a place like Guitar Lake (between Crabtree Meadow and Whitney Portal).? And, how do these tents do on a windy day?
I ask because I just completed the High Sierra Trail.? We had one extremely windy night at Guitar Lake.? I staked my freestanding tent using rocks and wonder how things would work with the XMid.? I have tried, unsuccessfully, to find a YouTube video showing the tent setup on granite. Also, several of the trekking pole tents use Dyneema, which is significantly lighter -- how does Dyneema hold up long term?? Pros and cons between DCF and silnylon or silpro?
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Thank you all for your input. ?After reading reviews and watching tons of pitching videos, I have decided on the Durston XMid 2 Pro and the Bearikade Blazer. ?
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On the backpack, I am torn between two packs, both are significantly lighter than my current Gregory Deva 60.
- Gossamer Gear Mariposa, which I would end up getting based on reviews and talking with other hikers I met on the trail, and which is pricier
- OR REI Flash 55, which I can try out at REI, is less expensive, but also 11 oz heavier
Do Durston, Bearikade, or Gossamer Gear ever have discounts or sales?
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CJ
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The REI Flash 55 goes on sale Friday. 30% off.?
Kim
Thank you all for your input.? After reading reviews and watching tons of pitching videos, I have decided on the Durston XMid 2 Pro and the Bearikade Blazer. ?
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On the backpack, I am torn between two packs, both are significantly lighter than my current Gregory Deva 60.
- Gossamer Gear Mariposa, which I would end up getting based on reviews and talking with other hikers I met on the trail, and which is pricier
- OR REI Flash 55, which I can try out at REI, is less expensive, but also 11 oz heavier
Do Durston, Bearikade, or Gossamer Gear ever have discounts or sales?
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CJ
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I believe the flash has more support than the Mariposa. In my experience, unless you get your total pack weight under 25lbs including food and water, it's well worth the additional weight to have that support in the belt and frame. Either way I'd start with the REI pack.? Or order BOTH, try them at home fully loaded walking around the block a few times so as not to get them dirty, and then return one.
Ethan Gallogly
"When you see a new trail, or a footprint you do not know, follow it to the point of knowing."? - Uncheedah
On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 8:54?AM outhiking_55 via <animalfarm99= [email protected]> wrote: The REI Flash 55 goes on sale Friday. 30% off.?
Kim
Thank you all for your input.? After reading reviews and watching tons of pitching videos, I have decided on the Durston XMid 2 Pro and the Bearikade Blazer. ?
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On the backpack, I am torn between two packs, both are significantly lighter than my current Gregory Deva 60.
- Gossamer Gear Mariposa, which I would end up getting based on reviews and talking with other hikers I met on the trail, and which is pricier
- OR REI Flash 55, which I can try out at REI, is less expensive, but also 11 oz heavier
Do Durston, Bearikade, or Gossamer Gear ever have discounts or sales?
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CJ
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From Google search, gossamer gear Mariposa is on sale right now, 40% off. Looks like a previous years model, but it’s not like they change radically year to year.
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On 22 Aug 2024, at 1:36?AM, chayaj via groups.io <chayaj@...> wrote:
? Thank you all for your input. ?After reading reviews and watching tons of pitching videos, I have decided on the Durston XMid 2 Pro and the Bearikade Blazer. ?
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On the backpack, I am torn between two packs, both are significantly lighter than my current Gregory Deva 60.
- Gossamer Gear Mariposa, which I would end up getting based on reviews and talking with other hikers I met on the trail, and which is pricier
- OR REI Flash 55, which I can try out at REI, is less expensive, but also 11 oz heavier
Do Durston, Bearikade, or Gossamer Gear ever have discounts or sales?
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CJ
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PS - Durston and Bearikade never go on sale for new products, the demand is just too high at full retail price. Your best hope would be the second hand market, but there’s aren’t many there and they get snapped up quickly.
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On 22 Aug 2024, at 1:36?AM, chayaj via groups.io <chayaj@...> wrote:
? Thank you all for your input. ?After reading reviews and watching tons of pitching videos, I have decided on the Durston XMid 2 Pro and the Bearikade Blazer. ?
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On the backpack, I am torn between two packs, both are significantly lighter than my current Gregory Deva 60.
- Gossamer Gear Mariposa, which I would end up getting based on reviews and talking with other hikers I met on the trail, and which is pricier
- OR REI Flash 55, which I can try out at REI, is less expensive, but also 11 oz heavier
Do Durston, Bearikade, or Gossamer Gear ever have discounts or sales?
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CJ
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@Lange, I had seen the clearance Mariposas. ?The new Mariposa apparently has a new frame (PVT). ? I do not know too much about PVT, so if anybody does know what that does, I would love to know.
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Also, where do people advertise if they are selling Durston tents or Bearikades? ?Those do not seem to be craigslist type items.
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The REI Flash 55 at 30% off is very tempting; thanks for the heads-up. ?
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I *WISH* I could get down to 25 lbs, but that is unlikely, especially for a 7-8 day trip, which is what I am looking at, unless I want to resupply all the time. ?I was looking at the Mariposa over the ULA Circuit because the Mariposa is supposed to have better padding.
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CJ
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I had a larger Flash (65 I think) which worked well for me but I wanted something lighter.? I tried the Mariposa and found when I loaded it with about 30 pounds it felt like I was carrying a toddler with his arms around my neck - as in I was quite uncomfortable and felt strangled.? I ended up with the Zpacks archaul which I love and I carry around 35 pounds and even up to 40 comfortably. Martha ? ???Martha Gilmore, PhD, CGP (She/Her) ? ? ?Licensed Psychologist PSY10451 ? ? ? ? ? ?Certified Group Psychotherapist? ?? ? ? ?American Group Psychotherapy Association - Life Fellow ? ? ? ? ? ?1621 Oak Ave, Ste. B ? ? ? Davis, CA 95616 ? ? ? 530-757-6861 ? ? ?? ?Learn more about AGPA at National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 988 Please consider the environment before printing this email. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this e-mail or any of its attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sending individual by e-mail and permanently delete the original e-mail and attachment(s) from your computer system. Thank you for your cooperation. Please note: I try to check my emails regularly; however, I may not be able to respond to your message immediately. If you have an emergency, please call or text the crisis hotline at 988.
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@Lange, I had seen the clearance Mariposas.? The new Mariposa apparently has a new frame (PVT). ? I do not know too much about PVT, so if anybody does know what that does, I would love to know.
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Also, where do people advertise if they are selling Durston tents or Bearikades?? Those do not seem to be craigslist type items.
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The REI Flash 55 at 30% off is very tempting; thanks for the heads-up. ?
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I *WISH* I could get down to 25 lbs, but that is unlikely, especially for a 7-8 day trip, which is what I am looking at, unless I want to resupply all the time.? I was looking at the Mariposa over the ULA Circuit because the Mariposa is supposed to have better padding.
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CJ
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I've had success with the Mariposa at 36 pounds.? Half was water and food for 7 days.? The key is to put all the weight on the hip belt.? The top of the pack straps only touch the front of my shoulders. I've read great things about the Flash and my friend loves the ULA circuit.? It's a little heavier, but I agree with another emailer that a good suspension system can be worth a little heavier pack.??
Osprey packs and the Mariposa were the most prevalent packs I saw on the JMT last week.
One more thing about the Mariposa is the removable back panel.? It's an awesome feature with helpful uses.? I replaced mine with a full length foldable 1/8 pad they started selling last year.? I recommend it for laying around camp, putting it in your camp chair for warmth and under your sleeping pad for extra r-value and protection from things that can cut or puncture an inflatable pad.? ?I also add a small zpacks sitpad in the lower part of the back panel to move a significant portion of the pack off my back for airflow.
Lastly, you can rent a bearikade from the manufacturer of you don't want to buy one.
Have a blast!
Quinton
I had a larger Flash (65 I think) which worked well for me but I wanted something lighter.? I tried the Mariposa and found when I loaded it with about 30 pounds it felt like I was carrying a toddler with his arms around my neck - as in I was quite uncomfortable and felt strangled.? I ended up with the Zpacks archaul which I love and I carry around 35 pounds and even up to 40 comfortably. Martha ? ???Martha Gilmore, PhD, CGP (She/Her) ? ? ?Licensed Psychologist PSY10451 ? ? ? ? ? ?Certified Group Psychotherapist? ?? ? ? ?American Group Psychotherapy Association - Life Fellow ? ? ? ? ? ?1621 Oak Ave, Ste. B ? ? ? Davis, CA 95616 ? ? ? 530-757-6861 ? ? ?? ?Learn more about AGPA at National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 988 Please consider the environment before printing this email. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this e-mail or any of its attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sending individual by e-mail and permanently delete the original e-mail and attachment(s) from your computer system. Thank you for your cooperation. Please note: I try to check my emails regularly; however, I may not be able to respond to your message immediately. If you have an emergency, please call or text the crisis hotline at 988.
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@Lange, I had seen the clearance Mariposas.? The new Mariposa apparently has a new frame (PVT). ? I do not know too much about PVT, so if anybody does know what that does, I would love to know.
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Also, where do people advertise if they are selling Durston tents or Bearikades?? Those do not seem to be craigslist type items.
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The REI Flash 55 at 30% off is very tempting; thanks for the heads-up. ?
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I *WISH* I could get down to 25 lbs, but that is unlikely, especially for a 7-8 day trip, which is what I am looking at, unless I want to resupply all the time.? I was looking at the Mariposa over the ULA Circuit because the Mariposa is supposed to have better padding.
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CJ
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Also - you can look on Facebook for the groups "Backpacking Gear?Flea Market", "USA - Backpacking Gear Flea Market for Women", and "I need an X-Mid" Have a great trip. Martha ? ???Martha Gilmore, PhD, CGP (She/Her) ? ? ?Licensed Psychologist PSY10451 ? ? ? ? ? ?Certified Group Psychotherapist? ?? ? ? ?American Group Psychotherapy Association - Life Fellow ? ? ? ? ? ?1621 Oak Ave, Ste. B ? ? ? Davis, CA 95616 ? ? ? 530-757-6861 ? ? ?? ?Learn more about AGPA at National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 988 Please consider the environment before printing this email. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this e-mail or any of its attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sending individual by e-mail and permanently delete the original e-mail and attachment(s) from your computer system. Thank you for your cooperation. Please note: I try to check my emails regularly; however, I may not be able to respond to your message immediately. If you have an emergency, please call or text the crisis hotline at 988.
On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 5:33?PM Quinton Shaw via <quintonlshaw= [email protected]> wrote: I've had success with the Mariposa at 36 pounds.? Half was water and food for 7 days.? The key is to put all the weight on the hip belt.? The top of the pack straps only touch the front of my shoulders. I've read great things about the Flash and my friend loves the ULA circuit.? It's a little heavier, but I agree with another emailer that a good suspension system can be worth a little heavier pack.??
Osprey packs and the Mariposa were the most prevalent packs I saw on the JMT last week.
One more thing about the Mariposa is the removable back panel.? It's an awesome feature with helpful uses.? I replaced mine with a full length foldable 1/8 pad they started selling last year.? I recommend it for laying around camp, putting it in your camp chair for warmth and under your sleeping pad for extra r-value and protection from things that can cut or puncture an inflatable pad.? ?I also add a small zpacks sitpad in the lower part of the back panel to move a significant portion of the pack off my back for airflow.
Lastly, you can rent a bearikade from the manufacturer of you don't want to buy one.
Have a blast!
Quinton I had a larger Flash (65 I think) which worked well for me but I wanted something lighter.? I tried the Mariposa and found when I loaded it with about 30 pounds it felt like I was carrying a toddler with his arms around my neck - as in I was quite uncomfortable and felt strangled.? I ended up with the Zpacks archaul which I love and I carry around 35 pounds and even up to 40 comfortably. Martha ? ???Martha Gilmore, PhD, CGP (She/Her) ? ? ?Licensed Psychologist PSY10451 ? ? ? ? ? ?Certified Group Psychotherapist? ?? ? ? ?American Group Psychotherapy Association - Life Fellow ? ? ? ? ? ?1621 Oak Ave, Ste. B ? ? ? Davis, CA 95616 ? ? ? 530-757-6861 ? ? ?? ?Learn more about AGPA at National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 988 Please consider the environment before printing this email. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this e-mail or any of its attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sending individual by e-mail and permanently delete the original e-mail and attachment(s) from your computer system. Thank you for your cooperation. Please note: I try to check my emails regularly; however, I may not be able to respond to your message immediately. If you have an emergency, please call or text the crisis hotline at 988.
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@Lange, I had seen the clearance Mariposas.? The new Mariposa apparently has a new frame (PVT). ? I do not know too much about PVT, so if anybody does know what that does, I would love to know.
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Also, where do people advertise if they are selling Durston tents or Bearikades?? Those do not seem to be craigslist type items.
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The REI Flash 55 at 30% off is very tempting; thanks for the heads-up. ?
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I *WISH* I could get down to 25 lbs, but that is unlikely, especially for a 7-8 day trip, which is what I am looking at, unless I want to resupply all the time.? I was looking at the Mariposa over the ULA Circuit because the Mariposa is supposed to have better padding.
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There is a Facebook group called "I Need an Xmid!" which, presumably, is a used Xmid marketplace. I haven't joined (as I HAVE an Xmid!) but worth a look.
I think I recall hearing about the PVT harness. If I understand correctly, the frame attachment to the belt is supposed to allow the pack to "pivot" a bit to better match a normal walking gait.
I heard a review of this frame system (which I think is new to GG, but has some older roots), can't recall by whom unfortunately, and I think the result was that it felt a little strange at first but was comfortable, but couldn't tell if it was really a big improvement on a standard frame. Anyway, I guess something to consider in terms of a 40% discount on the previous frame style.
On Thursday 22 August 2024 at 09:04:38 am AEST, chayaj via groups.io <chayaj@...> wrote:
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@Lange, I had seen the clearance Mariposas. ?The new Mariposa apparently has a new frame (PVT). ? I do not know too much about PVT, so if anybody does know what that does, I would love to know.
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Also, where do people advertise if they are selling Durston tents or Bearikades? ?Those do not seem to be craigslist type items.
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The REI Flash 55 at 30% off is very tempting; thanks for the heads-up. ?
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I *WISH* I could get down to 25 lbs, but that is unlikely, especially for a 7-8 day trip, which is what I am looking at, unless I want to resupply all the time. ?I was looking at the Mariposa over the ULA Circuit because the Mariposa is supposed to have better padding.
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